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'Overspecialised'

 
 
Ganesh
02:28 / 03.03.06
So... one of the reasons I'm regularly awake in the wee sma' hours this week is a bit of a work-related dilemma. It's quite a nice dilemma, as dilemmas go, but I'm thinking posting about it here might usefully a) give me an opportunity to formally set out the pros and cons for my own benefit, b) prompt discussion of the whole concept of 'overspecialisation', and c) bore myself to sleep.

Regular readers will be aware that, in the almost-decade or so I've been posting on Barbelith, I've climbed the greasy pole of psychiatry and am now, if not exactly perched upon its tip, decorously straddling its upper reaches. Continuous professional development (CPD) aside, I've sat my last exam and have no more hoops to jump through unless I feel a particular desire for further hoop-jumping. Being something of a lazy person, I'm quite happy to sit back and take a breather - for a while, anyway.

My original plan was to manoevre myself into the position of doing a general adult psychiatric job most of the week with a day or two of more esoteric stuff ie. technically two separate part-time posts running in parallel. Over the last couple of years I've managed to put this in place, at least on a locum basis, and now I'm being invited to apply for the same posts, but in a permanent capacity.

Job A: General adult psychiatric work in a London-based community mental health team but including an in-patient ward and home visits. On-call rota. Mixed, bread-and-butter stuff: high-stress, lots of responsibility, lots of paperwork. Main plus is the excellent out-patient team (I've always preferred working alongside non-medical colleagues), good social life, and lots of contact with medical peers (academic meetings, journal clubs, etc.).

Job B: More esoteric niche psychiatry, originally intended as both relief from and 'spice' to Job A. Entirely out-patient based, in a tertiary service (ie. if patients voice more general psychiatric issues, they can be directed back to a general psychiatrist). No in-patient responsibility, no home visits, no on-call. No multidisciplinary team: I'm basically working alongside medical colleagues rather than nurses, social workers, etc. Little work-related social life and fairly minimal contact with peers - although future potential for meeting fellows via conferences, etc. Lots of paperwork, but more standardised (ie. out-patient assessments).

A quirk of timing has meant that I've had to temporarily give up Job A for a couple of months, while it's advertised as a permanent position; I've been strongly encouraged to apply, with the whole team backing me. This was indeed my plan. In the meantime, the more specialist Job B has taken me on full time. This was understood to be a short-term situation until I applied for Job A, then returned to a more balanced splicing of the two.

Aaanyway, I was a little anxious about doing Job B all the time, even for a short period. I'd always considered it a little piece of psychiatric exotica adding flavour to the more general stuff - and reckoned I'd quickly get sick of it if it were all I did. Now I'm in that position, however, I find I'm thriving in calmer, lower-stress Job B - to the extent that I'm thinking, "why don't I make this my permanent career?" Reasons against included worries about being overwhelmed by the volume of paperwork (which is plentiful but which I'm managing to stay on top of, possibly because I'm enthused about the work itself), the work becoming a bit samey (not the case as yet), and anxiety that I might, in the long-term, be boxing myself into an overly narrow field relatively early in my career ie. overspecialising.

Which is where I'm at at the moment, and part of the reason I've posting at 4am. Job A's not yet been advertised as a permanent placement so there's no pressure to jump either way for a couple of weeks anyway. I suppose my heart's telling me, "you're loving Job B, stay here" and my head's telling me, "it's more sensible to do some of A and some of B". I'm still broadly undecided, and it's getting to the point where, when people from either post ask about my plans, I feel (and probably sound) like I'm dithering. Oscillating wildly.

Bleh. So. My own not-terribly-unpleasant work dilemma aside, have other people worried about the spectre of 'overspecialisation'? In medicine, the passing of the generalist is a frequent source of teeth-gnashing and rosy-spectacle-wearing, and there does seem to be a trend toward having a narrower focus of interest. Whether this is a Good Thing is moot.

What do y'all think?
 
 
alas
02:49 / 03.03.06
Hmmm...first I have a kind of off the wall question: Have you ever had a sabbatical, Ganesh? Like 6 months, no "regular" work, just study/research? (How common are sabbaticals in the UK, outside academe?)

Me, I've never been able to really really specialise (this despite having a phd). I think I love the early learning curve, and then get to a point where I can see the vast amount of grinding work it takes to really really hit the pinnacle of a specialized topic and I think: meh. I'm interested, but.... I'd have to drop too many other things. The thinking I most enjoy is radically interdisciplinary and I like duking it out with people in real time more than I like academic journal writing. So, not much specialized.

Basically, I've figured out I'm pretty much a reasonably focused dilettante. So.

But, I also don't really like high-stress work, either, so I'd probably be pretty tempted by the cushiness of plan B.

What seems to happen to me in those situations, is I read some philosophy or literary theory that doesn't seem to have direct relevance, and I figure something out and, bing, make a decision at the last minute. It's like I have to get my brain thinking on a different plane, in a different mode, in order to hit some kind of flashpoint. Or, alternatively, it's just darts tossed at a wall.
 
 
Ganesh
02:54 / 03.03.06
Have you ever had a sabbatical, Ganesh? Like 6 months, no "regular" work, just study/research?

Not really, no. There's always been a basic expectation that at least some clinical work will be involved - which generally suits me, because the face-to-face contact is what floats my boat rather than study per se. I've always been strongly averse to research, and suspect I am a clinician at heart.
 
 
astrojax69
03:53 / 03.03.06
the message on making decisions seems to be 'sleep on it', so you may be thwarting your efforts at a solution by being awake at 4am!!

that aside, a nice dilemma, as you say. do you think you may have had a similar reaction if job 'a' had been the one to continue full time for a while and job 'b' was on hold? could you see yourself in job 'a' only? answering this question may be illuminating, but on a serious tack from the opening quip, your gut reaction will tell you.

also, what are the implications in either decision as far as remuneration and long term plans, like mebbe travelling, moving, family/friends, or experience to fulfil longer term goals, own practice, etc...? maybe these questions play a part..?

another way is to ask - which one would i desperately miss [most] if i had to give one up?

anyway, go to bed! sweet dreams and good luck happening upon the answer - or it happening upon you! do tell...
 
 
Ganesh
03:57 / 03.03.06
For a while, I did do Job A without Job B. It was stressful, chaotic and I always felt I was struggling to stay afloat, cutting corners and making decisions based on insufficient evidence. I liked the team I had around me, but much of the time I didn't actually like the work itself. I could've handled it for a year maybe, tops.

Will come back to this, after attempting some sleep.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:12 / 03.03.06
Ganesh - the mix of Job A and Job B sounds ideal to me. Overspecialisation has never been an issue for me; I'm a software engineer, but my qualification (a B.Sc. in computer science) was probably the exact opposite of specialised - the degree consisted almost exclusively of theory. We did some implementation work, but focused on the theory, which meant that my lack of practical knowledge made it somewhat harder to get a job, but once I did get my foot in the door, I could pick things up quite quickly.
 
My little brother, however, seems to be moving in a specialised direction, though - and you may appreciate this example, Ganesh. He's doing a PhD in child psychology, dealing with teaching science to children with learning disabilities, mainly autism and Asperger's. He is doing practical work with children in schools, but due to his specialisation, he probably won't go in for practise, and will stay in academia, doing research and lectures and whatnot.
 
 
Ex
07:40 / 03.03.06
Job A (or something like it) sounds as though it woul be easier to replace if you dump it now and see how Job B fulltime works, for a period of time - is that the case? That you can back out of specialisation, but it would be harder to pick up such an opportunity again later?

Also, would you have enough experience/CV brownie points to go back to more general stuff if you need to later? You say it's relatively early inthe career - it's not damagingly early, is it?

Good luck.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
07:46 / 03.03.06
And also... from my point of view, as a software engineer, an ideally balanced position would involve spending two thirds of the time working on directly money-making activities (that is, writing code, testing software, etc. directly per a client specification), which I would equate with Job A; and a third of the time doing R&D, finding out about the latest language versions, new features, etc., which would be more like Job B. In an ideal world, everybody's job should be like that, a good balance of "necessary" work and more fun work. That's my view, anyway.
 
 
Spaniel
08:42 / 03.03.06
Are there real risks attached to over specialisation? What are the drawbacks (within the psychiatric profession)?

As an aside, I think Job A sounds absolutely horrible.
 
 
Sax
08:53 / 03.03.06
Which one pays more?
 
 
Spaniel
09:03 / 03.03.06
That too.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
10:03 / 03.03.06
Ditch Job A. You're not selling it to us or yourself. The benfits seem to be mainly social and hell, you've got Barbelith for that!
 
 
Ariadne
10:22 / 03.03.06
How boxed in would you really be? Do you have a feeling for how easy it would be to move into a new area from that one?

Also, is there a status issue involved? Is Job A seen as more 'real' and superior? If so, you have to be very honest with yourself about how much that matters to you. Cringing when someone asks what you do - especially someone in your profession that you respect - is not conducive to happiness.

But then nor is taking on a highly stressful position just to show you can 'cut it'.

The social side of things does matter too - do you think you could improve that side of Job B? Does the social side of Job A come from the very fact it's so stressful, and so you bond better? That's hard to replicate in a calmer situation.

Again, only you know how much you would miss that.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
10:30 / 03.03.06
Which one pays more?
 
 
Mistoffelees
10:36 / 03.03.06
My education is designed so that I can work whereever my employer needs me. But for seven years, they had me doing the same job. I was stuck, had no chance to work somewhere else and the job was getting to me.

I asked to have a different job, and it turned into a two year long struggle. I got a lawyer, my employer sent me to doctors seven times, because he wasn´t satisfied that his doctors agreed with me.

In the end, there were no winners, but at least I don´t have to work at that horrible place anymore.

Look if you could possibly get stuck into overspecialization, and that years from now that job could turn into a dead end with slim chances of escaping it.
 
 
Ganesh
21:49 / 03.03.06
Ex:

Job A (or something like it) sounds as though it woul be easier to replace if you dump it now and see how Job B fulltime works, for a period of time - is that the case? That you can back out of specialisation, but it would be harder to pick up such an opportunity again later?

One of my concerns is that, as General Adult jobs go, Job A is actually quite 'plum', in terms of its catchment area, the medical peer group and the team itself. It'd be a jobshare, and the prospective jobshare partner would, I think, be a reasonably good mesh with me, personality-wise. If I were to pass it up now and return to General Adult work later, I'd certainly find something but possibly nothing quite as good. Having said which, as I say, the work itself is stressful and, increasingly, the bit I don't particularly like.

Also, would you have enough experience/CV brownie points to go back to more general stuff if you need to later? You say it's relatively early inthe career - it's not damagingly early, is it?

No, it's not. I took my time getting to my current level, and have a pretty broad range of experience - meaning that, unless I remain in Job B for, I dunno, ten years or thereabouts, I could probably spin things fairly convincingly in support of a variety of career paths.
 
 
Ganesh
21:54 / 03.03.06
Cloud:

Ganesh - the mix of Job A and Job B sounds ideal to me.

On paper, the mix is ideal, and it was always my plan. Now I'm doing Job B, though, I'm finding my mindset changing. It's just so nice not having the 24-hour hassle of Job A at all.
 
 
Spaniel
22:06 / 03.03.06
So what's good about Job A? I mean, stressful work? long hours? I don't get it, and I don't fully understand how a good social life (attached to work) could put a sheen on it.
Is your social life outside of work woefully inadequate? I only ask because I can't imagine a job where the social component would be the prime motivating factor in me taking it up, mainly because I have a very good social life outside of a work context.
 
 
Ganesh
22:14 / 03.03.06
Boboss:

Are there real risks attached to over specialisation? What are the drawbacks (within the psychiatric profession)?

How d'you mean? In terms of physical risks to my person, Job A's the one where I'm far more likely to be assaulted. It's also riskier in terms of having to assume overall responsibility for people's care ie. if one one my caseload killed themselves or someone else, I'd be hauled up before a tribunal and called to account.

Other drawbacks are pretty much as I've described. Job B might be viewed by my peers as a bit pie-in-the-sky because it doesn't include the aforementioned risks (doctors - even psychiatrists - have a tendency to be macho about this sort of thing). It's more isolated, professionally speaking, and if I were doing it for a long time, I'd probably have to think about maintaining some occasional involvement with General Adult psychiatry, to 'keep my hand in'. Maybe MHA assessments or the like.

As an aside, I think Job A sounds absolutely horrible.

Some of that's probably down to the way I've described it - which, in turn, reflects my having done it for over a year, finding it quite stressful, and being relieved to not be doing it full time any more.

The pay, incidentally, is pretty much equal for both, NHS doctors having a more or less standardised pay scale. Probably slightly greater for Job A as a result of having to do on-call - but it's probably not worth it for the extra hassle.
 
 
Spaniel
22:26 / 03.03.06
Not knowing much about Psychiatry, all I can say is that you point yourself in the direction of that which makes you happiest. I know that's trite and simplistic and I'm sure (positive in fact) that I'm not saying anything you haven't already put to yourself, but as someone who is actively trying to bring what they enjoy into their working life I can only suggest that you pay attention to what makes you happy and go with it. Life is far too fucking short to do anything else.
 
 
Spaniel
22:28 / 03.03.06
Boboss is a little pissed. Yes he is.
 
 
Ganesh
22:30 / 03.03.06
Boboss again:

So what's good about Job A? I mean, stressful work? long hours? I don't get it, and I don't fully understand how a good social life (attached to work) could put a sheen on it.

Job A was good because, as General Adult jobs go, the hours weren't especially long (on-call yes, but from home, and not busy - and 9-5ish). Also, the multidisciplinary team (other psychs, nurses, social workers, psychologists, occupational therapists, art therapists, etc.) was close-knit and, when they decided they liked someone (as they did with me), incredibly supportive: at my level, the importance of competent, reliable colleagues cannot be overstated. I really felt part of that team - which bled over into the social life aspect. Many of them were people I would actually choose to socialise with.

I do have a social life outside work, but in medicine - perhaps more so than some professions - there's some blurring of work/socialising, particularly in a strong 'team' setting. Job B allows for much more of a work/leisure division than does Job A.
 
 
cantankor
21:09 / 04.03.06
Hi Ganesh! What a dilemma, but I guess it's quite nice to be in demand! You need to follow your instincts on this one! I can see why you want stick with a great team as you would be doing with Job A as it's important in medicine to feel that you're part of a team. However, people move on and I think that, you would probably find that, many of the members of team A would move on and then there is potential for you been left to work with people who you don't get on as well with. Job B, to me, as a medic, sounds ideal. Less on call and doing a specialist job, which you have a real interest in sounds great! You would have more time for your out of work interests (something that you've probably spent most of you working life wishing that you could do!) and good money. And you'd be a specialist in your field, something that you psychiatrists thrive on!!
 
 
Cherielabombe
21:28 / 04.03.06
Hmm. Knowing you, I would say go for job B, if you get sick of it, it sounds as if you've got enough on your CV that you could get back into something more general.

But on the other hand, you could be in "the honeymoon phase" of full-time job B and grow to miss the hustle-and-bustle of job A.

I doubt it, though. I suspect you'll be feeling more and more chilled out with job B and want to go back to job A less and less. Still though, you've got a few weeks before the ad appears. Maybe you should wait a few weeks and see how you feel.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
09:30 / 06.03.06
 
 
Jack Denfeld
09:34 / 06.03.06
Teehee, his wine has a worm trying to wriggle out. Xoc=<3
 
 
Ganesh
23:47 / 15.03.06
A week on, and I'm finding a little of the sheen has worn off Job B - I'm working late several nights per week in an attempt to keep abreast of all that paperwork - but, somehow, I'm still feeling like getting up for it in the mornings. Also, part of the reason I'm taking so long over the paperwork is that I'm taking a bit more pride in it: wanting to be sure my assessments are lucid, well-constructed and flow nicely.

Hmmm...
 
 
alas
23:52 / 15.03.06
wanting to be sure my assessments are lucid, well-constructed and flow nicely.

It's when you start wanting to be sure they are all ottava rima that you should start worrying.
 
 
*
05:39 / 16.03.06
And if you take them home, and "Midnighter" draws badgers on them, well...
 
 
Ganesh
20:22 / 30.03.06
Always meant to address Ariadne's points:

How boxed in would you really be? Do you have a feeling for how easy it would be to move into a new area from that one?

Mm, not really. Consensus seems to be that it's fine to do "a couple of years" in Job B but, beyond that, my CV might induce brow-furrowing and tongue-clucking in job interviews.

Also, is there a status issue involved? Is Job A seen as more 'real' and superior? If so, you have to be very honest with yourself about how much that matters to you. Cringing when someone asks what you do - especially someone in your profession that you respect - is not conducive to happiness.

This is a very good point, particularly given that most doctors are at least a little bit partial to parading the "real and superior" element, a little bit martyry. Having said which, having gone on to specialise in psychiatry probably devalues one's shroud-waving currency somewhat. For a long while, my mother told people her son was "a doctor" rather than "a psychiatrist".

But then nor is taking on a highly stressful position just to show you can 'cut it'.

There is that medical machismo thing - but then, I've been around the block enough, and have a varied enough CV, not to have to prove that stuff anymore.

The social side of things does matter too - do you think you could improve that side of Job B? Does the social side of Job A come from the very fact it's so stressful, and so you bond better? That's hard to replicate in a calmer situation.

Job A had a kind of happy chaos, was more mixed, and included more joint working and consultation - so there was a nice social cross-fertilisation with medical, nursing, social work and admin staff. In Job B, there's less of that chaos, I (mostly) work alone and most of my colleagues are teetotal/driving/parents/older than me, so the standard 'drink after work' socialising is hard to arrange. Having said which, one of the other thirtysomethings (a bi guy if ever there was one) seems intrigued with me, and keeps suggesting going for a drink. Which'll be nice if we can drag other colleagues along.

Also, having hummed and hawed and chinstroked over this, I've just had my first full month's payslip in Job B, and find that I'm being paid around 25% more than in Job A. Decision made, then...
 
 
Sax
10:35 / 31.03.06
Told you it would come down to that.
 
 
Ganesh
15:37 / 31.03.06
Will you be my personal adviser, Sax?
 
  
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