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Songs That Made This Country Great: An Introduction

 
  

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Jack Fear
01:54 / 28.01.06
As noted elsewhere, the standard of discussion in the Music forum seems to be a notch below what it might be. There are a couple of reasons for this. Firstly, intelligent and informed discussion depends on all parties having the same access to the cultural artifact under discussion—and with musical culture so fragmented and personalized, that is not always a given. The second part has a lot to do with the character of this particular board. To boil it down, Barbelith is at its best when it is analyzing something, rather than just expressing enthusiasm.

Songs That Made This Country Great is a new project that aims to apply the high standard of Barbelith discussion to an artform that most of us usually experience on a lizard-brain level. Think of it as a book club, but for songs.

HOW DOES IT WORK?

Songs That Made This Country Great (STMTCG) will use free file-sharing technology to disseminate songs that we wish to discuss. To start a STMTCG thread, simply do the following:

-Go to YouSendIt.com. Follow the instructions onscreen to upload the mp3 that you want to share. Enter your own e-mail address: the system will mail you a link to the page where the file can be downloaded. That link will be good for seven days or (I think) 60 downloads, whichever comes first.

-Start a new thread. Call it “STMTCG: (song title)”. In the topic abstract, give us a quick bit of vital info about the song: the recording artist, year, composers. E.g.
STMTCG: Strange Fruit
Performed by Billie Holiday, 1939. Composed by Lewis Allan.

-Begin your initial post with a bit of context—a thumbnail sketch of the band or composer, a potted history of the song. If there are lyrics, and if you can find them, give them to us here. Give as much as you feel is necessary to get the ball rolling, but remember, this is a conversation starter, not the last word.

-Now comes the fun part. Give us a little essay, just a few paragraphs, on what the song does and the questions or issues that it raises. For “Strange Fruit,” we might ask: Is music an effective vehicle for social change? Does a performer have an obligation to give her all to the performance of a song, even at great damage to herself (Holiday famously broke down very time she sang the song)? Why is it that “Strange Fruit” seems to get revived every 15 years or so? Is there entertainment value in being made as uncomfortable as “Strange Fruit” aims to make us? Give us a little something to chew over.

WHAT KIND OF SONGS WILL RECEIVE THE “STMTCG” TREATMENT?

Ultimately, it’s a personal call. Songs with words are probably the most open to analysis—particularly narratives, manifestos, protest songs. Ambiguity is good. Can the song be taken two or more ways? We might want to hear it.

But I can see the process working with experimental, process-oriented instrumental music, too—the ideas behind (say) a John Cage piece are perhaps more interesting than the music itself.

Another idea: Post two or more versions of the same song, for a bit of compare-and-contrast action.

Dive on in, kids. Let’s see if we can make this work.
 
 
Ganesh
07:36 / 28.01.06
Nice idea, Jack, and thanks for suggesting Morrissey's Moon River, about which I'm always happy to wax lyrical. Off to YouSendIt it now.
 
 
Ganesh
11:11 / 28.01.06
Incidentally, I'd love to see someone tackle Strange Fruit.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:39 / 28.01.06
Thanks for this suggestion, Jack. I might, if I can find an mp3 of it, be tempted to have a crack at Strange Fruit myself, as it is one of my favourite songs, and an example for me of the power of music/song as a form. It has astonishing power, especially in Billie Holiday's performance.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:08 / 28.01.06
(but promise to run my 'essay' though a thesaurus first. Danm my limited vocabulary)
 
 
Ganesh
23:07 / 28.01.06
Dman it to Hlel.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:33 / 28.01.06
oh, psis off.

Yeah, I'll do SF tomorrow, if I get time or in the next few days at the latest.
 
 
illmatic
15:05 / 29.01.06
Great idea, Jack, I'm going to listen to the stuff already posted now. Incidentally, I would love to hear some more experiemental music discussed here. Perhaps someone who's been posting in the free jazz thread could post some Derek Bailey, for instance? I think a bit of context/explanation could work wonders for my understanding of this sort of music.
 
 
Ganesh
15:15 / 29.01.06
It's true. Being a lazy git, I'm unlikely to seek out experimental stuff off my own bat - but if someone provides a potted history and a link to the download I'll certainly give it a go.
 
 
grant
14:05 / 30.01.06
I'll pay money for an Albert Ayler thread.
 
 
Jack Fear
11:04 / 31.01.06
Loath as I am to bump a thread for the sake of bumping: I just wanted to make sure this didn't get lost in the churn. Not for a while, anyway.

Everything going okay on the technical side? Nobody having a problem with YouSendIt, I hope? It's about the easiest and most intuitive way to do this, I think: the limited number of downloads is a bit of a drag, but also (he said pragmatically) well within the limits of the number of people we can reasonably expect to find contributing to any given thread. And if bandwidth runs about before the end of seven days, well, YouCanAlwaysSendItAgain...
 
 
Jack Fear
11:14 / 31.01.06
Also wish to reiterate a point made in this thread, where Chad expressed anxiety and frustration:

I can't engage [in these threads]. I've not read Capote, nor seen Breakfast at Tiffany's, nor familiar with Morrisey's work, nor heard any versions Moon River, save the m4a provided. And the Golden Palominos are new to me in every sense. I've the will to be a better participant in ... Music, but no insights or education regarding the songs ...

to which I said there, as I say here:

That's just the point, though—to listen to something brand-new, with no preconceptions, and start analyzing based on the internal evidence, on its own terms. I purposely chose something hopelessly obscure, with the idea that all participants begin at an equal disadvantage.

All the information you need to participate is right there in the threads, and—most importantly—in the songs themselves.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
13:07 / 31.01.06
Jack- can I suggest putting the abbreviation "STMTCG" somewhere in the abstract, so it can be searched for by people baffled by the thread titles if this one sinks from the front page?

Otherwise excellent idea, and great contributions so far. If anyone has an MP3 of Bloody Revolutions by Crass, I'll gladly offer my own effort- otherwise I'll just have to keep searching my flat for the CD!
 
 
grant
13:43 / 31.01.06
YouSendIt was having server problems for an hour or so last night, but it cleared up.
 
 
Bed Head
13:51 / 31.01.06
So, anyway, I’ve just indexed this whole project on the music forum page in the wiki. In case that might help with the finding-again. At all. In any way.

Also, Jack, you rock. Mightily.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:58 / 31.01.06
Abstract modified, pending moderator approval.

Stoat: am downloading the Crass track as we speak. PM me when your essay's done, and I'll shoot you the link.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:01 / 31.01.06
Cheers, Jack- I'll get to work over the next day or so.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:34 / 02.02.06
Less than a week on, so it's maybe too early to ask, but: How do we think it's going?
 
 
grant
19:27 / 02.02.06
I'm enjoying the listening, but sometimes have trouble thinking of something to say other than "Cool!" or "enh...". Part of the problem with music in general, maybe. Pop music, anyway.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:41 / 02.02.06
(Cross-posted response from Policy)

I think it's going pretty well- yeah, a lot of the contributors have been "the usual suspects", but I like to think a lot more people are reading them, and hopefully thinking of songs they'd like to give the same treatment themselves.

(More when I'm less drunk).
 
 
illmatic
20:51 / 02.02.06
I think perhaps people haven't contributed as much as I'd expected them too .. but early days as you say. One problem with coming in is that sometimes it's hard to follow someone else's mini-essay i.e. I've yet to think of anything more to say on The Golden Palminos or anything at all on the Dean Gray track - but I don't want to force it either.
 
 
Char Aina
04:36 / 03.02.06
i've downloaded and thought about each track, but i havent had enough time to do much more i'm afraid, jack.
i loved the track from your thread, incidentally.

bluesdancingpantsmachinego, etc.

i do intend to get to them, but as ilmatic says, it can be daunting and one feels a cetrtain need to make an effort.
 
 
Ganesh
18:00 / 15.02.06
Question: once the one-week deadline is up, can one upload the same song to YouSendIt again?
 
 
Jack Fear
19:39 / 15.02.06
Answer: Yup. The resultant link will be different from the first time, though.
 
 
grant
19:40 / 15.02.06
Yep. They're not monitoring for content, as far as I know (I've seen the same thing bumped a few times elsewhere on the net.)
 
 
Feverfew
16:11 / 26.03.06
Just out of curiousity, is this idea still going?

I caught the tail-end, I believe, of the last run, and ended up with two songs which were, to be fair, excellent.

So - any more for any more?

Bear in mind that [deadline voice] if I have to, I will post Songs that made this country Ignominious, starting with John Otway's Bunsen Burner, and no-one wants that, really, do they? [/deadline voice].

All joking aside, could this be continued? Please? I'm sure I might be able to find something worthwhile, but it might take some time.
 
 
Ganesh
16:51 / 26.03.06
Go ahead. The only reason it's not happening at the moment, as far as I can tell, is that people aren't starting threads.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
21:16 / 13.05.06
This is a really cool idea. I'd like to do one (or a few), but will need to a) think of a song, and b) work out how to use this yousendit thing first...

Is the idea supposed to be songs that the people reading the thread don't know, or songs that you (the thread starter) consider to be "definitive" or "massively influential"?
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
21:33 / 13.05.06
Testing: does this yousendit link work?

Satta Massagana by The Abyssinians
 
 
Jack Fear
23:24 / 13.05.06
Works like a charm, O Natty One.
 
 
illmatic
08:16 / 14.05.06
*Not sure if I should post this here as this is the meta-thread for STMTCG - if another thread springs up for specific discussion this track, please cut n'paste out*

That's funny. I was listening to a DJ version of "Satta Massa Gana" only yesterday. (Big Joe's "In the ghetto", a cut to the Johnny Clarke version of the tune, on If Deejay Was Your Trade, a Trojan compilation).

That track was one of my favourite reggae records many years ago, when I purchased it on a Grounation 7" (UK roots label). My taste in reggae have changed quite a bit since then and I haven't listened to heavy roots* in years, but have been rediscovering it lately. It used to make it onto all my compilation tapes.

Things I still love about this tune - the beautiful vocal harmonies, and the vibe expressed - the heartfelt desire to return to the "homeland". This is a common theme in a lot of black music. In it's blues and gospel formations, the homeland takes the form of the Christian heaven, sometimes allegorised as the home state - reflecting the homesickness of migrant workers. There's a beautiful blues record called "I want to go back home" that catches this perfectly, but I can't remember the artist.

As expressed in this record, to me, it sums up something about the whole mood of the time - when what now seems a "utopian" solution was a very real aspiration for large sets of immigrant communities in the Caribbean and the West. In a broader sense this reminds me of the other political struggles for a better world which were characteristic of the 60s/70s which are now also seen as "utopian" impossibilites. If you like this, another track you might want to check out with very similar themes would be Fred Locks "Black Star Liner".

*For those unsure on the difference, "roots" is rastafari-inspired, seventies reggae characterised by slow, heavy rhythms and "sufferers" lyrics - that is, lyrical themes on difficulties of life in "Babylon" (the West) for black people, black pride/history and the Rastafari aspiration to return to "Zion" - repatriation to a black run state in modern Africa - i.e. Ethiopa, under the rulership of Haile Selaisse. Selassie only died in 1975 so this was a real possibility for a while (IIRC, some rastas did actually re-settle in Ethiopia - not sure if it yielded the postive results they were hoping for though).

Natty Ra Jah: What do you like about it? Why did you post it?
 
 
illmatic
08:21 / 14.05.06
In short, what blows my mind about this song: the aspirational homeland in a lot of black music had a real geographical focus for a while. Marley sang "Almighty God is a living man" meaning Selassie.

How strange/weird/wonderful is that?
 
 
illmatic
11:05 / 14.05.06
Here's an interesting article about the track.

"Satta Massagana" (meaning 'give thanks') is obviously notable for its use of Amharic, the language of Ethiopia (Abyssinia). The Amharic is a result of Donald Manning's Rastafarian influence on the group. The study of Amharic in Kingston in the 60s was a function of the post-colonial, Pan-African identity and Rastafarian awareness sweeping
the ghetto after Haile Selassie's 1966 visit to the island. Collins recalls how Donald's brother Neville used to teach Amharic in the Jonestown area of Kingston. "[He] was a man who used to . . . have classes around there, where we could all go and learn the language, cause he used to get books from Ethiopia through England -- Ethiopian opinions. And those books contain all literatures that we need . . .
That's how come we get acquainted with the Amharic . . . Bredren from all about used to come there and learn."
 
 
Jack Fear
11:46 / 14.05.06
Given the enthusiasm evinced herein, I feel slightly churlish for pointing out that discussion of "Satta Massagana" should really go in a separate thread.

But I'll point it out anyway.
 
 
illmatic
11:51 / 14.05.06
I thought as much - if Natty Rah Jah starts one, I'll move all my responses over.
 
  

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