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Spider Totem

 
 
sn00p
16:56 / 04.03.06
I feel i have a very strong relationship with "the spider". I have a strong phobia of them, i have crazy dreams about them and i seem to see them everywhere i go.

To me it seems that this animal must be my totem, but im not really sure what to do about it. I was thinking of getting a tattoo, having hypnotic phobia therapy and trying to talk to them in some kind of standard evocation method- although im not very good at that.

So does anybody have any idea's on how to deal with totem's?
 
 
delacroix
18:10 / 04.03.06
I have had a similar relationship with Spider (Spiderness?) all my life. I started seeing the relationship as totemic when encouraged to do so by a local, you know, New Agey guy.
Not sure that was necessary though--I mean, a nightmare isn't really a nice way to communicate with somebody if you want to be that person's familiar, is it?

It was spider in my nightmares too, but then Raven started coming into my dreams as well, but in a different way: Raven was actually an invited presence, kind of mysterious and fun, whereas Spider remained generally creepy, even when I tried to think of it in terms of "creative energy" or "home-making energy," or some Medicine Card-ish smegma like that.

When I was an adolescent, I kept a journal of everything--I kept it neurotically--and I associated this with my spider totem. I had a digital journal and a couple written journals. One night, I had my journals with me, and I was walking with friends in a graveyard at night, while the others fell to talking, I envisioned killing and dismembering a giant spider; then I envisioned a hundred spiders all over me; then an unkindness of ravens swooped in, there was a war. The birds won.

"Are you all right?" people were asking me, because I was twitching as I do when my imagination takes me away from human things.

At some point I guess I set my journals down in the graveyard, and when I went back for them the next morning, they were gone.

I went home and my hard drive had crashed, or melted or something. So nothing I'd written was... in this world anymore, I had to assume.

I let it go, it just seemed odd and magical and cool, I suppose (although when magic becomes real it ceases to be very alluring, doesn't it?)

One night I went out in the woods and told Raven I appreciated his help and having him be my totem, but I had to go back to being with Spider. Raven asked me if I was sure, and I said I was, unfortunately, you know, we are what we are, and all that. So he flew away.

Some kids found my journals in the graveyard, recognized one of the names in them, and through channels they found their way back to me.

Sorry to be so long-winded.


Spider dreams are common, arachnaphobia is common, but I've never heard anybody say something as similar to my own experience of spiders as this post I'm replying to... maybe talk to it? To the spider you keep seeing? Some automatic writing, if you're into that? Just scribble on Spider's behalf maybe, like that guy did who wrote Conversations with God--CwD is a silly book, but the process seemed to work for him...
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
19:31 / 05.03.06
spiders, mmmmm.

weavers, don't you know. patient. lots of eyes. mate for life (pity for the males in many cases).

in Polynesian mythology, the spider is the creator-trickster god.

In West African tales, Spider Ananse (sp?), is a folk hero trickster character, and has a number of tales attributed to him.

In my own world, I spent a night in a room with but a tiny candle, and for three hours, a giant spider spoke with me. The spider was giant, its web spread overtop of the Milky Way. The spider had tiny mirrors attached to the end of threads, which it lowered into the mass of the galaxy.

i have been creeped out by spiders for a good deal of my life, until I let them have a windowsill in my apartment. I got over the creepiness.

not sure about the mirrors tho.

--not jack
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
19:33 / 05.03.06
in answer to your question:

observe the spiders in and around where you live (from a comfortable distance).

read up on their mythological/totemic/traditional associations - the weaving thing seems key.

--not jack
 
 
illmatic
21:06 / 05.03.06
Why not read up on the zoological literature as well? I mean, books about spiders have got to be pretty fucking interesting right?

The best book I have read on the subject of working magically with animal forms is Gordon Maclellan's Sacred Animals (pub. Capall Bann). Great book and well worth reading.

I wouldn't be too quick to assume some animal is your "totem" either, without thinking long and hard about what that concept means to you - as a starting point ask yourself why on Earth would "it" want to communciate with you anyway?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:00 / 06.03.06
If you are interested in exploring your relationship with spiders, then follow the advice above. Observe them. Read up on them. Draw pictures of them. Try to speak to them. Make a spider altar to honour them.

As pointed out above, I wouldn't decide that they are your "totem" without first understanding what that might mean. I certainly wouldn't rush into getting a spider tattoo on my skin for the rest of my life, based on no real contact beyond a phobia and a vague sense of affinity. Suss out what's going on. Get to grips with the relationship. Work out whether its for you. Getting a magical tattoo should not really be a person's first step in exploring something. Don't be so eager to brand yourself for life before you've even had a first date.
 
 
Wyrd
13:12 / 06.03.06
I know a number of people who have spider phobias and as a result spiders seem to be attracted to them.

This does not mean that Spider is your totem (and that has become a very muddied term, so I'm not precisely sure what you mean by that).

Spider is a fantastic ally, and is rather selective about those with whom she'll work. Maybe she just has one lesson to teach you, and then she'll depart from your life. Perhaps she'll be around for longer, or maybe forever.

Best thing to do is to open a dialogue with her. You can do it via writing, meditation, drawing, etc. Research and observation are great (as has been suggested). Find out if she has something to teach you. Maybe she she just likes you.

Perhaps you could ask a question of one of the Internet's search engines for a quick and dirty answer.

Spider weaves. She makes links and networks. She hears everything. There is no place that her agents cannot go.

She's not the most "fun" ally, but she'll teach you a lot. Poisons are her speciality.
 
 
sn00p
17:12 / 06.03.06
Ah i get ya,
i think ill just try and have a chat with her.

Thanks everybody.
 
 
Grey Cell
19:25 / 07.03.06
There's really nothing like sitting in a quiet spot and just watch a spider weaving its web.

I noticed quite a lot of spider-related synchronicities is my life the past couple of years, though it seems to have diminished again lately. Lots of spider-related dreams too, many of which were rather distressing — not that the spiders were ever hostile, there was just something uncanny about those dreams in general. (The catch, for me, was: how do you start a conversation with an arachnid the size of a small couch that's quietly staring at you from the other side of a slightly-too-sunny street? I've never been much of a talker, anyway...)

Doing some research definitely gave me a lot more appreciation for arachnids — they are pretty fucking interesting creatures — and the insights I gained from that definitely helped me along with other matters (artistically, socially, and insofar as I'm actively engaged in it, magically). Any spider that takes up residence in my place is more than welcome to stay for as long as it likes. We still don't talk much though.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:49 / 07.03.06
There's really nothing like sitting in a quiet spot and just watch a spider weaving its web.

This may be a bit threadrot, but I got an interesting story about spiders an web-weaving

Long, long ago (70s) some scientists made an experiment to see if commonly used drugs were for real or if the placebo effect was the main point.

To do so, they injected with a serynge several different drugs in spiders of a given species - plus one that got nothing, for control - and watched them weave their webs

The drugs were: cocaine, nicotine, caffeine, THC, alcohol, and LSD. Those were the results:

The "control spiders" made a normal web: somewhat octogonal shape, with a small flaws, here and there.

The "cocaine spider" made a normal web, except she took half the time to do it, but there were a lot more flaws (I'm betting the spider thought she was doing one great web, the best of her life, though)

The "caffeine spider" web started perfectly normal, but about half way through, the spider lost her patience and just made a improvised, messed-up patch in the other half and gave it all up.

The "THC spider" made a complete mess. I mean, talking abut sloppy work...

The "niccotine spider" was the weirdest: herweb made no sense. Instead of the ocotogonal shape, she drew a serpentine-ladder shape in the middle of the web that made no sense at all. Go figure.

The "alcohol spider" didn't even bother to start. In fact, if I remember well, she died.

The "LSD spider" was the best: she made an absolutely perfect web, much, much better than the control spider. I mean: no flaws, and absolutely proportional octogonal shape. I kid you not


Tha little experiment had to consequences:
1 - it proved spiders are a lot more smart than the average bug, and can experience altered (hightened, diminished, and otherwise deviant) levels of conscience, just like us mammals
2- I decided to study biology

I read about that experiment decades ago in a book, and I have no links or pics to prove what I'm saying (too bad, the pics were the coolest), so feel free not to believe me. But it's a good story anyway, ain't it?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:41 / 07.03.06
Here ya go.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:51 / 07.03.06
Yeah, something like that, but the LSD-web pic I remember was much more amazing than this. Abnormally perfect. Thanks, Mordy
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
23:19 / 07.03.06
Spiders, huh? I wouldn't know anything about that, I suppose...

Ahem. To add to what others above have said: Spiders are tricky. They’re clever, highly intelligent, and can be horrifically dangerous. They create works of art. They are exceptionally tactical thinkers. They're vampiric in nature. Totemicly they are often associated with story tellers and artists, tricksters, time travelers, and trappers.

I've been connected to spiders for as long as I can remember, and yes, as Gypsy called it upthread, I have been branded with the spider- a design I created myself, actually. Virtually all magical work I do that doesn't involve deities is done with spiders. Spiders generally work alone- colony spiders may live together, but they certainly don't function like a bee hive or an ant farm.

All spiders are predatory.

Spiders are some of the most interesting creatures on the planet. Also some of the scariest. Pictures of spiders often make me uncomfortable, and I like the bastards! I often get angry when people kill spiders in front of me, much more so than when you swat a fly or a moth. Any spider who chooses to live with me or crawl on me (though that rarely happens) is free to do so.

As with what others have said here, I'd definitely start talking with her before you do anything rash. I'm not saying she's necessarily not to be trusted, but she does work for herself and her goals always.
 
 
grant
18:01 / 08.03.06
An old Temple thread on Spiders.

I loves me some Spider.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
20:58 / 08.03.06
Grant, I remember an earlier thread on spiders, but for some reason I think it was a different one. I don't know. I'll have to look for it later.
 
 
iamus
12:11 / 09.03.06
I think you're thinking of this thread of mine, Spyder. There was some really interesting stuff posted there.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
14:28 / 09.03.06
That's the one! There's a lot of excellent info there for you, sn00p. And isn't it interesting that whenever I come back to the temple forum after an extended period without it, there seems to be a spider-themed thread at the very top?
 
  
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