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Hi, maybe you folks can help me with something?

 
 
Invisible Queen
22:12 / 15.02.06
Hello. I got to this place a while ago, and was bothered that I couldn't think of something sufficently interesting to say so I never did say a lot. But it occured to me that some of you guys are supposedly frighteningly smart (I don't know who) so maybe you could help me figure something out.

My problem is that I need to see more people, and I don't know how.

My typical week looks like this: On tuesday I get on a bus for 40 minutes and walk across a highway and a railway and through waist-deep snow to get to work. There I spend a few hours looking over used toys and fixing them up to be sold and talking to my supervisor, a really nice old lady. Then I go home and spend six days alone, occasionally going to the store.

All the time I think about the three people I know and wonder why I don't spend more time with them though they all live relatively close. (relative to my workplace.) I could call them, but I really don't like calling people and they never call me.

Sometimes I go into town on friday or saturday nights and try to figure out how people meet each other. It seems like a simple thing, going into a bar or something and go "I have come to find out about drinking" and derail my inhibitions for a while and make friends. People seem to do it all the time. (Except for the finding out about drinking part.) But when I go into one of these places I can literally see everyone staring at me - I look that out of place - and I freeze up, completely unable to figure out the next step and even less take it, and I go outside before I start crying.

But that's Asperger's syndrome for ya. All the things you naturally know about how to communicate, that you don't even know you know, I have to learn and consciously keep in mind. So I'm wondering, where do people go to meet each other? How do you do? What do you say? Is it even possible to into a bar alone and make friends? If not how do you get a "wingman"? Is there a written manual for human behavior? Is there any way I wouldn't laugh if off for being conformist if there were? What are the questions I don't know I should be asking?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
22:56 / 15.02.06
My problem is that I need to see more people, and I don't know how.

Assuming you live within sensible distance of a lerge-ish town: join a club, or some sort of organisation. Not a self-help club neccesarily, perhaps a charity group seeing as you work in a charity shop. Have a look in the local paper, as they advertise there, or do an internet search, and give it a try. Alternatively, enrol on some kind of course at your local community college, perhaps charity management or whatever else interests you.

These are good ways of meeting people, because whatever differences you may have in the group, you can be sure of a similarity in that you'll have a shared purpose in being there.

Sometimes I go into town on friday or saturday nights and try to figure out how people meet each other. It seems like a simple thing, going into a bar or something and go "I have come to find out about drinking" and derail my inhibitions for a while and make friends. People seem to do it all the time.

As far as bars and clubs go: the simple fact is that, definitely with clubs and quite often with pubs, they're loud, noisy and brash places where people go to show off. The chances are that most of the people there are entirely absorbed in themselves and how hott they're looking, and aren't actually that interested in meeting other people or forming the kind of meaningful relationships that I sense you're after. Most people go there as part of a group of friends, not on their own, and that's really the only way to enjoy it unless you're very, very confident and self-assured. I do this sometimes but to be honest it's boring, I much prefer being with a group; I think that's what you need to organise.

I can literally see everyone staring at me - I look that out of place

Well, I can't speak from your experience, but I really really really doubt the punters were actually looking at you anymore than they would look at anyone who entered the bar.

When you say that you look out of place, how exactly do you mean? Are we talking cross-dressing, or just a lack of interest in current fashions?

What are the questions I don't know I should be asking?

There are no magic words, man; it's like chat-up lines, you've just got to try and work out something that links you to the other person in that specific context.
 
 
Bed Head
23:00 / 15.02.06
That’s not an uncommon problem. We’ve had threads on suchlike before, and I always liked Squirmelia’s post here, which I link to coz she’s wiser than me.

...Although some of her advice might not be much use where you are in Sweden, in which case pretend I never mentioned it, and the frighteningly intelligent 'lithers will be along any minute. Me, I just think tend to think that doing creative, collaborative-type stuff is always good, is all.
 
 
Ganesh
23:17 / 15.02.06
I think most people go through at least some sort of phase of having to learn this stuff by (often painful) trial and error, usually in adolescence. Some find it harder than others. Essentially, people meet people through group environments (school, university, the workplace, etc.) or via common interests (sports teams, film clubs, book groups, etc.) What are your interests? Is there any way you could make contact with people locally who might share those interests? Being online is a start.

Diving 'cold' into a bar on your own is difficult at the best of times, and if you're not good at small talk, it's going to be hell. Better to be interacting with other people when there's a shared focus (watching a band, discussing a novel, etc.) - then heading, en masse for a drink.

You've articulate your problems very well, and cited the diagnosis of Asperger Syndrome. If you're okay talking about it (either here or via PM), I think I'd find it helpful to know when, where and how this particular diagnostic label was applied to you.
 
 
Dr. Tom
01:40 / 16.02.06
I can't tell how serious you were about Aspergers...

If you actually have it, Think structure, structure, structure. One of the best bosses I ever had seemed to have it. Temple Grandin has done very well for herself as a high functioning autistic.

If you are just a nerd and not actually aspergers, my advice is to get in touch with your inner asshole. Go to some nightclub where you don't know anyone and explore the universe of behaviors that you don't normally engage in (and that won't get you arrested). You may be quite surprised at how people acually respond to assholes. You will learn why there are just so many of them out there.

Dr. Tom (Not actualy medical advice! Assume the worst.)
 
 
netbanshee
03:05 / 16.02.06
I'm curious about the Asperger's mention as well. I have a younger brother that has it and have some varied social experiences with him. I'd follow the current advice and go with what's familiar to you and expand upon the outlets that you already have at your disposal as a start.

Insofar as clubs and the bar scene, if you can't go with a group to a bar, I'd try to find somewhere nearby that has that local bar feel to it. Places where you'll see some age range and different types of people inhabiting it. Local bars are nice since you get regulars and familiar people that you can easily catch up with a bit at a time. I'm not much of a social flower compared to some people I pal around with but I have a spot nearby that I can go to a check something out during the week. It adds some variety that I wouldn't normally have.
 
 
astrojax69
03:11 / 16.02.06
On tuesday I get on a bus for 40 minutes and walk across a highway and a railway and through waist-deep snow to get to work.

i.q., that must be so cold! brrrrr, but is there no-one on the bus you see every day? have you ever said hi to them?

clubs/organisations are, as the frighteningly smart legba pointed out, are options. so maybe is joining a public speaking group, to force yourself your inherent reticence for engaging with others publically.

do you have a reticence of even telephone conversations with strangers? if so, my advice is probably not worth the virtual paper its is electronically inscribed upon, as i am pretty gregarious by nature and have a happy knack of talking with almost anyone.

but contacting and joining a group with some common interest - sports, pets, music, books, food, stamp collecting: anything - is probably your best first step.

also, have a look on-line or through your doctor, see if there is an autism/aspergers support group near you? they might help... but best wishes for happiness!

...and if you visit canberra, call in for a cuppa!


(and a thumbs up to the temple grandin reference too - read her anyway, everyone!)
 
 
Saltation
03:50 / 16.02.06
much to say but dont' have the brain to do so right now.

in the interim:
• suggest you eat fish oil (lots) plus L-Glutamine, L-Tyrosine, L-Phenylalinine.
• suggest you learn a (surprisingly) few stock social phrases. eg "hi, my name's [X], what's yours?" "how are you?" "what are you up to?" "what do you think of [TEAM]" "how's work?" these are oil, social oil. don't be cautious about walking away before the oil runs dry -- walk away immediately from any conversation you suspect is tailing off and you will be regarded as socially skilled and/or high-status.
• treat most human conversation like a dance, like apes' social grooming, rather than anything to do with communication. generally, the more Social the person (NOT the same thing as Sociable), the less capable they are of communication, despite their huge need for human interaction. do not confuse interaction with communication- they are quite different.
• Social humans value time/volume rather than quality.
 
 
Invisible Queen
06:10 / 16.02.06
Well, thank you guys, that's rather thoughtful advice. I'll be doing a bit of the group thing, I'm already involved in a few. True, you meet people there, though it never seems to go beyond the scheduled group activities.

I got my diagnosis when I was 21, four years ago, though we pretty much had it figured out a year earlier.

As for the staring thing, no, I don't dress particularily colorful and I haven't found a place where you'd be expected to. It's just an expression I get on my face, I guess, combined with standing pretty much still for a few minutes.
 
 
Ganesh
06:18 / 16.02.06
True, you meet people there, though it never seems to go beyond the scheduled group activities.

What kinds of groups? It may just take someone to suggest, after the scheduled activities, "anyone fancy going for a drink?"
 
 
Ariadne
06:40 / 16.02.06
And take it slowly. If you do go for a drink after a group meeting, just have a couple and then go home. Then you can do it again in a couple of weeks and let friendships grow naturally. I think when you're lonely it's tempting to push too hard, too fast, and that can alarm people.

Just as an example, I recently met up with someone off another board. I think xe's pretty lonely - hir social skills aren't great. But, you know, xe's ok. But then when we were leaving xe was kind of pushing for us to set an exact date to meet again. And that's a bit off-putting, a bit needy.

So just take it slowly, let things grow.
 
 
Invisible Queen
07:33 / 16.02.06
I like that gender-neutral noun.
 
  
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