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Nazi Jazz (well, Swing)

 
 
Quantum
17:31 / 02.03.06
A friend has been playing me some Charlie and his Orchestra, Nazi Swing from the war. "Swing and jazz music was "unerwunschte musik" (undesirable music) for the nazis who worked hard to suppress this music during World War II, while using it at the same time for propaganda purposes on the airwaves."

So this music is doubly verboten, it was illegal for Germans to play it or listen to it as it's 'decadent' music, and illegal for the British to listen to it as it was Nazi propaganda. The music is performed by German musicians who had no other outlet for their swing so it's actually fantastically played, just has lyrics like 'You're losing the war' and about the Red Front and stuff.

It's persuasive value is laughable today compared to the high octane propaganda we're all submerged in all day long (advertising, news, etc.) but it's an interesting cultural artefact.

Which brings me to my point- do you think it's morally OK to listen to it? There are museums of propaganda of course and the stuff should be preserved, but should we listen to it?

I want this 95 track plus documentary box set...
 
 
Kiltartan Cross
22:11 / 02.03.06
Wow, good heavens! I remember hearing some of that late one night while on a long car journey, it was, ah, entertaining stuff. "Springtime for Hitler", only real.

I wouldn't like to say that it was moral or immoral to listen to it without knowing more about Charlie & company. Should we condemn all cultural artefacts produced in Germany under Nazi rule until proven innocent? It seems wrong, somehow, to demonise this rather trivial music offhand, and yet by liking it we might find ourselves liking the output of the Nazis. We should find out more!
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
08:35 / 03.03.06
Oddly enough, I caught a radio programme about this a couple of weeks ago. Mental. Swing music as we know it, but Nazi. Very weird. Politics of listening to it are difficult. For instance, if the music was banned, and it was the only outlet that German jazz musicians had to play at all - it's slightly ambiguous. Particularly if the musicians were actually forced to channel what they did into propaganda. Then again, the element of complicity can't really be ignored either. I dunno. Complicated. I just found the music really funny, exactly like "Springtime for Hitler" but real.

Speaking of which, a friend of mine recently went to see the stage play of "The Producers" and in the interval, he spotted these three skinhead guys at the bar in jackboots and bomber jackets. Real nazis going to see 'The Producers' musical! How funny is that! Did one of them say: "Hey guys, there's this new musical on in town about Hitler, we've got to go and see it!"

On a vaguely similar note to Nazi jazz, I've got this great CD of Weimar republic cabaret music called "Berlin by night". It has a track on it called "Musik! Musik! Musik!" which is basically the theme tune from The Muppets. Who knew that the Muppets theme tune was an old Berlin cabaret tune. Quite odd.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
09:51 / 03.03.06
Not every skinhead in boots and bombers is a Nazi. It's quite a popular look amongst gay men and SHARPS (Skinheads against racial prejudice) as well.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
11:19 / 03.03.06
Aye, but it's still a very funny image seeing guys dressed-up like that in the audience for "Springtime for Hitler". I like to believe they were real Nazis who had gone along to see The Producers as a bit of deadly serious motivational drama for their cause. Humour me.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
12:41 / 03.03.06
Oh, all right then, you cheeky monkey.
 
 
Quantum
18:40 / 07.03.06
See this thread
 
  
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