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STMTCG- Crass, "Bloody Revolutions"

 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:15 / 31.01.06
Often credited with (or blamed for) the entire anarcho-punk movement, Crass came onto the scene in 1977, dressed in black and espousing a (relative to much of the rest of the punk scene) puritanical agenda of anarchism, pacifism and animal rights. Taking a leaf or several from the Situationists' book, Crass operated as a collective, including artists and writers as well as shouty blokes and noise-makers. Never ones to underestimate the power of images and slogans, they forged a unique image, the fold-out album sleeves to this day adorning the walls of a huge amount of squats and student lodgings- you've certainly seen the “Your Country Needs You” one, with the severed hand hanging from the barbed wire, and even very recently it was practically compulsory among certain circles to own a Crass logo t-shirt with the legend “Jesus died for his own sins- not mine”.

In retrospect, a lot of their stuff now seems a fairly... difficult listen, with stuff like the extended diatribes of “Yes Sir, I Will” verging on the hectoring. Fascinated with the avant-garde, they were never content with merely using the military drums and scratchy guitars of punk, when they could leaven the tone with lengthy tape-looped pieces backing anti-religious poetry (“Reality Asylum”). Indeed, both Crass and Flux of Pink Indians briefly collaborated with Current 93, then still experimenting with tape-looped soundscapes (“Dog's Blood Rising” features contributions from, among others, Steve Ignorant, delivering an anti-war rant over helicopter noises). As a friend of mine once put it, “yes, they were an experimental band, but they weren't above getting in the guy that shouts BOLLOCKS!!! every now and then to keep things going”.

But that said, in my opinion “Bloody Revolutions” was their finest six minutes, blending all that was best about Crass into one defining piece of music. Released as a split 7” with Poison Girls' “Persons Unknown”, “Bloody Revolutions” was the closest they ever got to a mainstream pop hit.

And it goes a little something like this...


You talk about your revolution, well, that's fine
But what are you going to be doing come the time?
Are you going to be the big man with the tommy-gun?
Will you talk of freedom when the blood begins to run?
Well, freedom has no value if violence is the price
Don't want your revolution, I want anarchy and peace

You talk of overthrowing power with violence as your tool
You speak of liberation and when the people rule
Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be?
Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me

But what about those people who don't want your new restrictions?
Those that disagree with you and have their own convictions?
You say they've got it wrong because they don't agree with you
So when the revolution comes you'll have to run them through
You say that revolution will bring freedom for us all
Well freedom just ain't freedom when your back's against the wall

You talk of overthrowing power with violence as your tool
You speak of liberation and when the people rule
Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be?
Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me

Will you indoctrinate the masses to serve your new regime?
And simply do away with those whose views are too extreme?
Transportation details could be left to British Rail
Where Zyklon B succeeded, North Sea Gas will fail
It's just the same old story of man destroying man
We've got to look for other answers to the problems of this land

You talk of overthrowing power with violence as your tool
You speak of liberation and when the people rule
Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be?
Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me

Vive la revolution, people of the world unite
Stand up men of courage, it's your job to fight

It all seems very easy, this revolution game
But when you start to really play things won't be quite the same
Your intellectual theories on how it's going to be
Don't seem to take into account the true reality
Cos the truth of what you're saying, as you sit there sipping beer
Is pain and death and suffering, but of course you wouldn't care

You're far too much of a man for that, if Mao did it so can you
What's the freedom of us all against the suffering of the few?
That's the kind of self-deception that killed ten million jews
Just the same false logic that all power-mongers use
So don't think you can fool me with your political tricks
Political right, political left, you can keep your politics
Government is government and all government is force
Left or right, right or left, it takes the same old course
Oppression and restriction, regulation, rule and law
The seizure of that power is all your revolution's for
You romanticise your heroes, quote from Marx and Mao
Well their ideas of freedom are just oppression now

Nothing changed for all the death, that their ideas created
It's just the same fascistic games, but the rules aren't clearly stated
Nothing's really different cos all government's the same
They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game

Nothing changed for all the death, that their ideas created
It's just the same fascistic games, but the rules aren't clearly stated
Nothing's really different cos all government's the same
They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game
There's nothing that you offer but a dream of last years hero
The truth of revolution, brother................... is year zero.




Opening with a snatch of the “Internationale” followed by the line “You talk about revolution, well that's fine”, the song instantly eschews the bludgeoning simplicity of much punk and agit-pop by simultaneously referencing both the French Revolution and the Beatles. When I first heard this song I must have been about fifteen (and several years too late), but just from that opening I knew something interesting was coming. Ignorant continues in this vein, slating the idea of the violent revolutionary as merely the power-crazed fantasy of those with a lust for power themselves. Ambitious and utopian (even Leaptopian) it may have been, and naïve it may now seem, but what Crass wanted was a total abolition of the power structures they saw as responsible for oppression, after which, so they believed, the human being would revert to its natural state of peaceful co-existence with both itself and its fellow species on the planet. “Freedom has no value if violence is your price”, continues Ignorant, “Don't want your revolution, I want anarchy and peace”, and a million school-bags suddenly found themselves confronted with the Black Marker Pens Of (self-) Righteousness.

So far, so four/four punk rock, for the first few verses at least. Then it starts to get interesting with Eve Libertine's “Vive La Revolution! People of the world unite! Stand up, men of courage, it's your job to fight”- the reference to “men”, of course, is also highly significant, gender relations and the oppression of women (by violence, porn and, indeed, marriage) being another of Crass's preoccupations. Ignorant suddenly becomes EVEN MORE ANGRY, and the song spirals towards its conclusion at breakneck speed in a welter of male/female (dis)harmonies and back-and-forth arguing the point. “So don't think that you can fool me with your political tricks/Political right, political left, you can keep your politics... you romanticise your heroes, quote from Marx and Mao/Well their ideas of freedom are just oppression now”. Dynamically, this is a wonderful piece of music, spending its first half sounding like it's reached its comfortable tempo, before chucking everything over the barricades and hurtling into the unknown- what at first seems like a conventional bridge in fact leads, not between two halves of the same piece, but into an entirely different movement. Compare this with much other punk, where the minimal is prized above all, and it's practically prog rock.

And, ever helpful, having reached their conclusion, “Nothing changed for all the death that their ideas created/It's just the same fascistic games, but the rules aren't clearly stated/Nothing's really different, cos all government's the same/They can call it freedom, but slavery's the game”, they kindly repeat it for us, but more clearly, so we can actually focus on what's being said, before ending with the coda, which I always find strangely chilling, even as a cynical 34-year-old- “There's nothing that you offer but a dream of last year's hero/The truth of revolution, brother... is Year Zero”. Especially bearing in mind that at the time of release, Pot's Year Zero was very much current affairs.

I would personally count this as not only Crass' best song, but one of the best punk songs ever recorded. Listening to “Bloody Revolutions” to this day inspires similar feelings in me to those engendered by going on a protest rally, or Reclaiming The Streets, or taking part in direct action, or listening to a great speaker, or going to a great anarchist gig, or yes, of fucking VOTING- afterwards its seems quite easy to take a much more jaded view of things, but for its duration, it really, really feels RIGHT, and feels like all is not lost, and we CAN change the world. How, of course, is another question entirely...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:59 / 01.02.06
That's great, Stoatie, cheers for posting that. Not least 'cos it's the sort of thing that I'd never normally listen to. I've always had a soft spot for the few Crass tracks I've heard (usually on bizarro mixtapes ("bighandsbighandsbighandsBIGHANDS"), but have managed to avoid hearing any of their albums.

First thoughts - the accent! Bloody hell, you don't hear many accents like that outside of Walford Square... secondly, the lyrics: on one hand, I detest doggerel, but was that doggerel or not? I can't decide. They're making a complex set of points, but the rhymes are quite crude. I liked the mash up of different musical textures also. More when I've digested it a bit.

Question for you: How do you feel about listening to Crass and suchlike today? Do you feel it's a dream of a bygone era when there was more radicalism around, and less apathy? Listening to this, in a sense makes me nostalgic for a time that I never experienced. Hope that makes sense.

Nostalgia for non-existent memories is also evoked by this amazing blog which has loads of forgotten London punk history (including some great posts re. Crass which I can't find right now - I think you'll have fun digging them out) alongside Scots history, situationist theory and more besides.

Illmatic, logged in as KKC
 
 
grant
21:08 / 01.02.06
Yeah, I haven't gathered thoughts enough to say anything properly yet, but there's a definite feeling of nostalgia I get from this track that I think has as much to do with the prog elements as the punk ones.
 
 
doctorbeck
07:12 / 02.02.06
i understand that in it's day it sold enough to make the top 5, crass singles being the cheapest singles you could get anywhere at the time, and generally coming with a parent-baiting fold out poster sleave ,i agree that this is there finest hour musically and conceptually
musically it reminds me of the bits of musique contrete i've heard on radio 3 from time to time and certainly draws from the avante garde, but the military drums and vibrato fuzz guitar provide a recognisable punk template
not sure if it is doggerel though, a lazer guided anger and as good a critique as a pop song can handle

never saw them at the time but went to the showing of their films at the Rio in Hackney 3 years back and they performed a few songs and it was immensely powerful stuff, they were right up there with multi-media gigs at the time from what i've heard

probably the only other track that comes close in terms of quality is big A little A
 
 
illmatic
09:02 / 02.02.06
Can anyone fill me in on what they're doing now?
 
 
rizla mission
09:57 / 02.02.06
Yeah, I haven't gathered thoughts enough to say anything properly yet, but there's a definite feeling of nostalgia I get from this track that I think has as much to do with the prog elements as the punk ones.

This could be a really good point in that, as I recall, some of the central figures in Crass were actually slightly older survivors of the '60s & '70s hippie / yippie scene who rediscovered their musical voice via the advent of punk.

I'm sure someone who knows a bit more about the history of the band than I do can elaborate on that..

..maybe it could even tie into the more optimism/activism based slant of their politics, which certainly have more of a '60s inspired(?) utopian vibe to them than the straight-up nihilism favoured by a lot of other early punk and hardcore groups, despite sharing the same inevitable anger.
 
 
ghadis
10:27 / 02.02.06
Yea, Crass seemed to made up of older members, such as Penny Rimbaud and Gee Vaucher who were part of the avant-garde performance group EXIT in the late 60s - mid 70s which had close links with FLUXUS and Steve Ignorant and others who were more closely linked with the Punk movement. Each group brought their own sensibilites to CRASS and i think that mixture of avant garde and punk is what made them so special.

Hearing Bloody Revolutions again gave me a bit of a nostalgia bath as well, although being in my mid 30s i'm a few years too young to be about at the time. They had that mixture of anger and intelligence that most punk groups at the time just didn't have (i'd say that Jello Biafra and the Dead Kennedys were similer in the states) and Bloody Revolutions exemplifies this perfectly. I only have Stations on CD at the moment but i think i may pop out later and rectify that.

As to what they are doing these days. There was a book of Gee Vauchers art that came out 5 or so years ago called 'Crass Art and other Pre Post-Modernist Monsters' which covered a lot of her stuff from the late 60s to the late 90s. Penny Rimbaud has written a couple of interesting books called 'The Diamond Signature' and 'Shibboleth'. I think Steve Ignorent was in a band called 'Schwarzenegger' or something (fantastic name for a band!!). Not sure about Eve Libertine or the others.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:12 / 02.02.06
As far as I know, Penny Rimbaud and Gee Vaucher are still heavily involved with Dial House, the anarcho-pacifist commune they formed in the late 60s, and which they bought a few years back (I remember a big Guardian interview at the time, but I'm buggered if I can find it). Yeah, Steve Ignorant was/is in Schwarzenegger (only I think they spelled it differently) and the Stratford Mercenaries, and also had some fairly close involvement with Conflict, who are still going strong and are arguably the best of the Crass-influenced punks (as well as being a fucking fantastic live band).

Various of the collective used to do readings and stuff at the Vortex in Stokey, and were quite involved in the Save The Vortex campaign.

It's kind of a statement of integrity, really, that they all seem to still be involved in the same causes/activities they ever were, even though Crass as a band is no more. The music was only really to push the message- and they still seem to believe the message as fervently as before.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:15 / 02.02.06
Oh, and "Shibboleth", Penny Rimbaud's autobiography, is a cracking read- it's closely intertwined with the tragic history of Wally Hope and the Stonehenge Festival, as well as being one of the best looks at the anarcho-punk scene I've read. "The Diamond Signature" is, by all accounts, quite a challenging read, but I must give it a go at some point.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
00:07 / 04.02.06
This is...I'm having difficulty working out what terms are accurate here. This is a fantastic piece of music and a (in both senses of the word) brilliant slab of polemic. What struck me was what I identified initially as lack of subtlelty, which I gradually refigured as the unity of the thing - there's no spare meat here. Every line does its job, as does every section, while using subtextual cues (well, almost) such as the Marseillaise riff to build up a more cohesive artistic entity. There's such a freshness to to the sound as well - specifically Eve Libertine's harmonic jumps in the penultimate section - that cuts through the tedious associations you'd expect. Apologies for lack of coherence, but this hit me in the hindbrain as a bunch of people saying exactly what they want to say, with economy, clarity and panache, and I've not processed it fully yet.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:16 / 04.02.06
Oh, and I only realised today, Penny Rimbaud has a column- Notes From A Disgruntled Anarchist in Stoke Newington's local magazine N16. Guess what? HE thinks the Olympics are a really shit idea for the area too!
 
 
Locust No longer
21:26 / 04.02.06
Crass were probably the most important band to me, other than Minor Threat, during my teen-age years. I think "Bloody Revolutions" is a great example of them at their peak. There's a passion in all of their work that is palpable. "Bloody Revolutions" always sounded so fucking tough and powerful and sad at the same time, which is the feelings I still get from listening to it and a lot of their songs all their years later. They believed what they were singing. They felt it and wanted to make you feel it too. And it wasn't all anger, it was an overwhelming sadness at the way things were and how we went about changing (or solidifying) them. The endless idealism wasn't really endless. They had their limits to their hopes, and they were afraid that like any good idea, anarchism and peaceful revolution would be co-opted, if not by the thugs that were in power then by the idealists that actually changed the situation. Or more eloquently -- they were afraid it was all the same shit with different assholes. But I think that why this song was so great and is great is because they asked important questions to a group of (mainly) kids that had questioned everything except their own dogmatic anarchist views. That's one thing Crass never shied away from, questioning everyone -- the government, the populace, their fans, and themselves. This song made me question my own rebellion and helped me organize my thoughts on just what the hell I really stood for. Sure, the song appears simple at first, but the simplicity of the message is what makes it so powerful. So many bands influenced by Crass used up their vocabularies mapping out their ideas, plots and utopias in a single song, losing any power they might of have had by boring the shit out of us and not letting anyone actually think about what it all means.
 
 
werwolf
08:35 / 08.02.06
have nothing smart to say about this, just wanted to add my feelings and thoughts on CRASS.

i am too young to have ever experienced the glory days of CRASS and what a force they were, not only in the punk scene but on all aspects of what they did and which messages they transported. CRASS was introduced to me by detour, namely CONFLICT. to this day i only own bits and pieces of CRASS discography (mostly what was re-released on cd, a handful of 7"s), but i'll never forget the "wow" effect they had on me.

it was such an amazing rush to hear a band that was punk all around, but didn't get stuck in stereotypes, neither musically nor intelectually, and had so much more going on. and, even more important, this genuine feeling of honesty. can't agree with all of their opinions but always had the belief that they really meant what they said and that is impressive and i respect that highly.

recently a friend of mine invited me over to his place to browse through the pieces of his harcore and punk record collection that he wants to sell in the near future, because he isn't listening to it any more. there were only few bands he wouldn't sell: CITIZEN FISH, BORN AGAINST and CRASS.

(btw: it was spelled SCHWARZENEGGAR.)
 
 
Locust No longer
00:21 / 09.02.06
werwolf, I can totally relate to your friend here. Citizen Fish, Born Against and Crass are all pretty essential bands to anyone into punk and, well, rock and roll, imho. I have a ton of punk records sitting at my parent's house that, while I still enjoy, can't really see needing anymore-- all the studs and spike thrash, the charged up crusty, drunk core--- it's fun but it doesn't say much to me... but it's hard to sell the things. They're a part of me like a scar or chipped tooth. I still associate myself with it, in fact.

I think it's interesting that in this thread I notice some posters (myself included) that say they listened to Crass when they were younger, that they were once important to them but ultimately that they were of a time and place in one's life or history that doesn't fit into this contemporary world anymore ... And I wonder if this is because their political views or ideals are somehow outdated now or if they just don't do it aesthetically anymore or both. . . who knows, maybe you guys are all still rocking Crass a lot. I do put them on once and a while, but certainly not like I did when I was younger. And I wonder if it has to do with a certain glazed over pessimism I have now or, maybe, that I just don't care for their music as much now. I don't know. I don't really think they're outdated. Sure, certainly some of the topics they scream about are, but the general ideas and anger and passion are not. And maybe it's just really simple and we move out of things, tastes change.
 
 
grant
18:09 / 09.02.06
I should clarify that as far as I know, I never heard Crass back in the day. It's something about the *sound* that makes me feel nostalgic, although whether it's a feeling inherent to the song (like R.E.M.'s "South Central Rain") or to the style (like any 70s' British punk) I'm not sure.
 
 
illmatic
18:56 / 09.02.06
Christ, I'm an idiot. Only just realised that I didn't put in the link for Aliaster Livingstone's blog that I mentioned above. He's a guy who bounced around the punk, goth and occult scenes in London and his blog contains a lot of great countercultural history, including some stuff about Crass.

Like Grant, I also never listened to Crass waybackwhen, and I still don't now. I think I may have been the first to mention nostalgia upthread, as it's a bit of a thing for me, I like having my memories tweaked. I mentioned it in relation to Crass as they seem to bring back a time when politics was clearer cut (with Thatcher in charge, there really was no doubt who the enemy was), and the possiblity of radical change wasn't as invisible as it is now.
 
 
Locust No longer
20:22 / 09.02.06
Oops, should have read this thread better as the nostalgia thing has certainly been mentioned.... I have to clarify that I'm way too young to have listened to crass in their early eighties prime, either. Not only that, but I'm from the US. Despite this, they were/are still extremely important to me. . . But I think what I am wondering about is if punk rock is really for when you have the least responsibility. Is punk, by definition, a teenager's rebellion until they enter the "real world"? Hell, it's not as though I'm old by society's standards, but I am one of the old dudes at the shows now. It seems that most punks, when they reach their early twenties, "drop out" of the scene or move onto other things (maybe selling to insurance to Ben Weasel). Although, I have heard this is a more distinctly American phenomenon than in Europe and the UK where apparently punk is far less youth oriented. And I do know there are older punks out there, running labels, playing in bands, organizing venues, but they don't even constitute a fraction of the punk populace compared to the 16 year olds playing black flag chords in their basements. Anyway, this is off topic, so I'll stop.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:40 / 13.03.06
From the Conmflict message board, I thought this was quite an interesting exchange (Paul Hoddy being the bassist in Conflict)

Overthrow the System!


Out of interest in the peak of the 'Anarcho' scene in the 80's.Did you really think you were going to overthrow the government e.t.c.? Like really really believe it?

I didn't but I think alot of the Crass camp did.



Paul Hoddy-

Hi Joe,

Yes, in a wierd way we did believe it, there was so much going on at the time and when you are so deeply involved with something like we were at the time, we were touring constantly and meeting like minded people at the gigs we got so wrapped up in it, and we did feel that we could have made a big difference. At every gig we were talking to positive people who also believed it. So you tend to get caught up in the emotion and anger of it all.

Great question mate

Thanks

Paul
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
16:26 / 14.05.06
Anarcho-punk's an area i'd like to get into - i've got odd bits of downloaded stuff here and there, but really no idea how old most of it is, how the various "sub-scenes" relate to each other, whether there's a difference between "punk with anarchistic lyrics" and an actual style called "anarcho-punk"... the one Crass song i have (i think) is called "Big A Little A Bouncing B", but tbh i can't actually make out most of the lyrics on it...

Any chance the starter of this thread could yousendit the file again? I want to start doing a proper attempted political/philosophical analysis of the lyrics, but i'd like to hear the actual song first...

Re Dial House - i saw a documentary once which was screened at a "DIY Culture" weekend, filmed by Crass, about making a compost toilet, which featured Penny Rimbaud wandering around totally stark bollock naked, and in one memorable scene sawing wood while his "Man-Thing" dangled mere inches away... the house and grounds looked fucking cool tho, must have raised a lot of money to buy that...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:27 / 14.05.06
No problem
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
16:54 / 16.05.06
First listen thoughts: Well, that wasn't quite what i thought it would sound like... from the lyrics and my general understanding of punk, i was expecting something quite a lot... faster, shoutier, more straightforwardly impassioned, not the almost-spoken-word, almost-humourous/sarcastic-sounding first minute or two of the song... then it changed into something a bit more like what i was expecting, for a little bit... and then that bit with the female singer was just odd, and the last minute or so with the faux-military synthy riff and the almost-drum'n'bass drum pattern and the sample-like sounding vocals felt almost more like something from the post-punk dance music generation... not sure if it feels like a whole song, or just a medley of different parts, but undoubtedly interesting...

gonna listen to it a couple more times then post my thoughts on the lyrics...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:12 / 16.05.06
I'm sorry, I really tried to give this a chance, but I couldn't listen to more than about two minutes of this. It sounds like what I'd expect punk to sound like if I'd never heard any of it and was basing my opinion solely on reading articles about it written by people who hated it: i.e. stridently opposed to things like melodies and fun. The Pistols and the Clash may have been kompromised kounter-revolutionary hypokrites, but at least they understood how to write a pop tune now and again...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:38 / 16.05.06
So you didn't like the first two minutes then...?
 
 
illmatic
08:25 / 17.05.06
I think you raise an interesting question Flyboy – how much do you have to enjoy music in order to appreciate it? By which I mean – with a group like Crass – I’m glad that they exist, and part of my enjoyment of them would be exploring my fascination with their ideas/ideology/lives (touched on similar things in The Abyssinians thread) but it doesn’t mean I want to listen to their records all the time. I actually didn’t find “Bloody Revolutions” that unpalatable, for the record, there’s some distinct things I like about it - but (and I think this is especially true of groups like Crass) maybe it’s the fact they were/are out there rather than the actual records they produce that’s important (PTV are another band I’d put in this category).
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:53 / 17.05.06
I'm a little wary of that mode of thinking, to be honest. A band's primary responsibility is to produce good music. Now, what good music entails is obviously up for debate - but I'd actually be far more sympathetic to "shut up Flyboy you cloth-eared ninny, Crass sound great to me!" than "I know their tunes are rub, but their ideas were important..."
 
 
illmatic
11:14 / 17.05.06
Yeah, I understand that sentiment. I don't necessairily think this is how Crass saw themeselves - reading about them, their music seems very much a vehicle for their politics, and I have to say, I admire their commitment and actions here, though this might explain - from your pov. at least - why the music is a bit rubbish.

What I was trying to get at with ref to the reggae thread is that a lot of what I enjoy about it comes from my understanding of the history and culture around it. Though this followed my interest in the music, not the other way round, because the the tunes are so boss!

(This ain't true with Psychic TV though!)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:50 / 17.05.06
Oh, it's totally an aesthetic thing- personally I love the sound of shouty anarcho-punk (and, indeed, find it fun*), and I'm guessing you don't, Fly.

Although I'd take issue with it sounding like punk by people who'd never actually heard any- an awful lot of it did/does sound like that. The Pistols and the Clash were both, among other things, great party bands- doesn't mean that's representative and definitive of the genre, by any stretch, any more than Marley is of reggae, LL Cool J of hiphop or Burzum of metal.

*Although it is fair to say that Crass did have something of a puritanical reputation at the time- the veganism, eschewing of drink and drugs (following a few disastrously hammered early gigs) and constant talk of politics turned off many who were into the more "fun" side of the scene.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:59 / 17.05.06
Not punk as made by people who hadn't heard any - I meant punk as described by people who hadn't heard any. And "shouty anarcho-punk" doesn't necessarily sound like it isn't my thing - what surprised me about this track was a much lower level of pace and energy than I was expecting. I think I like shouty music when you can throw yourself around the room to it in response - otherwise, it's just like having a person actually shout at you, i.e. not much fun at all.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:42 / 17.05.06
You should probably try listening to more than just the first two minutes... as I said in my first post, it changes a lot.
 
  
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