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Coolest Movie Evah!!!

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:36 / 22.02.06
buttergun- the sad news is here.
 
 
matthew.
03:38 / 23.02.06
I increasingly feel that members either approach the board as a community, or they approach it simply as a venue for self-expression.

And yet, somehow, somewhere, this thread survived.
 
 
Dead Megatron
03:57 / 23.02.06
And yet, somehow, somewhere, this thread survived

It's because I've stopped talking

oops...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
04:47 / 23.02.06
Actually, I sort of like this thread's theme - that there is a criterion of coolness which is almost impossible to define precisely, and which stands largely independent of quality. So, you have qualities that might not actually make for a good film at all which do help a film to be cool. Can one taxonomise them?


  • Dual wield, probably
  • Dark glasses
  • Certain actors - Kurt Russell, Christopher Walken?
  • The presence of Rowdy Roddy Piper
  • Kung fu


So, Battleship Potemkin is unlikely to be cool, no matter how _good_ it is. Whereas "Escape from New York", while good, is also very definitely cool.

Can one define cool? Possibly in a way that excludes Steve Vai?
 
 
Billuccho!
14:11 / 23.02.06
Bill, John. Would you like to come to my house for tea and also sex?

So what kind of tea?
 
 
Spaniel
14:15 / 23.02.06
But, Haus, if we take your taxonomy and put it to work it would seem that Steven Seagal movies are cool.

I put it too you that Steven Seagal movies, especially On Deadly Ground are a)bad, b)uncool, c)AMAZING, and d)just a cook.
 
 
Spaniel
14:17 / 23.02.06
Is the fact that Seagal substitutes Aikedo skills for Kung Fu his weakness?
 
 
Dead Megatron
15:40 / 23.02.06
Good question, Boboss. It may be so

So, Battleship Potemkin is unlikely to be cool, no matter how _good_ it is.

Weirdly enough, B.Potemkin is not a cool movie, but the rip-off/"homage" of its famous stairway scene in The Untochables is.

And Escape from NY is mega-cool
 
 
Planet B
16:27 / 23.02.06
Let's just admit that John Carpenter makes some cool-ass movies. Which is why I'm surprised that no one has mentioned one of the coolest of the cool - THEY LIVE. Aliens, sunglasses, Roddy Piper, a really strange looking redhead and the greatest fight scene in movie history. That's cool, what?
 
 
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19:09 / 23.02.06
I don't know if it's my fave movie ever, but for the coolest, I'd have to say Pulp Fiction. It just oozes with coolness.
 
 
John Octave
19:33 / 23.02.06
I think one criterion for coolness, as we're using it in this thread, ought to be that you have the option of simply viewing the movie in a suface-level, face-value narrative way.

Meaning, for a movie like They Live, there's the obvious themes and subtext, but you can also just watch it as a weird movie about aliens. You can watch The Adventures of Baron Munchausen and appreciate the interplay and questioning of what defines/separates reality and fiction, or you can just enjoy it as a whimsical fantasy where neat stuff happens. These are cool movies in which the viewer gets to decide how much s/he wants to put into it.

Thus, Potemkin would not be a "cool" movie, because most of the appreciation comes from looking at how it's edited and constructed (or looking at its propagandic aims). If you go into Potemkin for the story alone, you're going to be disappointed, obviously.

The scene from "The Untouchables" would qualify, though, because it's cool-looking even if you haven't seen Potemkin, and having seen Eisenstein just adds another layer that you can choose to ignore if you wish.

Or is this unfairly biased towards movies with "classical" continuity editing?
 
 
Shrug
20:03 / 23.02.06
In the context of this thread it seems generally to be about the male hero as alot of it seems to revolve around a hyper-masculinised protagonist. For example, Die Hard is one of the "coolest movie[s] evah!!", is it not?

In Potemkin we are not only without the aforementioned hyper-masculinised protagonist but left without a conventional singular protagonist at all. Indeed there strictly doesn't seem to be any singular priveledged pov. The more concrete focus of Eisenstein's film is instead on a myriad of characters designed to be representative of the different strands of Russian society.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:24 / 23.02.06
Alot of it seems to revolve around a hyper-masculinised protagonist. In the context of this thread it seems to generally be about the male hero. For example, Die Hard is one of the "coolest movie[s] evah!!", is it not?


You may be one to something ther ES. I could say my initial choice (Crossroads) is cool not because of the male hero (Daniel-san? c'mon!), but because of the music. However, since blues is about a "good man feelin' bad 'bout a woman he once was with", it may still apply

But, still, I find admirable you can sensibly cricticise the concept of cool movies and still nominate one that is, indeed, cool...
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
20:25 / 23.02.06
Planet B, I'm hearing ya. That's got to be the longest screen fight in movie history. "Put on the glasses!"

My vote for Coolest Movie Evah? 'Down by Law':

Jim Jarmusch + Tom Waits + Roberto Benigni + John Lurie = lots of cigarette smoking (cool, right?) + cool people looking foolish + funny people looking cool + clever dialogue.

Oh, and it's black and white too.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
20:48 / 23.02.06
I present exhibit A on why Rowdy Roddy does not necessarily make a movie cool. To thoroughly quantify the ways in which this film utterly fails to be cool would be a futile; suffice to say it suffers from the presence of Billy Blanks, a protagonist named Elmo Freech, and a fight scene which is but a pale shadow of the one in They Live.

On the other hand, it was a) hilarious and b) I picked it up for 75p in a post office so it's not entirely worthless. Cool, though? Not particularly. I'm not losing any sleep over leaving my copy on the other side of the Atlantic, anyway.

Interesting point about hypermasculinized heroes, by the way. Based on no evidence whatsoever beyond a vague feeling, 'cool' in general tends to be associated with masculinity, doesn't it?
 
 
Shrug
21:46 / 23.02.06
Well, I suppose it's all pretty subjective. I'm not sure cool always has to be tied to masculinity. More so about a level of personal identification, maybe? Interesting point, perhaps, that within alot of eighties/nineties actioners of this sort stereotypical masculinity is held up as an ideal within the film's ideological structure which is usually achieved through a process of othering. And although I find Die Hard to be an excellent movie I was using it solely as an example of what might be considered a "coolest movie evah!!!" within the bounds of the criteria being established in this thread (or a what I've heard on the street type thing).

And although I don't think it's necessary to do, identification might be one way narrowing "cool" to a singular criterion.

On the soundtrack thing: Well, it certainly helps. Hedwig and the Angry Inch, maybe? As with Pulp Fiction, I'm always left wondering whether my stronger love affair is with the soundtrack or the movie, though.

I find a certain coolness to self reflexivity, subversion of genre rules/themes and self-aware pop culture references within a movie. There's a level of *wink, wink, nudge, nudge you-get-the-jokeness* to alot of films that I like and arguably is what makes them cool . In fact, almost all of Scream's appeal is predicated on the success of this formula.
 
 
lekvar
22:52 / 23.02.06
Cool movie submission:
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension, the ultimate 80's movie.
The perfect yuppie rockstar must defeat an alien facist so horrible it threatens the survival of both the US and the USSR!

Guns! Girls! Guitars! Space monsters! Rocket trucks!*

The cast alone makes the movie worth buying, and it was directed by the same man that co-wrote Big Trouble.

To be honest, I'm not sure how this movie fits into the decnstructed cool as defined above. Paul Weller is not at his most physically imposing in this movie, and most of his feats are brainy rather than brawny.

*The rocket truck was real, and built specifically for the movie.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:46 / 24.02.06
Buckaroo Banzai doesn't count because it was a documentary.

It so was.
 
 
matthew.
02:37 / 24.02.06
You know, when I first stumbled upon this thread, I thought the "Crossroads" he was talking about was this one, starring Britney Spears.
 
 
Dead Megatron
11:17 / 24.02.06
As much as I like watching B.Spears in underpants, I think she did her generation great damage by stealing away the movie's name. Now, every time I mention this movie (1986's Crossroads) to a youngster, they have no idea what I'm talking about.

And that's not cool.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:05 / 24.02.06
That's actually very cool indeed.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:10 / 24.02.06
You think you feel bad: I used to be able to think of Galvatron without experiencing anger and disgust!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:37 / 24.02.06
I didn't, but then I am

 
 
matthew.
12:42 / 24.02.06
I knew it. I knew Haus was actually Robert Stack in meatspace.
 
 
buttergun
14:30 / 24.02.06
Sheez, this is my third recommendation, and it's one I should've made my first.

No doubt, without question, the coolest movie of all time is Danger: Diabolik (1968, Italy).

Not only is Diabolik one suave, ninja-outfitted bastard, he has a red-hot, adoring gal-pal who acts as his partner in crime, he kills cops and criminals without remorse, and he comes complete with a soundtrack by Ennio Morricone!!
 
 
buttergun
14:34 / 24.02.06
BTW, I've always had a soft spot for They Live, just because of the super-extended street fight between Rowdy Roddy and his black friend. That fight goes on and on and ON! "Just put on the glasses!" The whole thing's an in-joke, of course (Carpenter scratching his chin and thinking, "How long CAN I make this fight?"), and I also love it when the guy ALMOST puts on the glasses, after countless minutes of fighting -- but then sucker-punches Piper instead. Genius!
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:39 / 24.02.06
Three words: The Big Leibowski. Gaw-damn...

So much incited by the loss of a rug. "Don't worry Donny, these men can't hurt you, they're Nihilists." The raspy personification of the Western Film siddling up beside Jeff Bridges at a bowling alley, (a) ordering a sasparilla and (b) berating Jeff "The Dude" Bridges for cussing so much.

Julianne Moore as half-naked flying experimental artist, then later as dreamscape Brunhilda in the centre of a vast bowling musical number.
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:41 / 24.02.06
I want to change my recomendation: The collest movie evah is actually Tranformers: The Movie

freaking Autobots everywhere I turn...
 
 
Aertho
14:48 / 24.02.06
What proof have we that Ultra Magnus was a gay? Soundwave as a single parent I can see rather easily. But was there subtext?
 
 
Dead Megatron
14:52 / 24.02.06
Soundwave: single parent of juvenile delinquent twins, with lots of pets
 
 
Spaniel
15:53 / 24.02.06
What proof have we that Ultra Magnus was a gay?

I remember Haus's laying it all out, but for the life of me I can't find the topic.

Haus, get over here.
 
 
ShadowSax
20:14 / 24.02.06
the definition of cool is keith richards. btw. fyi.

i dont have any stats to back that up. but i dont need any. because i'm cool like that. i learned it from keith.
 
 
The Falcon
20:23 / 24.02.06
The phrase used was 'gay as a window' as I recall.

It definitely rings true to me, somehow.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:34 / 24.02.06
Keith Richards ain't cool


Charlie Watss is
 
 
The Falcon
20:44 / 24.02.06
The truth about Magnus.
 
  

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