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Reincarnation

Less searchable M0rd4nt

10:22 / 21.02.02

I was talking about this the other day with a freind of mine and it got me wondering. I don't have any opinion on re-incarnation one way or the other, but I was a little curious as to what people here reckoned on the subject. Thoughts/experiences?

10:34 / 21.02.02

Hmm...I don't buy it. But not because it isn't plausible, but because I don't think that the structure of the universe allows for "reincarnation." Let me put this differently, under the way I understand existence the whole idea of reincarnation is an illformed and meaningless variation of what actually is occurring with respect to life and death. So for me it's not about believing or disbelieving in it; rather, I've come to see through it.

m3

10:34 / 21.02.02

For awhile I was into the whole Krishna deal, its an interesting subject - past lifes etc. although some people dismiss it now due to the population, can't remember the exact theory but its along the lines of there being too many people alive now....

Wonder if anyone on here has had past life regression...

I used to believe in it, now my feeling on afterlife have changed alot and to be honest I don't know what I believe anymore....

just done a quick search and found another message board talking about it, I think the most interesting thing on it is actually the guy talking about deja vu but thats another thing altogether (maybe

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Another board !

how about you though Mordant, do you believe in it?

One thing I do find interesting though is the stories of young children telling their parents stories about them when they were younger and then the parents checking out the stories and finding out that the people really did excist..

lots of info on it here - Childrens past lifes....

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10:51 / 21.02.02

I was regresed hypnotically when I whan 16. Weird experience. Helped me to see that I had been a sour, total looser most of my past lifes. In a way, I felt motivated to be better.

After all these years, I believe it's more like imprinting on past egos/personalities. They stay somewhere (the Akashic records? Genetic memmories?) and when you summon them, you call those that are nearer to your experience in your present life. That sounds better according to my present experiences.

11:11 / 21.02.02

I'm way more interested in the life I'm living right now than any past lives I may or may not have lived before.

The Natural Way

12:43 / 21.02.02

Better smile and wink about that, then.

12:52 / 21.02.02

I used to have ideas that I was specific people throughout history. Now I think I've been everybody the whole time.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

12:52 / 21.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Ierne:
I'm way more interested in the life I'm living right now than any past lives...

Absolutely, but I'm still curious. I've read pretty widely on the topic and haven't come to any firm conclusions, so I just thought it would be interesting to see what people here had to say about it.

13:12 / 21.02.02

It wasn't my intention to offend anyone in my previous post – sorry if I did. I meant to put my opinion on the matter across in as concise a manner as possible.

To expand slightly, I think that many folks use reincarnation theories as a means to avoid dealing with present issues. One can spend more time concentrating on what happened in the past and how it affects the present than actually doing something about the present situation.

That certainly won't be the case with everyone who makes use of past life regressions, but I've seen it used too often as a crutch for erratic behavior patterns.

15:52 / 21.02.02

I don't know about regressions, its too easy under hypnosis to fantasize up elaborate past lives given suggestions, or even to make actual contact with a spirit, tap into the akashic record, or similar mystical theory that explains the memory other than the soul having actually lived it. So, the jury is out on that one.

I do believe that one's energy is recycled, the same way the molecules in my body may once have made up parts of dung beatles in ancient Egypt. How much of ego and psyche is preserved this way is a more difficult question.

Regardless, I plan to give a go at the white rite anyway when my time comes. Who knows, someone in the future might find my sigel and experience a rush of memory from the lurking imprints of my former ego and shout out "I live! Again!" in a dramatic mummyesqe fashon. Its worth a shot. I figure

20:03 / 21.02.02

I have enough time figuring out what I mean by things like "the past," and answering questions like "what is life?" to have any hope of putting them together.

Unless, of course, the children's past lives thing is legit.

13:30 / 25.02.02

I highly second the opinions of both Ierne and cusm.

I've met at least three people who are convinced that they were all Cleopatra in a previous life.

In many cultures (especially ones that engaged in shamanism) the concept of multiple souls or multiple parts of the entire soul (whichever semantics you prefer) within life was held as true.

Upon death one soul part may merge with divinity, one soul part may become an ancestor spirit (which may or may not enter a type of 'resting ground' or 'heaven'), one soul part may become an angry lost ghost (which may also be controlled by sorcerous practitioners), and one soul part may reincarnate. Powerful shamans or magicians also have aspects that are very similar to the traditional ancestor spirit except that they will 'merge' with their descendants (if they are following in their magical footsteps) adding their power to the descendents.

The specifics are differnent in different cultures but the thing I like about the general model is that it doesn't exclude afterlife beliefs, it includes them.

My girlfriend's son was asked in school what he thought of death. His ideas of reincarnation was that when you die and are say placed in the ground, the worms would eat you and you would live on in the worms since you provided food for the worms. Then the worms would get eaten by birds and you would live on in the birds, etc. etc.

I thought that was pretty cool too.

[ 25-02-2002: Message edited by: Lothar Tuppan ]

17:34 / 25.02.02

I was talking to a person in a dream recently about this,and about the Barbelith identity KS.
In this latest developement,I learned that as far as past lives are concerned ,it is important that the dreaming person (unconscios id,self-plex,blah,blah) realises that they are not any one single entity,but are part of an independent continuing entity.
I agree on the idea of there being no actual proof of this pudding,but I would reiterate Iernes notion of the sheer uselessness of this information in ones current life,unless you have a good visual memory and can cash in on your experiences,which few seem to do.The best you can do is try to remember these experiences through dreams,then waken and work to bring those dreams into reality.
So it all feeds back into itself like a big chocolate filled Moebius Doughnut.

02:16 / 26.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
...when you die and are say placed in the ground, the worms would eat you and you would live on in the worms since you provided food for the worms. Then the worms would get eaten by birds and you would live on in the birds, etc. etc.

quote:Originally posted by cusm:
...energy is recycled, the same way the molecules in my body may once have made up parts of dung beatles in ancient Egypt.

quote:Originally posted by kobol strom:
So it all feeds back into itself like a big chocolate filled Moebius Doughnut.

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16:52 / 26.02.02

quote:Originally posted by cusm:

I do believe that one's energy is recycled, the same way the molecules in my body may once have made up parts of dung beatles in ancient Egypt. How much of ego and psyche is preserved this way is a more difficult question.

Sounds a lot like the Buddhist idea of rebirth, which I like a lot more than the idea of reincarnation. Mainly because of all that "soul" buisness.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

16:56 / 26.02.02

Yayy! k.s.! Good to see ya again.

(Off topic? Moi?)

19:11 / 26.02.02

Hi!

What I personally believe about reincarnation/life after death is an almost impossible question to answer,when I think about it.The reason being that I can't be sure any more if what I have seen and can remember is really valid,or if it is another simple trick of the mind to make me a nice balanced consumer.Some of the best 'flashbacks' that I've had about reincarnation involve typical dream scenarios,but some of the patterns of distinctly 'other' dreams definitely fall into and out of Quabbalistic frameworks(I don't know why).
Its when you recieve premonitory visions and other insights about the coming day,-with regularity,that you start to be able to discern between having a 'dream',and a 'vision',but its not perfect.
-If I held the belief that announcing my predictions about the future would help to stop it come about ,it would be a pain in the neck for everyone because half of it would be a dream.-My point is,its the same with the past.The visions can be equal parts wish fulfillment as insight.
However,the mind produces aspects of randomness in thought patterns - anything can happen in a dream -and those apparently random,semi-controllable dreams give way to a second-state of awareness,where your own mind(or another entity) decides that it would be in your own interests to stop faffing about in dreamland, -AND NOW WATCH THIS UNRELATED EVENT THAT WILL HAPPEN IN A REALITY NEAR YOU....-
Sometimes you could cut the two levels of awareness with a knife,but because I live a bit of a nomadic life,I tend to see myself doing my own typical things in the near future.Funnily enough,the visions are that clear sometimes that I see my self smiling and staring into space.Naturally because at that point in the future I am remembering that I saw myself in a dream doing what I will be doing in the future.Harmless really.

Oh yeah,I always look GREAT!

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