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Naked Flame
12:31 / 24.02.02
It's a cracking idea, and has been much discussed in this thread. I think this would not only help newcomers to the forum but aid group cohesion and focus.

So, let's get it going. Please use this thread either to ask questions or provide concise answers. Feel free to provide references to more complete explorations of your answer: try and keep things down to a paragraph or two in this thread. I offer to collate the info in the thread into a workable FAQ. I'm not for a moment claiming exclusivity on this: in fact it would be far better if we could have a few versions of the document to play with and collectively edit down into something we would all be happy to stand by.... any takers?

Finally, to kick off, some basic initial Q's.

What is a sigil?
How do I know if magic works?
Which system is best for me?
Are you all barking mad?
 
 
Ground Zero
16:23 / 24.02.02
 
 
ciarconn
23:57 / 24.02.02
What relationship is there between CM and other magic theories?
What is the typical structure of a ritual?
What are thoughtforms?
What role do the old gods play in the CM rituals?
What is gnosis? How can it be achieved?
Do I have to forget my rune?
Why are they called runes, like the old ones?

I'll think a few more questions
 
 
Perfect Tommy
08:36 / 25.02.02
Maybe these are really just one question with lots of exposition in the answers...

What's a banishing ritual? What good are they? Does it matter which one I use? If I make my own, what elements should it have in it?

What's a servitor? How is it different from a sigil? Why would I choose to use one over the other?

I probably have more, but they aren't leaping to mind.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:31 / 25.02.02
Questions:
"What is magic?" (this one may just need to provide a bunch of valid defs and let the reader choose which one they like)

"What is the relationship between magic and religion - Do I have to join a religion to practice magic?" (for example: Wicca, Asatru, Voudoun, etc.)

"What is the difference between a paradigm and an ontology and how do they effect magic?" (a few scientists I know really hate the way that the social sciences have appropriated paradigm to mean a way of viewing the world)

And... to add a spin to one of ciarconn's:"What's the difference between Chaos Magic Gnosis and the Gnosis of the Gnostic Christians?"

Glossary items:
Theurgy
Thaumaturgy
Sorcery
'High Magick'
'Low Magick'
Godform
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:47 / 25.02.02
A few tricky ones:

Why does Chaos Magick seem slightly out of date?

Can you really just make stuff up?

Is it dangerous?

Is it irreligious? Will I go to hell?

Are these things real, or is it all in my head?
 
 
grant
18:23 / 25.02.02
One dog's go at answers: please revise, rewrite, correct.

>>>>>>>>

What is a sigil? - A symbolic restatement of a specific intention, executed in such a way that it sneaks under the radar of the conscious mind and heads into the fertile loam of the subconscious/astral plane/whatever to alter reality. The technique was invented by artist & magus Austin Osman Spare around the dawn of the 20th century. See http://www.flyingfists.org/archives/000450.html, http://www.sigilgarden.com/words.html and www.chaosmatrix.org for more information.

How do I know if magic works? – If you give it a spin. Experience is the only reliable teacher.

Which system is best for me? – The one that seems true. The one you can believe in.

Are you all barking mad? – Yes. And you are too. Get used to it.

What relationship is there between CM and other magic theories? – Chaos magick’s central tenet is that all magickal systems are in some way equivalent; there’s enough correspondence between, say, voudou cosmology, theosophy and Silver Surfer comics for the plucky mage to use the bits that ring true and reject the bits that don’t. Chaos mages are the thieving magpies of magickal scholarship. See www.chaosmatrix.org for more.

What is the typical structure of a ritual? – There’s an opening bit (often a banishing or psyching up), a middle bit (entering the magickal mindframe), a statement of intention, a climax of some sort, and then a closing or banishing. It’s the same basic outline as any kind of trip somewhere. You get there, you do something, you get home. Try not to offend anyone while you’re out there; some thoughtforms are tougher than you think.

What are thoughtforms? – entities without physical bodies; anything from a meme (or viral idea) to a spirit, ghost, or deity.

What role do the old gods play in the CM rituals? – As potent archetypes, capable of great feats and miraculous interventions… in return for the proper respect and worship, of course.

What is gnosis? How can it be achieved? – Gnosis is a state of mental openness, when your conscious mind takes temporary leave and lets the unconscious do its thing. It can be achieved through meditation, chanting, dancing, drumming, exercising to exhaustion, withstanding pain, or, most pleasantly, at the moment of orgasm.

Do I have to forget my rune? – Forgetting a sigil is a necessary paradox. Once a sigil has been charged and shot off into the subconscious ether, it needs to act free of conscious (or semi-conscious) interference. Idle thoughts can gum up the works.

Why are they called runes, like the old ones? - ???

What's a banishing ritual? What good are they? Does it matter which one I use? If I make my own, what elements should it have in it? – a banishing ritual is a way of leaving (or entering) magickal consciousness and entering (or leaving) everyday reality. A good, post-ritual banishing sweeps the mental hallways – it’s a way of drawing the act to a close, bringing energy down to an everyday level, of letting your ritual go to do its thing without your conscious interference. Psychologically/spiritually speaking, they’re a matter of good housekeeping more than anything. It doesn’t matter which one you use – some choose to cook a good meal, others choose a ritual bath; some chant and visualize a glowing protective aura, while others simply banish with laughter.

What's a servitor? How is it different from a sigil? Why would I choose to use one over the other? – a sigil is like a scrap of code; a servitor is like a program. A servitor is a magical impulse or thoughtform not fully autonomous, but capable of acting independently in pursuit of its programmed purpose. A sigil to protect a lunchbox is like a wall around the lunchbox; a servitor to protect a lunchbox is like a guard dog chained to that wall.

What is magic? – the art of changing the world in accordance with conscious will.

What is the relationship between magic and religion - Do I have to join a religion to practice magic? (for example: Wicca, Asatru, Voudoun, etc.) – Magick is a set of tools. A religion is a guiding principle, a blueprint. Both operate on a spiritual level, but the one shouldn’t be mistaken for the other.

What is the difference between a paradigm and an ontology and how do they affect magic? – an ontology is a worldview, an essential understand of the way things are. A paradigm is basically the same thing, although some define it in “smaller” terms, as a subset of an ontology; for example, “an ethical paradigm” or “a dietary paradigm.” The business of magick is the business of changing your ontology – changing the rules of reality, the way things are, with conscious direction.

What's the difference between Chaos Magic Gnosis and the Gnosis of the Gnostic Christians? – Magickal gnosis typically refers to a mental state of emptiness or openness, like the mind-blowing moment of orgasm or the quiet serenity in the depth of a meditative trance. The term was borrowed from the Gnostics, who use it to mean “knowledge” in the sense of intuitive truth, perceived with the inner eye despite the inherently distracting nature of the world. For more on Gnosticism, see www.enemies.com , a vastly informative site.

Glossary items:
Theurgy – magick invoking, evoking or otherwise calling on some force or entity exterior to the magician; for example, praying that Shiva protects your lunchbox, or summoning an elemental to protect the lunchbox.
Thaumaturgy – magick using the magician’s own will in relation to the universe; for example, creating a sigil to protect the lunchbox or divining the lunchbox’s future with tarot cards.
Sorcery - ???
'High Magick' – usually ritual magick, typically (but not always) theurgic in bent. Think of a group of robed figures, chanting in a foreign tongue. Can also be used to refer to “white magick” or “right hand path” – magick as generally benign pagan religion. An arbitrary division.
'Low Magick' – pejoratively called “kitchen magick,” often practiced by individuals for personal ends, rather than a community practice for communal ends. Can be used to refer to “black magick” or “left hand path” – magick as a tool to achieve “selfish” ends. An arbitrary division.
Godform – a postmodern way to think about a deity, as an archetypal figure rather than a specific, superpowered individual. Less “man with beard and trident” and more “essence of tridented beardedness.”

Why does Chaos Magick seem slightly out of date? – Because it was popular in the 80s & early 90s. Y’know, when the kids started putting up the psychedelic fractal posters and talking about how Chaos Theory was gonna turn the world of science on its head. Science, as always, marches implacably on. So does fashion.

Can you really just make stuff up? – Yes. As long as what you make up is true.

Is it dangerous? – What isn’t dangerous nowadays?

Is it irreligious? Will I go to hell? – No. Well, probably not. If you’re a Bible literalist, then it’d be a good idea not to summon any spirits of the dead or worship any gods before Jehovah. But angels and saints are OK, and even the Levites (Old Testament priests) practiced divination.

Are these things real, or is it all in my head? – Does the difference really matter?

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grant
12:12 / 26.02.02
Somebody has to clarify the High/Low Left-hand/Right-hand splits - I did horrible on those.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:19 / 26.02.02
I thought you had it right. They're arbitrary. They stink of class and sexual stratififcation.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:28 / 26.02.02
No, really, I know it's a bit of a bugbear around here, but, while they may well lead to the same place, they ARE different approaches, w/ different emphases.

I like yr original suggestions for FAQs, Nick. I hardly ever post on this forum because it's so Chaos oriented and I just carny be bothered to try fucking w/ it. I'm not a big believer in "just make any old shit up" etc., so I dig the idea of FAQs that take a more *questioning* approach.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
12:53 / 26.02.02
The more I think about it, the more I think there's room for an I-FAQ. Or FAQs about different areas, like CM and Trad Heremetic. Otherwise we end up with a sprawling edifice which automatically defaults to CM because it presents all of the answers as equally valid.

I also think it's worth stressing the 'technical excellence' angle a bit more than people seem to. The smart thing about CM was that it was done the same amount of thought and care as any other school.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
17:02 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by grant:
Somebody has to clarify the High/Low Left-hand/Right-hand splits - I did horrible on those.


I think they look pretty good. Any more clarification and it'll start to become an essay.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
17:04 / 26.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Nick:

I also think it's worth stressing the 'technical excellence' angle a bit more than people seem to.


Yes! While I appreciate the 'All life is magic' and 'I don't do magic, magic just happens' attitudes it takes a lot of work and dedication.

If it were really that easy to do magic, no matter what the tradition, more people would naturally be doing it.
 
 
Logos
09:00 / 27.02.02
Well, come to that, most people are doing it at some level. Just like most people are doing art at some level. It's just that to do "work" requires a bit more focus and ingenuity. </digression>

Incidentally, I recently came across the old alt.magick FAQ at The Lucky Mojo Curio Company, which also has a lot of interesting resources, and which takes a somewhat different philosophical perspective on all this stuff than one is apt to get from our crowd.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
09:00 / 27.02.02
I've always liked Lucky Mojo. And Cat Yronwode is a pretty cool lady.
 
 
grant
14:29 / 27.02.02
Scout!

In her honor:

* What's the difference between voodoo, hoodoo, santeria, and candomble? Is there one?

On a related note:

* What is Hermeticism?

* What is Thelema?

* What is shamanism?

* What is Wicca?

* What is the IOT?


somebody, answer those, please!
 
 
The Monkey
18:36 / 27.02.02
Okay...it''s easiest to start with what is the same...may just drag in webpages to thrash out what is different.

Voodoo, etc. are all magico-religious structures developed within the framework of the African Diaspora, and specifically within the plantation-slave and maroon cultures of the Caribbean and South America, and, to a lesser extent, the cotton-producing South...which is an interesting case that needs to be explored seperately.

While there is a great deal of contention regarding the precise derivative composition of the seperate religions, it is generally understood that all of these religions synthesize together elements of various African relgious structures and Christianity, mostly Catholicism.
South America can be differentiated from the Caribbean in that the belief and practice systems of the native peoples were also thrown into the mix. Given that Taino, Carib, and all other indigenous cultures were wiped out within fifty years of the beginning of colonization, no such claim can be verified for the Caribbean, although speculation ensues endlessly.

There is equal contention about the African source-derivatives. African slaves were drawn from all along the sub-Saharan west coast of Africa, representing hundreds of seperate cultures. Like pre-Christian Europe, there was an overlap between the generalized structures of each culture's religions. Further confounding the question of derivation is the fact that slaves were intentional seperated from others of the same tribal group, to insure confusion and lack of organized resistance during and after transpor. The seperate Afro-Caribbean religions may represent the attempts of different slave communities, composed of cultural and linguistically diverse individuals, to establish a common "language" of ritual practice...each individual recognizing the homologies in the ritual activities of others, and then attempting to negotiate and resolve the similarities and differences between metaphysics.

The nomenclature, cosmetic, and praxal differences between the very similar-seeming body of Afro-Caribbean religions may be the result of how seperate island communities [and communities within the islands] generated a shared religious identity, and the demographics of what proportion of slaves came from where.

The most obvious African kin of Caribbean religions are the practices of the Yoruba and the Fon, confederations/kingdoms both from the Gold/Slave Coast of West Africa. Indeed, Yoruba and santero nomenclature are almost identical, while Voodoo seems to draw more of it terminology from Dahomeian practices.

Terminologically, it can also be noted that the language of the colonizer/slaver-owner has profoundly effected the divisions in Caribbean religion. Voodoo is a product of Haiti, and reflects this in its Francophone Creole, while Santeria is Cuban in in origin and Spanish-Creole in language. In Brazil, as well as the rest of S. America, the language of candomble and lesser-known syncretic religions is marked by Yoruba, local indigenous languages [Quechua, Aymara, etc.], and Portugese/Spanish.

The impact of Catholicism must also be recognized: it is interesting to note the typified "syncretic Afro-Caribbean religion" occurred laregly in Catholic colonies...those of Franch, Portugal, and Spain. The parity between the functional domains of saints and martyrs and the specialization of intercessor-spirits [loa, orisha], and the inaccessibility of G-d through direction communication were points of union between African religion and Catholicism. In Protestant colonies, such as those of Britain and the Dutch, slave-maroon religion tended to manifest differently, although candomble and other creole religions were eventually imported through cultural circulation.

Metaphysical similarities:

1) G-d is big, G-d is far away.

Oblatala, Gran Mait...whatever the term. The initiator of the universe is too big, transcends understanding, and is this above day-to-day concerns. G-d is worshipped not because of what he can do for you in a functional sense, but out of reverence for his absoluteness. In many Caribbean religions, this is why you go to [Catholic] church on Sunday. Interestingly though, G-d is paradoxically morally blank to the micro-events of the universe, but ultimately good, given that existence exists and all.


2) Between Man and G-d are intercessors

G-d handles the big stuff...but who's there to help you out with the day-to-day? In pretty much all Caribbean religion, there exists a hierarchy of spirit-forms that can help or hinder the practioner with any and all undertakings.

The best known are the pantheon of "intermediates," or, as I like to think of them, "toolbox spirits." These the orisha, loa, etc. depending on which group you ask. Invisibles readers will be familiar with Guede/Ghede, to whom Jim Crow is a
cheveaux (horse). These spirits possess specialist domains in which they can help the invoker...love, farming, violence, etc. Over time, these spirit-forms fuse, conjugate, and bud, like one-celled organisms, creating new-yet-still-part-of-the-old spirit-forms that govern sub-domains, or appropriate new ideas. Thus Ghede has seven or eight aspects that monopolize different aspects of his meme kingdom. These figures are considered synonymous with the pantheon of Catholic saints, given the obvious functional similarity. While some pairing are uncontested - like Ghede as Saint Barbara - there are sometimes debates about which intercessor is which saints, if not more than one.

There is also a reverence of ancestor spirits, and necessary banishings of evil ones. In candomble and more of the traditions with indigenous American influences, there further gradations of nature and animal spirits, etc., often not clearly organized into a reified pantheon.

3) Reciprocal Exchange - Family Relations and Trade Relations

To invoke [or appease] a loa [orisha, etc.]is to engage in a kind of spiritual barter-economics. You have to offer something to get something. Appropriate categories of "gifts" for favors are often pre-codified as personality traits of the spirit-form...Ghede likes rum and sweet things, Yemaya like sea-shells, etc.

Specific tasks require specific types of gifts, generally with a proportional exchange rate. Often a priest-figure [houngan, babalwo] will set the price for a request.

What complicates the exchange process is that the spirit-forms are socially intertied, and have amours and spats, just like the Greek gods. So not only do you have to appease the spirit-form you're trading with, but any competitor/affiliate that might take offense. For example, in Voodoo, all rituals must begin with an invocation of Legba, the opener of ways - otherwise, he would keep the routes of communication to the other loa shut, and nothing would be achieved.

Continuing in the intellectual vein of the "reciprocal" exchange meme, there exists a specialized relationship, where the worshipper is adopted by a spirit-form, and officially becomes an initiate of that particular cult: trade relation become a familial one. This generates priviledges/guarantees for the initiate, but also ritual responsibilities. Additionally, initiates are almost exclusively "ridden" by their "owner" spirit-forms. But within the special relationship of being a "child" or "horse" of a spirit-form, one must tend first to one's master, lest they get offended adn whup you like your mama used to.

4) Horses and Mounting

The single feature of Caribbean religion that is the most noticable, most characteristic, is the process of ritual possession that takes place at mass celebration. Most commonly, this phenomenon is referred to as "mounting" or "riding."
This event is the intersection of my previous bits about trade and family, because the process of being "mounted" by a loa [etc.] is at once both.

It is a familial relationship in that it marked a bond of affection and attention between "horse" and "loa": the latter has decided to attend to the former. As mentioned prior, loa generally corral their "horses," and become upset or agitated when a favorite is mounted by someone else.

On the other side of things, the loa is extracting value in the form of material experience...something that it is deprived of in it's general state. Mounted individuals tend to engage in extravagent behaviors...excess eating, drinking, smoking, fighting, flirting, dancing, etc....as the spirit-forms plays with the limits of the physical form, and attempts to pack in as many sensations as possible into a short time.

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The Monkey
19:05 / 27.02.02
Voodoo is from Haiti. This pages has a good summary and links: Ici.

Candomble is from Brazil. I known nothing specific, except that there are mutiple different sects {Macumba, etc.]. An article summaryhere

Santeria is from Cuba. It is also referred to as La Regla Lucumi. This link is an excellent FAQ called OrishaNet

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captain piss
19:30 / 27.02.02
What role is played by sacrifice?

Do I have to annhilate my ego? How?

What's the relevance of physical systems like yoga and martial arts?

What about kharma?
 
 
The Monkey
19:33 / 27.02.02
I can't do better than the lukcy mojo description of Hoodoo, which emphasizes how it isn't Vodoun, although shares bits and pieces with, as welll as Western folk magic.

lookee here

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cusm
19:59 / 27.02.02
Why are they called runes?

Mostly, due to confusion of terms. Runes refer specificly to the Norse and old Germanic systems of writing and magical use of the letter system known as the Futhark. This term is sometimes mistakenly applied to sigels, as sigels are often written and can resemble letters.
 
 
The Monkey
20:10 / 27.02.02
A great way to start a switchblade fight amongst anthropologists is to yell the word "shamanism!" Then back away and open up an umbrella.
 
 
cusm
20:11 / 27.02.02
Glossary:

Sorcery - Attempting to cause change by your will or personal power alone, often through use of sigels. SOURCE-ry

High Magic - usually ritual or ceremonial magic

Low Magic - includes psionics, and "energy work", unstructured, unconscious, or spontaneous magic.

We might want to describe Left Hand separately as specificly selfish or "dark" magics or demonology, rather than include that into the "low" magic definition.
 
 
The Monkey
20:45 / 27.02.02
shaman:

1) The Lapp...or was it Aleut...term for "the guy who asks the spirits where the caribou went."

2) Old catch-all anthropological term for a ritual worker who deals with spirits...natural and/or dead...for a client/community, and generally does spooky stuff.
Generally applied in a rather pedantic, biased fashion to forager religion, but applied to certain more technologically developed contexts as a niche specialization, ie. Korea, Japan. All in all, a rather sketchy term, overlaps with terms like "medium" and "medicine man."

3) Starshyne found there just wasn't enough "spooky" value in being a witch anymore.

shamanism:

1) Highly ambiguous anthropological term for a cross-section of roughly comparable religious/magical practices amongst indigenous peoples [typically preindustrial, if not preagricultural] that involve:

.some knowledge of indigenous medical theory - ethnopharmacology, etc.
.ritual training, credentials, and implements that allow communication with "spirits," both for the purposes of banishment/exorcism and information divination
.potential mediation in social disputes
.a specialized position of counseling authority within the leadership structure of the community...an interpreter of "law" or "taboo"
.being a valve providing communication between the spirits and humans of a community [totems, ancestors, fetishes]

2) In the post-Castaneda, et al., era, anyone who practices magical forms/rituals that they perceive to provide a connection or communication to an embodied "Nature" and its subcomponent biomorphic spirit-forms.
 
 
The Monkey
09:07 / 28.02.02
karma:

1) in a Vedic, Hindu context, the merit [punya] accumulated during life by obeisance to one's obligations as set out by one's dharma. The accumulation/degradation of karma determines one's progression through the wheel of incarnation, samsara, in a series of movements along a chain of higher and lower births. In some versions, it also determines how long your stopover between births is in heaven or hell.
The pinnacle of achievement it to acquire sufficient punya to trascend samsara, denying the egoistic self-image and attaining universality and oneness with the Supreme Being [Nirguna Brahman, "the god without qualities]. In traditional Hinduism, this can only be attained by a full progression through the stages and duties of life - childhood [shishya], marriage and children [grhastha], retirement and the setting of affairs in order [vanaprastha] - all while being dutiful, humble, just, etc. Having fulfilled all of these requirements, one becomes sannyasin [renouncer] abandons all possessions, takes a new name, and lives by begging until death.

2) in a Buddhist sense, the same thing, except that one's dharma is not set by context, role, and birth, but rather by the universal precepts of the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path.

3) in modern colloquia, a "cosmic scoreboard," upon which "good" and "bad" actions - in the Western valuative sense - are scored, resulting (depending on who you ask) in an eventual reciprocal payback. Akin to, and bowdlerized from, the Law of Threefold Return.

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The Monkey
09:17 / 28.02.02
dharma:

1) obnoxious TV character

2) in Buddhism, the concept of "right action" and "right thought" as laid out in the Four Truths and the Eightfold Path

3) in Hinduism, the sum of one's responsibilities and duties, as laid out by one's caste, social position, profession, family, etc. What is "right" is to act as expected of your societal positions [man, woman, Brahmin, Untouchable, king, priest, shoemaker, sweeper, father, husband, wife, mother...etc. ad infinitum] and thus reinforce interdependence. The schemas of what is "right" are codified in various Sanskrit documents, but are also subject to microscopic interpretations.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
09:17 / 28.02.02
[Stupid, Stupid Monkeys], I think there is an article for Tom somewhere in that Voodoo post.

The Magick could use some more articles.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
09:17 / 28.02.02
quote:Originally posted by cusm:
Glossary:

Sorcery - Attempting to cause change by your will or personal power alone, often through use of sigels. SOURCE-ry


Also, used by many occultists and anthropologists as a term for 'evil' magical practice.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
09:17 / 28.02.02
Threefold Return, Law of:

"Mind the Threefold Law you should,
Three time bad and three times good."

From the practice of Wicca as detailed by Gerald Gardner after an alledged initiation in 1939; the notion that the nature of your actions is returned upon you magnified by a factor of three, so that evil actions are punished and good ones rewarded. A version of the Categorical Imperative with notional teeth, but like other forms of divine justice, one whose effects are notoriously difficult to detect.
 
 
The Monkey
23:22 / 28.02.02
Lothar - will think about it...happen to be taking a Caribbean culture class right now, and have done some papers in the past about Santeria and Vodoun ceremonies.

Question to the Round table: Perhaps the FAQ should be split into a FAQ and a glossary/lexicon/encyclopedia...coupled with a bibliography and a webdex. A lot of the incoming question would seem to be best answered in the form of a definition, rather than a Q&A format.

druid and druidism:

1) a religious sect native to the British Isles, described by Roman historians and scholars, beginning with Julius Caesar in 55BC. Following the conquest of Britain in the reign of Emperor Claudius, Druidic practice was viewed as a site of active resistance, and suppressed.

Being the only depiction of organized Celtic religion in pre-Roman Europe that historians possess, the Druids have become a modern focal point of popular interest. However, almost nothing is known about there practices beyond the cosmetic, biased, and decidedly hegemonic descriptions of the Romans, who provide us with an image of a male "theurgic" order that circulated freely amongst the competing Saxon tribes of Britannia, dwelt and practiced their rituals in open-air, natural settings - groves - and performed animal, and sometimes human, sacrifices. The modern image of the druid as a bearded man in white robes, carrying a sickle as a ritual implement is derived directly from the descriptions of Caesar, and later, Livy and other Roman gazetteers.

It is unclear how the Druids intertied with the larger corpus of Britannic, as well as Celtic, pre-Christian religious practices, or even how long the category existed prior to Roman invasion. While modern depiction - take, for example, the Asterix comics of France - tend to represent Druids as serving the same functions as a village pastor, it is also possible that they were a specialized order, set in contrast to a localized, community theurgy; or may have been a "mystery sect" comparable to the Romans Isis and Mithras cults.

2) One product of the Irish-based "Celticist" movement of the latter half of the 19th century was a revival and reconstruction of Druidic practices by nationalists and scholars. The reinvention of druidism was strongly intertwined with the Irish independence movement, the reintroduction of Gaelic as a native language, and the larger academic project of recovering and asserting a wholly Irish-Celtic past, present and future, independent of British cultural and econo-political imperialism. Although much of the actual formulation and codification of the religion was done by little-known academics, many at Cambridge, Oxford, and Dublin, two prominent names associated in this project were W.B. Yeats and Lady Charlotte Guest, who provided accessible translations for much of the ancient Gaelic texts. Lady Jane Franscesca Wilde, mother of Oscar, was also affiliated.

While never reaching the prominence of some of the other, contemporaneously-founded practices, such as and Gardenarian Wicca and spiritualism, Neodruidism continues to have a strong following in the British Isles, Europe, and even the United States.

Reconstructed Druidism draws primarily upon early Christian-era Irish and Welsh texts, such as the Book of Kells, the Tain Bo Culange, and the Mabinogion. The traditions of the Bardic colleges of Ireland, which echoed a pre-Christian past in it rituals and training, were also drawn upon. The more magickal and praxal aspects of Druidism clearly sample the Hermetic, Roman, and Hellenic traditions, as well as import elements of Native American rituals described in Victorian monographs and gazettes.

Reconstructed praxis has eliminated the blood-sacrifice aspects of Druidism - indeed, many practitioners now are vegetarians or vegans - but certain cosmetic features, such as the construction of groves and the wearing of robes, have carried through. A broad variety of Celtic deities are revered, although it seems that particular reverence are given to Awen - goddess of inspiration, apt given their closed bardic affiliations - and the sun.

Here is an exceptionally well-put-together link.
 
 
The Monkey
23:45 / 28.02.02
Right and Left -Hand Paths:

In overview, the body is the first, and most easily transmittable, metaphor for abstract concepts. In an immense variety of metaphysical descriptions, the distinction "right" versus "left" is applied to divergent methologies of practice within a [amorphously] singular system. The metaphor is exceptionally tidy.

Our hands are the means by which we manipulate objects. Furthermore, with the spine as the line of symmetry, "right" and "left" sides are proportionally equal, but inverses of one another. The distinction of similarity-of-end, yet contrast-of-path is thus neatly mapped onto the corpus.

What constitutes the "right/left" diad, though varies from system to system, being deployed both in religious description and in magickal praxis.

In rough breakdown, the right/left distinction is most prominent in the overarching European canon - from
Hermeticism to New Age and in the South Asian matrix of Hinduism/Buddhism.
The Daoist/East-Asian diad of Yin-Yang is affiliated, but dealt with elsewhere.

In the European case, it is best to think in terms of the Latin, which rapidly clarifies the underlying presumptions of the diad:
right is dexter, left is sinister. Implicit in the root formation of dexter are connotations of correctness, intelligence, and morality. sinister carries precisely the same semantic load that it does in English: wrong, concealing, amoral. In Hellenic and Roman societies, left-handedness was, in fact, associated with the latter character traits, and left-handers were thus stigmatized.

In the Hermetic and Gnostic contexts, and to a lesser degree, other, newer European-derived texts, the "right-hand path" signifies the "good" and righteous way, in an explicitly Christian moral sense. One is trafficking with the "good" powers and forces in the universe. By contrast the "left-hand path" signifies both ritual exercises - sacrifices, blood work, etc.- and evocation of evil and unclean forces: demons, devils, spirits of the dead.

In the modern age, with the proliferation of "pagan' groups whose praxis is derived from Hermetic sources, the distinction has become less of a calcified binary, and more of a distinction of intent.

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The Monkey
00:06 / 01.03.02
In South Asia, the right/left diad is best understood in terms of the functionality of the hands in South Asian culture: in short form, you eat food with your right hand, clean your ass after defecation with the left. One is pure, the other impure.

The right/left diad in Hinduism and Buddhism is a split between orthodoxy and Tantrism. The orthodox form of both religions postulate a gradual progression to enlightenment - nirvana/moksha - through the process of maintaining greater and greater levels of spiritual purity; which corresponds to release from material existence, dematerialization on multiple levels. All of these goals can me pursued while maintaining a normal life. "Right" is thus a function of the slow-and-steady status quo, and the implicit purity of that life-system. It transcends the material to locate the spiritual.
Tantra, in contrast, pursues enlightenment, power, and immortality in an aggressive, immediate fashion. A Tantric does not wish to wait until death, but rather continually grasps for fragmentary contacts with the universal, over and over. The methology is both antisocial and extremophile. oscillations and interminglings between the absolute limits of impurity and austerity. It's "left" orientation represents its antisocial nature [which sometimes encompasses immoral acts], its impatience and impurity. It is the position of finding the spiritual within the material.

It is notable that since Aleister Crowley's active importation of Hindu and Tantric concepts into the Western magickal canon, the seperation of these two structures of right/left have become blurred.

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Model 7
08:36 / 01.03.02
This is a great thread! Thanks all for giving such a good, concise insight into things. Very helpful and informative.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
12:20 / 01.03.02
quote:Originally posted by [stupid, stupid monkeys]:

Question to the Round table: Perhaps the FAQ should be split into a FAQ and a glossary/lexicon/encyclopedia...coupled with a bibliography and a webdex. A lot of the incoming question would seem to be best answered in the form of a definition, rather than a Q&A format.


After reading over this thread I'm leaning towards a fairly simiple and straight forward FAQ for magical novices that links to the other sections you mentioned above. (i.e., "For more complete information please check out the Barbelith Magick Encyclopaedia")

I agree that most of the questions are more definition based I just want to make sure that complete newbies don't come along and get turned off by digital reams of info that they aren't necessarily interested in. Yet.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
12:34 / 01.03.02
Here's a Devil's Advocate FAQ question based upon the above def's by [SSM] (which I agree with... they just show the complexity of the history of the terms and magic in question)

"Wait a minute. I thought you said I didn't have to join a religion to practice magic. What's with all the religious terminology like 'Karma', 'Dharma', 'Buddhism', 'Taoism', etc.?"

And a subsequent question: "I'm not attracted to Chaos Magick, what other tradtions/systems are more focused on doing magic and not on adhering to religious beliefs?"

The answer to which may revolve around the choice between solitary practice (where you can choose how much religion to put into your practice) and group practice (where you will have to deal with the consensus beliefs of the group in question).
 
  

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