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To TEFL or not to TEFL?

 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
09:27 / 07.03.06
So I'm formulating master plans, as one does, and one aspect thereof concerns doing some kind of English language teaching course. I'm hoping, once I've secured my EU passport (hopefully in the next 9 months) to try a stint somewhere non-English speaking, with a view to supporting myself by teaching English.

Thing is, I hear so many many conflicting opinions on TEFL courses that I thought I would seek the wisdom and experiences of Barbelith. So, the questions:
Has anyone done TEFL or some kind of equivalent?

If so, what did you think? Was it good/worthwhile or completely useless? Have you secured work through it?

If you have thought about it but not done a course, why did you decide against it?

How in the name of spork do you decide between the millions of courses on offer which seem to vary in price from a few hundred to a couple of thousand squids?

Finally, if you are in London or have been London-based, I'd welcome recommendations/screaming warnings about any courses you have knowledge of.

And I'm genuinely interested to hear about the experiences of anyone who has taught English as a foreign language and would like to share.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
09:53 / 07.03.06
Tabitha - I've know personal experience of TEFL, but apparently South Korea doesn't require any special qualification for TEFLing. As far as I recall, all you need is a basic degree - friends of mine with BA's and BSc's have done it and thoroughly enjoyed the experience, so it may be an option, to test the water, so to speak.
 
 
Smoothly
09:57 / 07.03.06
Where were you thinking of teaching, Tabitha? A friend of mine is teaching English in Madrid. He didn’t do any kind of TEFL or similar and it doesn’t seem to have been an impediment to getting work. I don’t think you even need a degree. He says there is such a shortage of English teachers (in Spain at least) that speaking some English seems to be the only required qualification.
 
 
Loomis
09:58 / 07.03.06
Likewise in China. A friend of mine spent a year or more teaching in China without a TEFL qualification. Said it was hard work with long hours and back to back classes, but she loved it.
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
10:08 / 07.03.06
I did a bit of TEFL in Romania (only a summer) and had zero qualifications at the time (I was an under-grad). A good friend of mine is having an amazing time out in Japan, and she just had a basic English degree. I think if you're not sure what TEFL work actually involves (i.e. you have no experience of a) standing up in front of a room and explaining something and b) working abroad) then a bit of research over at Dave's ESL Cafe will give you an idea of what it's all about (as well as a heap of resources). But overall, most companies are looking for native English speakers with good degrees (I know a geography grad who got a role in Korea, and he had a 2:2). The interview procedure for a lot of the companies is quite tough, and there are a fair few scam artists out there who will take cash off you and then dump you in Japan/Korea/Laos with almost zero support, so be careful and do your research.
 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
10:09 / 07.03.06
I'm thinking in the first instance of somewhere in Europe - bit of a dipping the toes in kind of approach. Ideally, it would be Germany, but the level of English spoken by so many Germans (both abroad, and when I have visited Germany) is so good that I felt I would be best to have some kind of qualification for teaching.

May sound like an odd approach but beyond Germany (and Berlin in particular) I'd be happy to give most European countries a try. The aim then is to move on towards a prolonged stint in South America, teaching and travelling throught different countries. And then, getting seriously longterm in a way which is truly beyond the scope of planning, teaching in Asia as I wend my way in many years' time back towards Australia.

I have a BA (English/Journalism with post grad hons in English), I've been working as a journalist/sub editor/editor and general all-round writer for years but I have exactly zip experience in teaching.

Interesting to hear of these places where additional qualifications are not required - do people know if the friends mentioned secured these positions before travelling to the countries in question? Were they given assistance/training of any kind to start teaching, or just expected to pick it up and run with it?
 
 
Happy Dave Has Left
11:54 / 07.03.06
Most of the places mentioned have bases in the UK, JET (for Japan) is the most famous one. To be honest, I think your approach will be a difficult one and cost you a lot of money and time. My instinct would be to go for somewhere like Korea or Japan, make some money doing it (the wages vs cost of living in Korea is apparently very favourable) and gain a whole heap of experience, then come back and start looking either within Europe or at South America. It would be tough, but the alternative is that you send a bunch of money on a TEFL course that won't necessarily get you anywhere without experience. If you fancy talking to a couple of my friends who are out in Japan at the moment, PM me and I can get them in touch with you.

By the way, I really want to do your job, if you fancy giving me a few tips on how to get into your line of work, I'd be very appreciative!
 
 
Cherielabombe
18:30 / 07.03.06
Hello my darling! I am the TEFL expert you have been waiting for! I've been doing TEFL for 4 years. I've got a TEFL certificate, a CELTA, and I was just awarded a DELTA (the qualification above a CELTA and only for TEFL 'lifers'). I myself have only taught in England but I've got friends and former colleagues who've either taught or are teaching at various locales all over the globe so I can help you out!

1. The type of qualification you get depends on where you want to teach. It is definitely true that to teach in Japan, Korea, or China you don't need an ELT certificate. In fact some companies like Nova and JET (both reputable companies) prefer that you don't have any teaching qualification as they like to "grow their own" TEFL teachers.

In Europe, generally you need at least some sort of TEFL certificate and often a CELTA. In fact, I would be wary of any European school that says you DON'T need any qualifications to teach. These would be the less reputable schools and I would be worried about what the other staff were like, would I actually get paid or could the owners cut and run (believe me it happens with 'shady' language schools), etc.

To teach in Germany, you will almost certainly need a CELTA. Personally this is the qualification I recommend to you. The CELTA is recognized worldwide, and you will have a lot more options available to you if you have one, as many schools won't even consider candidates without it. And you will certainly still be able to get a job in an Asian country if you decide to fuck off to Japan, for example.

Any school that offers training for the CELTA (RSA CELTA) in particular will be a trustworthy school, because the CELTA training program is run through the University of Cambridtge and all the training centres are checked and basically accredited by them. Just make sure that they are actually training you for the CELTA. You can also do the Trinity College certificate in ESOL as it is considered equivalent to the CELTA (CELTA is still more widely recognized, though).

Now, the next question is, do you want to make decent money doing TEFL? If you want to make some serious money (for TEFL), go to Japan or Korea. You'll be able to have a decent living doing TEFL in most of South America or Europe but not great. And, having been working in England for the past four years, I gotta tell you the pay in London for TEFL teachers can only be described as abysmal. I've moved up the pay scale slightly due to seniority and promotions but I still don't make a great wage. So be careful if you come here.

But most TEFL teachers aren't in it for the money. Personally I love it and find it interesting and creative and intellectually fulfilling. I just wish that people gave us "serious EFL teachers" a little more respect for the job we do. That said, there are plenty of teachers doing it for the beer money.

If you have any other questions feel free to PM me..

Whew!
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:35 / 07.03.06
Talking from personal experience, TEFL is great, but it works better in small classes (up to six students) and giving more emphasis to conversation than simple grammar. In fact, a one-on-one tutoring is the idea way to go (that's how I learned English - and now I complement my income working as a translator), and you'll probably make more money this way.

Of course, Cherie la bombe can confirm or deny such statement with much more credibility, being a professional and all
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:43 / 07.03.06
I've got a TEFL certificate, a CELTA, and I was just awarded a DELTA (the qualification above a CELTA and only for TEFL 'lifers').

If the CELTA is followed by the DELTA, what comes next? A EELTA? Or maybe even a FELTA? And before that there's the BELTA?

Sorry for the lame joke, it was just too easy to resist.
 
 
Cherielabombe
19:36 / 07.03.06
In many countries teachers supplement their income by doing 1 to 1 lessons. I think they're a bit more work but that's why you get paid more for them!

Personally I like a class of about 12 people - then you can arrange the class into pairs, groups of 3 or 4, or divide the class into two - which is good when you want a wide variety of interaction.

Oh, and the Masters is after the DELTA (the DELTA qualifies as part of a masters in Applied Linguistics), btw.
 
 
Orange
22:04 / 07.03.06
I am currently teaching English to refugees, with no qualifications whatsoever. I just kind of do my best and make it up as I go along; it's pretty sweet in a ridiculously hard kind of way. I'm also interested in a possible travel-and-teach-English kind of plan for the future, though it's in the earlier stages and far vaguer than TT's plans. So I am absolutely paying attention here and tucking away for future reference, thanks all.

That said, there are plenty of teachers doing it for the beer money.

I've definitely already met a couple of those . . .
 
 
Tabitha Tickletooth
08:49 / 08.03.06
As always, you guys rock. So much helpful information!

Cherie - you've convinced me I want to do CELTA. To be honest, I've always been a bit of a study junkie and part of me wants to do 'the best' qualification I can possibly can. Interestingly, I did some Trinity College speech examinations when I was in high school (tragic public speaking/debating type child), so I might look into what they were actually for. I'm in London: any recommendations on institutions which are considered reputable would be immensely valuable.

As to the money front, I'm not really looking to make money so much as not lose money teaching. Ideally, I'd like to live in some different places, teach while I was there and earn enough money to live, then move on to somewhere else. If the plan goes as intended - which obviously it won't - I will have some funds for the travelling and the transitions, so I'll be looking for subsistence and maybe a spot of beer money.

I may well pm you for some nitty gritties - thanks for the offer. I have to confess to being a bit surprised that there wasn't previously a thread about this subject. It's something that many people I know discuss doing and yet seems quite confusing when you start looking into it.

Orange - what you are doing sounds really interesting. Where in the world are you doing this? Because I have no experience as a teacher, I've been thinking that after training and qualification, I would like to volunteer for something like what you're doing to gain some experience and to help people out. I'd be interested in hearing how you got into this.

Happy Dave - thanks to you also for some very interesting info. I take on board your suggestion about trying Japan or Korea first, but I'm not sure it would be right for me. I don't mind spending some money on a TEFL/CELTA course and I have some time to kill this year while I wait for my British citizenship to come through/have tea with Prince/swear oath of loyalty to beloved monarch *insert hairball sound here*.

Cheers to everyone for being so helpful - your input is spurring me on to get my butt into gear and get started. It's very exciting (even just the idea of taking the course - sad, I know)!
 
  
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