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pacha perplexa
19:01 / 14.02.06
Haven't been in the Temple for quite a huge while, but I always come back to it when I'm in big trouble.

I live with a flatmate and we have been seeing quick-vanishing shadows and feeling presences around the house for the past four months. The cat we had has moved away to another house (I saw it the other day at an old lady's), even though we loved it and treated it very well. One day it attacked my hand and really hurt me for no apparent reason. This was right after the huge mirror in the living room fell and broke into pieces.

It now seems to be getting worse and I've realized this thing is tied up to me, in a way. I woke up three times during these months with a shadow standing right beside my bed, as if it was looking at me. Last monday I woke up with weight on my shoulders and the very *clear* impression that someone was kissing my face. And about two weeks ago, at a friend's house, I woke up screaming and scaring everyone to death as I could really feel a hand grabbing my leg.

I had been skeptically denying these events up until the day before yesterday. My boyfriend was sleeping here and started to scream very loudly while dreaming. When I managed to wake him up he said he had, in his dream, seen a shadow of a person forming over my head, right on my side of the bed.

I'm shit scared. I've been sleeping with the lights on, which is ridiculous for a 27 year-old.

In november I consulted with a gypsy woman and, whithout me mentioning all of this, she saw some kind of awful influence in my life (the black bear card, I think) linked to my past, a person that had been dead for a few years (I confirm that). She recommended a few rituals, which I performed dilligently, and said I HAD to put the person's name to be said in nine masses at a church (it's a brazillian religious tradition that they say is good for leading spirits away from the living world). I put it for three masses, and am still waiting for it to work.

Today I bought some incense at the a church (which isn't my faith. But as a former chaos magick practitioner I know things like this incense can be powerful stuff) and am going to try and cleanse the house.

Sorry I wrote such a long post, but I had to explain as best I could. Is there anything you could add to the little I know about spirits, ghosts and about this kind of situation?
 
 
Andrue
19:09 / 14.02.06
I've personally had some pretty intense experiences with spirits/ghosts/etc., but have come to believe that they are merely our own psychic projections into our own world-space. Have you had a big move recently? A lot of change? Just general psychic stressers? Despite whether I'm right or not in this matter, I eventually found that if you choose to believe you have power over the entities, and treat them as such, rather than fearing them, they go away. Next time you see, hear, or feel a presence, try and make mental contact with it. Ask it what it wants, but make sure that when you contact it, you know that you have all of the power in the connection, since you are a true, corporeal entity and whatever these are are merely shades and spectres, either created or controlled by you.
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:30 / 14.02.06
Hey pacha, good to see another Brazilian around here.
Crushes from evil spirits can be very annoying and a bit dangerous. I recomend getting a priest over to bless the house (most churches offer such service) ans leaving some rock salt around the house (which must be changed at least monthly, since they get saturated with bad vibes quite fast, like a filter). If even that does not work, do the whole "novena" (nine masses) or else it won't work...
 
 
Dead Megatron
19:34 / 14.02.06
oh yeah, and don't let fear take the best out of you. Fleshy, living beings are almost always stronger than disincorporated cranky spirits. That's why they clinge to us, actually, we're like a candle, and they are like the moth: they hover around a lot, but it's us who can burn them
 
 
xytar with a Z
23:29 / 14.02.06
A few questions for you pacha:

she (a gypsy woman) saw some kind of awful influence in my life (the black bear card, I think) linked to my past, a person that had been dead for a few years (I confirm that).

Have you been working with the incorporeal lately? It seems you may know this entity? Why are you giving this person power?

as a former chaos magick practitioner

do you still have a practice? or somthing different? why did you go to 'a gypsy woman'?

remember your own connection and power. Remember Laughter.
 
 
pacha perplexa
20:30 / 15.02.06
Thanks for your answers - I'm specially glad that you three reminded me thay the entity is less powerful than me.

Because of this thread, I've been PMed by a old friend from London, whom I think will be of great help for his knowledge in this exact subject. So please don't consider lack of politeness if I take too long to return to the Temple again.

I've personally had some pretty intense experiences with spirits/ghosts/etc., but have come to believe that they are merely our own psychic projections into our own world-space. Have you had a big move recently? A lot of change? Just general psychic stressers?

Hi, Andrue! The thing is, whether they are psychic projections or not, it doesn't matter. I've had some of these symptoms two years ago and tried a psychiatrist because I thought I was a schizophrenic. It was very good, these things seemed to stop for a while and I'm sure it's because I believed for some time they didn't really exist.
Then I quit the treatment (no, I didn't take medication, it was just talk) and the entity/ies are back. I want them out of my life for good, be they real or not, and I don't have the same financial resources I had to begin a new psychological treatment. So I'll take the other route, which I believe is as valid as the former.

Despite whether I'm right or not in this matter, I eventually found that if you choose to believe you have power over the entities, and treat them as such, rather than fearing them, they go away.

I tried the "I'm stronger than you, bastard" approach, and it works... as long as I'm not having any other trouble in my life. It's as if this thing saw the breaches on my defenses, mainly when I'm not feeling so good with myself and with my life.
But it's good to be reminded I'm stronger, it surely helps

Next time you see, hear, or feel a presence, try and make mental contact with it. Ask it what it wants, but make sure that when you contact it, you know that you have all of the power in the connection, since you are a true, corporeal entity and whatever these are are merely shades and spectres, either created or controlled by you.

I know what it wants (hell, I know where it came from, and who it is), and it's no longer a very intelligent thing. It's more like a harmless servitor gone evil and harmful, whose purpose has surpassed its initial will and become distorted. But it's never been a servitor: it was a person, once.

Crushes from evil spirits can be very annoying and a bit dangerous. I recomend getting a priest over to bless the house (most churches offer such service) ans leaving some rock salt around the house (which must be changed at least monthly, since they get saturated with bad vibes quite fast, like a filter). If even that does not work, do the whole "novena" (nine masses) or else it won't work...

Hey, Dead Megatron (Unicron's man), tudo bom? I will definitelly complete the nine masses. It seems more than necessary. Yesterday I bought fumigatory incense (the ones that resemble a bunch small pebbles), used it in all the rooms, and I think the mood in my house seems a little lighter. I'll do it again.

oh yeah, and don't let fear take the best out of you.

You're absolutely right.

Fleshy, living beings are almost always stronger than disincorporated cranky spirits. That's why they clinge to us, actually, we're like a candle, and they are like the moth: they hover around a lot, but it's us who can burn them

Thanks for the reminder!


Have you been working with the incorporeal lately? It seems you may know this entity? Why are you giving this person power?

Hi, xytar! Hey, I'm not "giving" it power. It's taking it from me at this difficult time in my life. I worked with the incorporeal a few years ago, but have always been very careful (banishings, circles, knowing who exactly I'm messing with). And yes, I'm almost sure I know where it came from.


do you still have a practice? or somthing different?

Yes, I still practice magick of several kinds, although not the ceremonial kind.

why did you go to 'a gypsy woman'?

Erm... Because I wanted?

remember your own connection and power. Remember Laughter

I will. Thanks a lot.
 
 
Dead Megatron
20:52 / 15.02.06
I got the feeling you already knew all that was said here, you only needed the reassurance. Well, my pleasure.

I know what it wants (hell, I know where it came from, and who it is), and it's no longer a very intelligent thing. It's more like a harmless servitor gone evil and harmful, whose purpose has surpassed its initial will and become distorted. But it's never been a servitor: it was a person, once.

Poor bastard...
 
 
Andrue
06:18 / 16.02.06
Well, in my experience which is fairly limited and entirely amateur, I've found using physical, living energy to destroy things like that is sometimes the only option. Using whatever you have as an outside energy source, I'm sure that if you can focus, you can channel the energy, direct it, and remove the entity from our plane. I'm not sure if that's what you want, but that's what I've done in the past, and considering the way you've described the entity, it may be for its own good.
 
 
LykeX
09:28 / 16.02.06
Interesting about the whole "real person turned servitor like."

It reminds me of some of the theosophical stuff. They say that after a person dies and the soul (or soul equivalent, I forget the name) moves on, the astral body can remain as a kind of shade of the person, with the same habits and personality, but without the intelligence.

Anyway, good luck with it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:42 / 16.02.06
pacha, I'm everso sorry to hear that you're going through this. How horrible.

I've never had to try and get rid of anything like the presence you describe, so I can't really advise you on what to do. What I might try if I had to do this would be to cleanse the house using whatever methods you prefer. The church incense you bought sounds like a good idea--I like burning mugwort and sage smudge, also salty floor washes with cleansing herbs. Burning candles, perhaps also purchased from the church or dressed with some sort of blessing or cleansing substance, might help.

I might also try telling the presence that it's distressing you and asking it to move on.

Are there any items in particular that you own which remind you of this person, perhaps some of hir posessions? Are there any items that the presence is attracted to? You might think about disposing of these, or at least cleansing them.

You could also think of ways to bring positivity and joy into your dwelling--throwing parties for your friends, bringing home things that have positive associations (fresh flowers, cheering images or ornaments).
 
 
The Natural Way
13:08 / 16.02.06
The weight on yr shoulders/kissing thing is probably sleep paralysis. Sounds exactly like it. Don't know about the rest of it, tho'.
 
 
xytar with a Z
16:29 / 16.02.06
sounds like you know where you are with this.
clean your space/ clear your head.
all is well. be well.
 
  
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