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Larry the Cable Guy - funny comedian, or racist homophobe?

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
07:50 / 27.02.06
Yeah, but look how ready people are on Barbelith, supposed hotbed of progressive liberals, to throw around terms like "rednecks and/or white trash" - Fun With Phobias definitely has a point.
 
 
illmatic
08:06 / 27.02.06
Flyboy - do you not think that that usage of language is the exception, rather than the rule? And that's its challenged when it arises?
 
 
penitentvandal
08:56 / 27.02.06
It's also where Bill Hicks died (or the last place he lived before going home to die).

Well then it's obvious isn't it...Hicks faked his own death and came back as Larry the Cable Guy in order to take the piss out of the very audiences that ignored him throughout his career.

Christ. He'd do that, too, if he was able to.
 
 
matthew.
14:38 / 27.02.06
to throw around terms like "rednecks and/or white trash"

The audience of Larry the Cable Guy would proudly identify themselves by these terms or worse. It's like Mr. Kotter's kids calling themselves "Sweathogs" -> it's not pleasant-sounding but it's self-identity. I only use these terms because they proudly call themselves that.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:45 / 27.02.06
I was quoting night train, matt. Nevertheless, do you never distinguish between the use of a term by a group to describe themselves, and the use of the same term as a slur by people outisde that group?
 
 
grant
15:02 / 27.02.06
Actually, I kind of thing that's exactly what Matt was getting at... Larry the Cable Guy's part of the massively successful Blue Collar Comedy Tour, alongside Jeff Foxworthy, who basically turned "redneck" into a brand.

As in, (almost) everything the guy sells has "redneck" in the title. It's not like a throwaway descriptor -- it's a self-definition. His line of calendars consist of 365 pages of "You might be a redneck if..." jokes.


It's more than a badge of pride -- it's hard to discuss them without using the term.
 
 
ibis the being
15:21 / 27.02.06
Man, they have rednecks up north, too. Talk the same way. In Vermont, Ohio, wherever. It's not a southern thing.

Which just happens to be a David Cross joke - he does a bit on how rural people all over the country mysterious have the same accent.

Larry the Cable Guy - never seen him, never heard or read him. All I know about him I just read in Cross's letter. I didn't even realize he was the originator of "Git 'er Done." I love David Cross though. Although I was a little sad that he took a potshot at Dane Cook.
 
 
illmatic
17:20 / 27.02.06
I was quoting night train, matt.

Whoops. My error. I thought you were quoting from another thread, Fly and I was sure that some people would challenge whoever-it-was. Perhaps not, eh.

Note to self: read threads before posting.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
04:38 / 28.02.06
First: there's an old Headshop thread on anti-intellectualism here which I think is relevant, and useful for defining the term. Another thread here. If I can find the time in the next couple of days I'm going to try to work up a response and bump the first one, but no guarantees.

Matt sez: You know, Fun With Phobias, I think you have a point here. But my problem with the audience is that they are morons for believing the hype. I know there are smart people in the south. I'm sure they exist. When these smart people dig themselves a "stupid" trench and nestle in there good, that's when Larry wins and the rest of the world loses.

Quick aside- what exactly do you mean by 'believing the hype'? Do you mean buying into his act even though it's clearly just that, an act? The fact that his audience pays too much to see him and for his merchandise?

Second- the main point- I think it's horribly unproductive and divisive to make blanket statements about his audience calling them 'morons' for liking his act, or, indeed, to assume that all of them are anti-intellectual in some way. (Is your friend who went to see him anti-intellectual? The people I know who appear to like Larry- or at least say 'git-er-done' every so often- haven't shown any signs of it.) At best it's simply generalizing, but at worst I think it's demonstrating the very 'snobbery' and 'elitism' which it seems Larry and the anti-intellectual crowd object to. It's what I object to about him and it's what I object to about the response here.

I also find it interesting that the conversation here is at this point focusing almost exclusively on his audience, though possibly that's because there's not really much to discuss about the actual content of his act. I'm trying to think of something similar and how it's dealt with here... only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the Daily Mail, which tends to be discussed primarily in terms of its content but also in terms of a 'Daily Mail demographic'- so some discussion of audience. I don't think the comparison works, though, for a number of reasons- the Mail is advancing a political agenda, for one thing, in a way that Larry is not. It's target demographic (primarily middle class, right?) is also in a position of relative power.

I'm unsure about the use of the term 'redneck'. I see what you mean, matt and grant, but, not self-identifying as one, I'm uneasy using it to apply to other people. Especially in this case because, though the Blue Collar Comedy cats identify as such, and base much of their humor on that identity, it's impossible to say how much of Larry's audience actually does- we're back in the realm of generalizations. There's also the problem that, generally, every time I've heard the word used by someone who didn't identify as 'redneck,' it's been derogatory. I might be quibbling here- you're right, grant, that it's difficult to think of another word. Maybe that's because the demographic is ill-defined, though. I'm not sure.

Oh yeah, and You know he's providing the voice for the rusty old hillbilly pickup truck in the upcoming Pixar movie "Cars", right?

I saw the trailer for 'Cars,' saw that truck, and thought, "what the fuck." I'm sure that, in the end, Larry the Rusty Pickup Truck, after being an object of ridicule for the entire movie, will Save The Day, or, more likely, Do Something Selfless Which Allows The Protagonist To Save The Day. And the whole thing will be condescending as fuck while reinforcing divisive regional stereotypes.
 
 
grant
13:40 / 28.02.06
I've been turning this over in my head a little, and I think it's partially a reclamation of language issue, like the N-word thing in hip-hop. The redneck thing works slightly differently, I think, because while hip-hop is assimilating the word and changing its meaning (is it?), the, what, Blue Collar Comedy demographic is assimilating the word and all the cultural stuff that goes along with it. (Pickup trucks, NASCAR, music made with fiddles, American flags & Dixie flags, animal heads on the wall and weekends spent fishing....)

Or am I oversimplifying the process?

It may just be that I'm more familiar with the BCC demographic (I have a niece, bless her, who has a heart-shaped Confederate flag tattoo on her chest and a pig's head on her living room wall).
 
 
Bubblegum Death
22:46 / 28.02.06
But is there anything in the word to reclaim? Are there any examples of someone being offended by being called a redneck?

For example, you can call someone a hick; and you'll get your ass kicked. Call that same person a redneck; and you'd probably get a rousing "Hell yeah", or even "Git-R-Done".
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
23:45 / 28.02.06
But is there anything in the word to reclaim? Are there any examples of someone being offended by being called a redneck?

For example, you can call someone a hick; and you'll get your ass kicked. Call that same person a redneck; and you'd probably get a rousing "Hell yeah", or even "Git-R-Done".


You're from the south, right? I will readily accept that you have more experience with self-identified 'rednecks' than I. But. Do you actually go around calling people rednecks? Because, South or no, I suspect that if you did that- from the position of outsider that you're assuming here- you'd get your ass kicked. That's the issue here, I think- the position assumed by the person using the word. Is it within or outwith the group being described? If within, then okay. But outside the group- where there's a presumption of difference- that's where I think there's a problem. In my experience the term redneck, when applied to other people by somebody who does not self-identify as such, is derogatory and smacks of elitism.

And, if you see the word used positively, that's presumably because it's already been reclaimed, but I think it's a relatively recent phenomenon. The blue-collar comedy crowd hasn't been using the word for too too long, have they? Reclamation tends to get placed with them.

A history of the word "redneck" and its usage.
 
 
grant
01:22 / 01.03.06
A couple years ago, I had a Jeff Foxworthy calendar on my desk at work that caught me some trouble from a co-worker from the Carolinas. Because I am, in person, self-evidently not a redneck (despite aforementioned relatives) -- use too many big words, am a vegetarian. He just started calling me "YANK-ee Boy!" at every opportunity, which bugged the hell out of me, as was intended. So, tricky label.

The calendar, by the way, was gift from my mother.
 
 
Bubblegum Death
01:42 / 01.03.06
I think you have a point. I see 3 factors that could lead to ass-kicking.

1.)self-identity-whether or not the person identifies themself as a "redneck"

2.)the other person-whether or not that person is an "outsider"

3.)intent-whether it is meant jokingly or not.
 
 
eddie thirteen
02:15 / 01.03.06
Yeah, point taken (speaking as the first person in the thread to use the term). I'm very much aware that not everyone from the south lives according to stereotype (in fact, few people I have met here do), but I remain a yankee elitist despite my own best efforts, and it rolls off the tongue (or at least off the keyboard) way too easily. Glad to be called out on it.
 
 
penitentvandal
07:51 / 01.03.06
He just started calling me "YANK-ee Boy!" at every opportunity, which bugged the hell out of me, as was intended.

At which point you should just have aplogised and told them that, of course, you'd forgotten that as a yankee you were required to be subservient to southerners, what with them having scored such a resounding victory in the civil war and all.
 
 
grant
16:42 / 01.03.06
Well, I ain't no Yankee.
 
 
matthew.
16:03 / 23.11.06
Now with Kramer in the spotlight, I hope we could also heap scorn onto this guy's shoulders, who is not really far off in the slightest.

Is Larry a persona like Borat? Or is Larry a persona like Michael Richards? Who is really racist and who killed Professor Plum?
 
  

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