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Can anyone give me some current myths?

 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:09 / 02.03.06
I'm writing an essay on Barthes. The first part of it is an explanation of his idea of "mythology", and the second part is an analysis of some modern day myths. It's the second part that's causing me trouble.

I need to analyse at least two myths. The first one I was thinking of doing was the idea that all muslims are terrorists/reactionaries/etc, and how this allows the current administration to go to war with Iraq under false pretences etc, but I was wondering how I could make it more specific and what sources I could use to back up the assertion that it was widely beleived and propagated.

I'm not sure what to do for the other one. Has anyone got any ideas?
 
 
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16:11 / 02.03.06
here's one.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
16:15 / 02.03.06
How about the myth of consumerism: buy this and you'll be happier/sexier/taller/etc? Maybe you could then use examples from advertising to support your analysis and illustrate "metalangue" in practice.
 
 
grant
16:16 / 02.03.06
What the hell do you mean by "myth"?
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:16 / 02.03.06
This story comes to mind. Not a widespread myth, but an interesting system of beleifs that seem to have popped up on their own.
 
 
alas
16:16 / 02.03.06
If it's allowed by the assignment, why not take a way of viewing the world that you actually personally use, or have used in the past, even though it almost certainly has its limitations? (We all tell ourselves stories that help us make sense of the world). That way 1) you can use evidence from your own experience, and 2) there's less risk of being inaccurate or condescending, so 3) you'll probably write better, more carefully.
 
 
■
16:24 / 02.03.06
Snopes is also a very handy resource for all kinds of modern myths.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:24 / 02.03.06
Id- Hmm, interesting, thanks- but I wouldn't know where to look for concrete examples of anti-psychiatry texts/statements- alas, I need something more concrete than message-board writing...

PW- Now see I could deconstruct an advert, but the thing is Barthes does that in the text of his we've been given to read, and the markers won't like me if they think I'm copying...hmm...I wonder if there are any surveys that show whether or not people place high value on buying stuff...

Grant- basically, Barthes says that it's not just the Greeks et al who had "myths"- we too in our modern age beleive things that are unproven and often false in order to shore up our own security, and these myths are reinforced through all sorts of cultural artifacts- it's just that these myths adapt to suit our culture. So the medieval Christians beleived that the Jews drank blood, Victorians beleived that Africans were genetically inferior, and so on, and in each instance works were created that reinforced those myths.

The problem with finding myths in our own age is that it's very easy to become elitist.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:28 / 02.03.06
Alas- that's a great idea but I think by definition the myth has to be beleived by a group of people.

Maybe I could pick up one of those "little books of chav" (probably steal it, don't want to spend money on it) and deconstruct that. Oo, and I could throw in the Kaiser Chief's lyrics...
 
 
Quantum
16:39 / 02.03.06
That loads of countries need 'Developing'?
 
 
grant
16:55 / 02.03.06
Ah, that kind of myth. OK how about the idea that gays recruit? Or that homosexuality is linked to pedophilia? Or even that marriage has always been defined as a union between a man and a woman?
 
 
matthew.
17:13 / 02.03.06
Or that oral sex is not sexual intercourse. If I can find the statistic... a lot of teens and young adults think that oral sex amounts to abstinence.
 
 
alas
17:15 / 02.03.06
that's a great idea but I think by definition the myth has to be beleived by a group of people

But surely you believe/have believed problematic things that other people also believe? I'm thinking, for myself, about the limitations of a certain kind of feminist argument, for instance. I know that my feminism was and is shaped by mainstream 2nd wave feminism, which has been challenged for good reasons by 3rd wave feminism. I participate in 3rd wave feminism, but retain some ghosts of the old feminism.

I'm saying I think you'll write better if you choose a complex belief. One that's not readily dismissable and other-able for you. This is likely to be one that you have held, or, ideally, still hold but which has limitations.
 
 
iconoplast
18:05 / 02.03.06
I think the red state / blue state divide could be really fun tot ackle as a myth. That urban intelligentsia atheists believe X, while rural proletariat christians believe Y.

Because it's such a common trope, which seems to have absolutely no bearing on the actual beliefs of actual people in any actual places.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
18:08 / 02.03.06
Alas, I see what you mean now. Thanks for the qualification, I will work on that.
 
 
Dead Megatron
18:59 / 02.03.06
Or that oral sex is not sexual intercourse. If I can find the statistic... a lot of teens and young adults think that oral sex amounts to abstinence.

And that it's safe, DST-wise, which is really dangerous.

Years ago, I read in a magazina about a "myth" going around in Russia (Moscow, actually) that ghaving sex with children prostitutes (boys and girls up to 13) is "safe" and you won't get AIDS from it, which made such pedophilic practice abnormally common. It was during those years righ after the fall of comunism, when russia was a mafia-controlled mess (1994-95, if I remember well). Things should be better by now. I wish I had a link for that, but I don't.

on that note, let me make a stupid question. People have been refering in this thread to social/political misconceptions/prejudices as "myths". Is this formally correct? I always thought it was somewhat of a misuse of the term.

[that Miami homeless children myth link up there is creeping me out. It's interesting how the kids adapt "latino" mythology to explain their own hellish lives. For those who believe in such things, it would make an interesting Temple thread]
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:03 / 02.03.06
Myth is formally correct in the ocntext of Barthes, I beleive.
 
 
grant
19:44 / 02.03.06
An anthropologist would probably disagree, but they'd be disagreeing with Barthes.
 
 
enrieb
21:20 / 02.03.06
A modern myth I find almost daily is the myth of the asylum seeker.

I meet people who belive, that genuanly belive that there are 'millions' of asylum seekers in the UK. If this were true then in the UK, a country with a polulation of 60 million,
would have at least a 1 in 30 ratio of asylum seekers. Even at a 200.000 daily mail figure for asylum seekers this would still
amount to a 1 in 300 ratio. The question I ask of these myth belivers is this, Name One? Name one single asylum seeker that you know?

The same can be applied to the myth of terroism.

IN 2002

114,587 Deaths caused by smoking are five times higher than the 22,833 deaths arising from: traffic accidents (3,439); poisoning and overdose (881);
alcoholic liver disease (5,121); other accidental deaths (8,579); murder and manslaughter (513); suicide (4,066); and HIV infection (234

I am sorry but I just cannot find any statistics for deaths by terrorism in the Uk, Yet we are lead to belive this is the number one threat to our lives.
I say name ten terrorists, OK silly me, name five, alright, alright I will make it easy just name one, just name one single terrorist that you know.
 
 
Smoothly
21:46 / 02.03.06
I am sorry but I just cannot find any statistics for deaths by terrorism in the Uk

Well, there were at least 56 last year. But who is leading you to believe that terrorism is the number one threat to your life, enrieb?

Meanwhile, name three people who have died from passive smoking.
 
 
astrojax69
21:47 / 02.03.06
obesity is a killer and is unhealthy.

the figures don't, apparently, add up. and anyway, being underweight seems to be, pound for pound, a worse state of affairs...

the fat myth.

or the diet myths that abound, generally.

or jesus.

or santa.
 
 
SMS
21:31 / 03.03.06
On a bit of a different note, here's one of my favorite myths. It's also "bigger" than some of the myths that have been mentioned, because this is really an important part of how Americans form our identity. It's also quite liberal with the facts:

The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere
by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.

He said to his friend, "If the British march
By land or sea from the town to-night,
Hang a lantern aloft in the belfry arch
Of the North Church tower as a signal light,--
One if by land, and two if by sea;
And I on the opposite shore will be,
Ready to ride and spread the alarm
Through every Middlesex village and farm,
For the country folk to be up and to arm."

Then he said "Good-night!" and with muffled oar
Silently rowed to the Charlestown shore,
Just as the moon rose over the bay,
Where swinging wide at her moorings lay
The Somerset, British man-of-war;
A phantom ship, with each mast and spar
Across the moon like a prison bar,
And a huge black hulk, that was magnified
By its own reflection in the tide.

Meanwhile, his friend through alley and street
Wanders and watches, with eager ears,
Till in the silence around him he hears
The muster of men at the barrack door,
The sound of arms, and the tramp of feet,
And the measured tread of the grenadiers,
Marching down to their boats on the shore.

Then he climbed the tower of the Old North Church,
By the wooden stairs, with stealthy tread,
To the belfry chamber overhead,
And startled the pigeons from their perch
On the sombre rafters, that round him made
Masses and moving shapes of shade,--
By the trembling ladder, steep and tall,
To the highest window in the wall,
Where he paused to listen and look down
A moment on the roofs of the town

And the moonlight flowing over all.

Beneath, in the churchyard, lay the dead,
In their night encampment on the hill,
Wrapped in silence so deep and still
That he could hear, like a sentinel's tread,
The watchful night-wind, as it went
Creeping along from tent to tent,
And seeming to whisper, "All is well!"
A moment only he feels the spell
Of the place and the hour, and the secret dread
Of the lonely belfry and the dead;
For suddenly all his thoughts are bent
On a shadowy something far away,
Where the river widens to meet the bay,--
A line of black that bends and floats
On the rising tide like a bridge of boats.

Meanwhile, impatient to mount and ride,
Booted and spurred, with a heavy stride
On the opposite shore walked Paul Revere.
Now he patted his horse's side,
Now he gazed at the landscape far and near,
Then, impetuous, stamped the earth,
And turned and tightened his saddle girth;
But mostly he watched with eager search
The belfry tower of the Old North Church,
As it rose above the graves on the hill,
Lonely and spectral and sombre and still.
And lo! as he looks, on the belfry's height
A glimmer, and then a gleam of light!
He springs to the saddle, the bridle he turns,
But lingers and gazes, till full on his sight
A second lamp in the belfry burns.

A hurry of hoofs in a village street,
A shape in the moonlight, a bulk in the dark,
And beneath, from the pebbles, in passing, a spark
Struck out by a steed flying fearless and fleet;
That was all! And yet, through the gloom and the light,
The fate of a nation was riding that night;
And the spark struck out by that steed, in his flight,
Kindled the land into flame with its heat.
He has left the village and mounted the steep,
And beneath him, tranquil and broad and deep,
Is the Mystic, meeting the ocean tides;
And under the alders that skirt its edge,
Now soft on the sand, now loud on the ledge,
Is heard the tramp of his steed as he rides.

It was twelve by the village clock
When he crossed the bridge into Medford town.
He heard the crowing of the cock,
And the barking of the farmer's dog,
And felt the damp of the river fog,
That rises after the sun goes down.

It was one by the village clock,
when he galloped into Lexington.
he saw the gilded weathercock
Swim in the moonlight as he passed,
And the meeting-house windows, black and bare,
Gaze at him with a spectral glare,
As if they already stood aghast
At the bloody work they would look upon.

It was two by the village clock,
When he came to the bridge in Concord town.
he heard the bleating of the flock,
And the twitter of birds among the trees,
And felt the breath of the morning breeze
Blowing over the meadow brown.
And one was safe and asleep in his bed
Who at the bridge would be first to fall,
Who that day would be lying dead,
Pierced by a British musket ball.

You know the rest. In the books you have read
How the British Regulars fired and fled,---
How the farmers gave them ball for ball,
From behind each fence and farmyard wall,
Chasing the redcoats down the lane,
Then crossing the fields to emerge again
Under the trees at the turn of the road,
And only pausing to fire and load.

So through the night rode Paul Revere;
And so through the night went his cry of alarm
To every Middlesex village and farm,---
A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
And a word that shall echo for evermore!
For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
Through all our history, to the last,
In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
The people will waken and listen to hear
The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
And the midnight message of Paul Revere.
 
  
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