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computer magick

 
 
odd jest on horn
10:56 / 08.03.02
has anyone tried casting by writing a program and executing it?

i'm thinking that it should be possible somehow, but i can't quite grasp how. i'm not talking about writing a program that automagically changes a wording into a sigil or anything like that. though that would be cool too. hmmm nice idea for a project

i'm talking about the program being the sigil and the act of programming being the sigilization somehow.

has anyone tried anything remotely like that?
 
 
ciarconn
12:36 / 08.03.02
I do have sigils saved in bmp format. I keep them in certain files in the computers I use, for security of the computer, and sometimes for "powering up" searches or hackings. I also try to keep the wallpaper motive/icon related to the archetype i'm working with.
Basically, it's focusing my attention.
I had given some thought to the idea of a running program, but I am an old bastard who barely learned Basic 20 years ago, so I haven't tried.
 
 
odd jest on horn
12:52 / 08.03.02
but you have given it some thought, though. i'd love to hear your ruminatios.

for me it's mainly a very vague idea, that stems from playing mage:the ascension as a teenager. and the fact that the hacker and magician archetypes are almost the same. also wishful thinking on my part as i'm a much better programmer than magician. also i think the state of mind i get in when hacking sometimes is a very magickal state of mind, and i want to put that to some use other than writing good programs.

it also stems a bit from the fact that the tree of life looks a bit like an UML diagram

i don't what my take on it would be. possibly writing a bunch of classes and connecting them together in some mystical way. but what would the classes represent? and could you write once, run many times or would the writing of the program be the magickal act? maybe the program should rewrite itself when run so that it couldn't be reused, or something. it might get some energy from that sacrifice of work, possibly.

on sigils as bmp. has anyone tried converting that to wav and listening to it? or putting it through metasynth? or making each character of the original request that got turned into the sigil represent a number, then use that as a seed for a random algorithm that displays a pretty picture?

last paragraph has nothing to do with my original idea, actually. but computers are great for this stuff.

other ideas?
 
 
ciarconn
13:34 / 08.03.02
I played Mage too (I had an akashic brother), but the idea of cyber/technomagic was tempting.

"it also stems a bit from the fact that the tree of life looks a bit like an UML diagram"

As a matter of fact, I have always seen the tree of life as a flux/flow diagram (do not know what's the right word in english)

"i don't what my take on it would be. possibly writing a bunch of classes and connecting them together in some mystical way. but what would the classes represent?"

the process you would have to go through to achieve what you want. Step by step.

"...and could you write once, run many times or would the writing of the program be the magickal act?

Both. There's magic in the creation of the sigil, and magic in charging it. On the running it repeatedly, I feel that there should be some sensorial sign that it's being run, so the inconscious mind can be "aware" and focus it's intent on the "spell"

"on sigils as bmp. has anyone tried converting that to wav and listening to it?
or putting it through metasynth? or making each character of the original request that got turned into the sigil represent a number, then use that as a seed for a random algorithm that displays a pretty picture? "

I had thought about traducing a sigil into an algebraic equation, but had not any idea of what to do with it (perhaps the cyclical repetiotion, like a cybermantra?). I like the idea of traducing a sigil into a sound form, perhaps add it into some repetitive music (barroque, tribal, dance) in an subliminalk way, to send the message directly to the brain. Maybe even have other people charging the sigil, too.

(Hey, we had a project of a hypersigil urban legend, and it just fizzled out. Anybody else remember?)

Sounds like we have somenthing good here.
Let's work
Imagine the mango sigil as a screensaver, or it dancing in the base of your windows OS...
 
 
ciarconn
15:34 / 08.03.02
Another thing concerning cybermagick has been nagging on my ming.
I do not know if you all have read The Disciples, an Image comic. It's about magick.
On the last issue, a chaos magickian uses a sigil to penetrate a firewall. And he uses a Needleball on his hand to reach gnosis.}Anybody know how much of this is real/feasible?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
17:11 / 08.03.02
quote:Originally posted by ciarconn:
"it also stems a bit from the fact that the tree of life looks a bit like an UML diagram"

As a matter of fact, I have always seen the tree of life as a flux/flow diagram (do not know what's the right word in english)


can you guys elaborate on this? i'm not familiar with the tech schematics yr talking about and i'd love to see examples and images.

the sephiroth does seem incredibly hi-tech at times, and magick as programming these days is just completely natural. one thing that i've wondered about -- cybermagick and technomagick both seem like really dated terms, very 90s, and i'm wondering if anyone has ideas for new names + concepts for this systemic synthesis?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
19:26 / 08.03.02
Here comes fenris butting in on odd jest on horn and Mystery Gypt's game. hi guys.

A Flow chart is a picture that flows from one stem of function in a program to the next so that humans can understand easier. The only flow diagram i use is the tree of life.

As for a gematria output from a soi being a random seed... it could work but I wouldn't use that as encryption not random enough.

Heres one thing that you could do... take your Statement of intent encrypt it using pgp or sumthin and meditate on/charge that.

I wouldn't change the name mystery, then no one would no what you were talking about.
 
 
Trijhaos
19:32 / 08.03.02
What about writing a program that would take your statement of intent and break it down into a mantra? You could then run that mantra through one of those text-to-voice programs on auto-loop and let it play while you sleep. The statement of intent would embed itself in your subconcious and you wouldn't have to repeat it to yourself all day.

Changing the name probably wouldn't be a good idea. When someone refers to "technomagick" I know what they're talking about. If you were to starting refering to by something along the lines of say...."Generdek Magick" I'd look at you like you were from another planet and say "huh"?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:43 / 08.03.02
I've seen one or two progs out there that turn a statement of intent into a sigil or a mantra, including one which used a letter grid to render your intent into a 3-D revolving sigil (sweet!), but I don't have the links anymore. Maybe someone else knows where these sites are hiding?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:47 / 08.03.02
Stop press! Some goodies on computer magick righthere.
 
 
odd jest on horn
20:09 / 08.03.02
for MG:

UML graphs

i usually only use class diagrams.
class diagrams describe how objects
(code that has some associated data and methods to work with that data)
access other objects
(use the methods of the other objects and/or have the other objects as their data )
or inherit from other objects
(work the same way as the other object, but add a bit of their own methods or data)

the tree of life mostly resembles a state diagram, i haven't really formed a clear conception, but there's something there that's tugging at me.

funny. the icelandic word for computer is tölva. it's a pun on völva which were the witches in nordic mythology.
tækni völva (technological witch) = tölva.

quote:the process you would have to go through to achieve what you want. Step by step.

that sounds more like a play to me. so very linear. maybe it should have a user interface. it should at least take some variable input, so it's actually a program and not a movie script. goat this is conceptually hard!

or maybe it's okay if it's linear if the potential is there. ie in an object oriented language, the objects would have most of the functions they have in real life, but you'd maybe only use a few of them in your executable. but that runs counter to good design.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
23:51 / 08.03.02
I've got a neat one.

Take a circuit design course/book. Draw a sigil out of logic Gates. Buy the circuit components at a hobby/electronics store. Assemble and add power.

Equate the energy pattern the ciruit makes with the magical effect. Consider it a task specific pentacle.

every time you activate the circuit you are pushing for the effect. Sorcery compared to your programming magick.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
00:46 / 09.03.02
... and, as everyone knows, IBM stands for Interface Based Magick.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
01:22 / 10.03.02
If I could remember anything about UNIX, maybe I could tell you for sure if this applies or not:

pshift - The Paradigm Shift Utility
The pshift operator performs a paradigm shift on its input stream within the context of the current or specified zeitgeist.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
05:56 / 10.03.02
quote: On the last issue, a chaos magickian uses a sigil to penetrate a firewall. And he uses a Needleball on his hand to reach gnosis.}Anybody know how much of this is real/feasible? - ciarconn

Pretty feasible. All you have to do is ask how much voltage fluctuation do you need to crash a computer? And Pain/Gnosis is great at disruption.

Mordant Carnival: yes trap14's page should be required reading for any discussion on techno/cyber/magic/K
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:31 / 10.03.02
quote:Originally posted by fenris23:
Draw a sigil out of logic Gates. Buy the circuit components at a hobby/electronics store. Assemble and add power.


That's a neat idea. Another trick might be to arrange LEDs in a sigil and power them up, or use a PIC to spell out a mantra on a seven segment display... hmmm....
 
 
Zebbin
11:20 / 10.03.02
www.sigil.co.nz/

i found this on a search looking for "sigil software" on google.. mostly divination tools. im downloading one of the tarot programs right now, but there's also something called "Invocation Temple Program" that looks kind of interesting. I get an error message when try to run it. From the readme I don't think I have the system requirments anyway. oh well. someone try it and tell what you think.
 
 
Naked Flame
17:52 / 10.03.02
I love the idea of programming a mantra, either in sonic or purely electronic form. Think of a mantra that runs at 1Ghz... something about that is deeply appealing.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
20:57 / 11.03.02
I downloaded the programs.
The interface for the temple program is painfully awkward. Good idea, makes me want to learn vrml so that I can make a good version.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
09:27 / 12.03.02
Go download all the agent stuff and then turn your sigil into a mantra and then get the troll to read it on the www.sigil.co.nz page.

neat-o!
 
 
Trijhaos
09:32 / 12.03.02
Where the hell is the temple? Now I may be mistaken in my views of temples, but shouldn't temples have...well...walls and maybe a ceiling? I have this floating purple thing and stars...not a temple
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
20:47 / 12.03.02
Has anyone tried Klatha Spellcaster??

Grooooovvvvy.....

(PS Thanks to May Tricks for this one)
 
  
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