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It rained aliens over India

 
 
eye landed
01:54 / 05.03.06
the issue is still in ignore-the-media-friendly-nut mode...will this come to anything?

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1723913,00.html

http://education.vsnl.com/godfrey/
 
 
eye landed
01:56 / 05.03.06
oops, forgot this board doesnt autohyperlink.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1723913,00.html

http://education.vsnl.com/godfrey/
 
 
T Blixius
05:50 / 05.03.06
I'm a big, big fan of the life from comets theory, but I always try to err on the skeptical side because of all the pseudo-science and crankery out there.

However, this is quite intriguing. Thanks for drawing attention to it.

I predict it'll be hushed up.
 
 
Axolotl
11:34 / 05.03.06
Well interestingly enough I was reading in the paper today results from NASA's recent comet probe has found evidence of certain complex carbon compounds, which may back up the theory. Still as you say, it's a field that is full of pseudo-science quackery and I've vowed never to take science in newspapers at face value.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:43 / 05.03.06
I was reading up on this the other day after seeing it in Newscientist. I so want these red particles to be alien life. The thing is without any form of DNA it's going to be hard to convice a lot of people. Does any body know if these things reproduce?



The bottom one on the left looks like it's about to divide.
 
 
break
20:31 / 05.03.06
In the latest New Scientist, the person looking at this does claim that the paricles are able to divide at 300 C, although this info was not in the published paper because the guy thought it was 'too extraoridnary.' Nonetheless, there is also a strong similarity between these paricles and red blood cells. Under Occam's Razor I feel it is safest to assume, barring further study, that they are simply blood cells.

In a related note, people may be interesty in the paper "Life as a Manifestation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics" by E.D. Schneider and J.J. Kay, published in Mathematical Computation Modeling (I think that's what the abbreviation stands for), Vol. 19, No.6-8, pp 25-48, 1994.
 
 
Baobab Branches and Plastic
13:18 / 06.03.06
So erm. It rained blood? Man the religious nuts are going to have a field day with this one (and Slayer fans too)
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:31 / 06.03.06
How does it rain blood? And blood cells still have DNA, so it can't be that either. I'm sticking to a rudimentary form of life.
 
 
tom-karika nukes it from orbit
17:18 / 06.03.06
I'd be skeptical on the basis that a comet entering the atmosphere reaches very high temperatures, and so would cook any cellular structure that happened to be onboard.

Its already noted that these cells seem to divide at 300?, so how could they fall to earth undivided?

Previous cell-like structures observed on comets have all been fossilised, not actual cells.
 
 
quixote
03:26 / 07.03.06
(Some red blood cells have DNA, for instance, those of birds or frogs. Mammals, including humans, have red blood cells without nuclei, so they have very little DNA, just a bit in the mitochondria. Red blood cells of any kind are very sensitive to desiccation and wouldn't survive a trip through the atmosphere.)

Particle composition is 45% oxygen (!!), mentioned in The Observer article. That is so high, it ought to lead to spontaneous combustion if this is a biological object and not a mineral (where the oxygen is bound differently). 35% is high enough for that.

The original article (pdf) says the particles look glass-like, layered, and did not decompose after storage in water for 4 years at room temperature. In Kerala. Sounds like an interesting form of sand to me. The pictures show particles with a very thick outer layer, like a mineral accretion, and quite unlike any biological membrane or coat I've ever seen in over thirty years of messing about with biology.

The composition is Carbon: 49%, oxygen:45% (see above!), and traces of sodium, aluminum, silicon, chlorine, and iron. Where's the hydrogen? And the nitrogen? Living things are primarily composed of CHON. He's got a long way to go to make this plausible as living, to say nothing of proving it.

The authors say that the particles don't look like "the usual desert dust" that blows in from Arabia. They certainly don't look usual, but the evidence suggests that they're mineral, unusual or otherwise.

Possibly the connection with the meteor that the authors mention is that the hot meteor glassified dust grains in the atmosphere as it passed. Once these eventually settled out during rain storms, they formed this very unusual rain. One signature of meteor strikes is shocked and glassified quartz grains, some of which can be like microscopic beads.

Overall verdict: I can't belieeeeeve this was accepted for publication anywhere. It's not even internally consistent.
 
 
sn00p
07:44 / 11.03.06
Mammalian red blood cells don't have mitochondria either, they do some kind of fermentation i think. So i don;t think they have any DNA.
 
 
sn00p
07:45 / 11.03.06
Mammalian red blood cells don't have mitochondria either, they do some kind of fermentation i think. So i don;t think they have any DNA.
 
 
sn00p
07:45 / 11.03.06
Mammalian red blood cells don't have mitochondria either, they do some kind of fermentation i think. So i don;t think they have any DNA.
 
 
quixote
20:48 / 11.03.06
right you are, sn00p. I've managed to get through life as a biologist without knowing that. (insert embarrassed icon here)

Nonetheless, it doesn't really change the gist of what I was saying.
 
 
KING FELIX
23:04 / 13.03.06
Anyone remember the oddly prophetic Steve Martin movie Bowfinger and the chubby rain therein?
 
  
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