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Gene Clark

 
 
m
19:01 / 24.01.06
This new topic is for Illmatic, who has apparently discovered just how great the criminally overlooked output of Gene Clark is.

I went on a little Byrds jag recently, and after hearing the Clark penned "I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better" for years and years, I suddenly realized what a fucking great song it was. It led me to check out a double disk compilation of Clark's solo recordings called Flying High, and then from there to purchase Echoes, White Light, and the Fantastic Expedition of Dillard and Clark in rapid succession. Man oh man what great records! I put Echoes on repeat and listened to it exclusively for about three weeks straight.

More in-depth praise to come....
 
 
rizla mission
08:12 / 25.01.06
I went on a little Byrds jag recently, and after hearing the Clark penned "I'll Feel a Whole Lot Better" for years and years

Me too. That song is so punk rock - one of their best. It makes me think of those stories about how the Byrds developed their kinda "wall of guitars" sound to overcome the limitations of contemporary sound set-ups, with four guys all strumming away and singing at the same time, all turned up really loud. Must have been a sight and sound to behold...

Sorry, that doesn't actually have much to do with Gene Clark does it? I have heard heard plenty good things about his solo stuff and will be sure to check it out when given the oppurtunity.
 
 
illmatic
08:48 / 25.01.06
Thanks very much for starting it. It was a while ago actually (check the date on the other topic) but I stillhaven't got around to checking out any of his other stuff. Wht would you recommend as his strongest album.

But "White Light" .... jeezus. Where do I start? One of the things that gets me i the lyrics ... seem to strike just the right balance between lyricism and oddness. His vocals are beautiful, soaring production highs and lows that I associate with the best of 60/70s blue tinged rock...

.. will have to listen to it again as soon as I get in tonight.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:15 / 25.01.06
It's not a consistently brilliant album (as some hacks would have you believe), but "No Other" has some fine moments on it. In particular the title track which is possibly the best (only) peace of cocaine-swamp-country-funk I have ever heard. It's massively over-produced (read: insane coke addiction) and ridiculously ambitious. Worth a go.
 
 
m
17:42 / 25.01.06
Echoes is just a great, great record. The copy that's in print right now has a bunch of Byrds songs that Clark wrote but never made it on to the records, as well as some incredible baroque pop numbers that wouldn't be out of place on a Scott Walker disk.
 
 
m
06:03 / 27.01.06
No Other is OK, and it is incredibly over-produced, but there's an edition that's floating around out there that has some nicely stripped down demo versions of many songs. From what I've heard, No Other was going to be Clark's Pet Sounds, but I'd say it missed the mark by quite a large distance.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:31 / 27.01.06
Yeah, it's a total coke album, but it has some incredibly strange stuff on it. Bits of it genuinely don't sound like anything else I've ever heard. I'd recommend it for that reason alone. However I appreciate that I'm a curio hunter and it won't be to everybody's taste.
 
 
doctorbeck
11:48 / 27.01.06
>Illmatic, who has apparently discovered just how great >the criminally overlooked output of Gene Clark is

yes he had total cloth ears when he was living round our house back in the day, it was all hip hop and raggamuffin for him, however....

No Other is totally awesome as an Lp i reckon, in all it's coked up pomp and glory there is a melancholy heart, massive production, it sounds like choirs of angels at some points and a warm soulful instrumentation, lovely fender rhodes sounds, would like to hear the demos version sometime

another i would really recommend is The fantastic expidition of dillard and clark, in which he turns in a complex rich junkie blue grass lp with doug dillard, killer songwriting, mandolins, banjos, something of the sound that REM made good use of 20 years later but just loads better. it has made my week to hear others are into this man, i think not dying earlier and not hanging out with the stones went against him really, as he never got near the respect that gram parsons did and left a much stronger body of work

have to heads up roadmaster too, which has spooner oldham on keybords for some tracks and is also lovely (expect for the title track), again melancholy and quite stripped down arrangements (i think it was unfinished demos)
 
 
illmatic
13:54 / 27.01.06
yes he had total cloth ears when he was living round our house back in the day, it was all hip hop and raggamuffin for him, however....

Ahem, I don't recall you ever asking me to sit down and listen to some tunes!! But then, memory is a funny thing... Mine and your co-habitant of the time have distinctly different recalls of what happened with regards to the washing up!

On the "coked up country note", has anybody heard Terry Melcher's solo LP? I know you have Doc, but anyone else?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:16 / 27.01.06
I haven't checked the Melcher album yet but we've sold fucking LOADS of it. Is it similarly epic?

Tell you what, I'll go and put it on....
 
 
doctorbeck
15:18 / 27.01.06
terry melcher is patchy but has 3 or 4 great songs on it (rolling in my sweet babys arms, these days in partic) and the wotrse cover shot EVER, he is of note i suppose for his role in the manson murders and being doris days son, the second lp he did 'royal flush' is a concept coked up country lp about driving to mexico and playing cards.

and don't get me started on that washing up dan
 
 
doctorbeck
15:21 / 27.01.06
here's terry ms obit for those interested, he died last year

Record producer and writer of songs for the Beach Boys and for his mother, Doris Day

Garth Cartwright
Tuesday November 23, 2004
The Guardian


The singer, songwriter and record producer Terry Melcher, who has died of cancer aged 62, helped shape Los Angeles pop into the California sound.
He was born in New York city, the son of an 18-year-old Doris Day and her first (of four) husbands, trombone player Al Jorden. They separated soon after Terry's birth and Day resumed her singing career, which brought her to Hollywood. Terry later took the name of Day's third husband, the agent/producer Marty Melcher.


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Day encouraged her son to sing, and he made his first recording in 1961. He took the demo to Columbia Records, where they were impressed enough to invite him to join their producer-trainee programme. Having completed this, he composed songs for his mother's movies (including the title ballad for Move Over, Darling, 1963) and signed up the futureBeach Boy Bruce Johnston. As Bruce & Terry they enjoyed a minor hit in 1964 with Summer Means Fun.
Melcher then signed the Rip Chords to Columbia. He began to produce and sing backing vocals on their recordings.That helped them to a major hit with the hot-rod song Hey Little Cobra.

ยท Terry Melcher, songwriter and music producer, born February 8 1942; died November 21 2004 In 1964 a group called The Jet Set were signed by Columbia and Melcher was assigned to produce them. Their demo featured a recording of an unreleased Bob Dylan song and Melcher shaped it into a classic by refusing to let any of the band other than singer/guitarist Jim (later Roger) McGuinn play on the recording; he employed top LA session musicians to back McGuinn.

The band were renamed the Byrds and their debut single, Mr Tambourine Man, went to No 1 worldwide, opening the doors for folk-rock. Melcher said: "I thought the only guy in the band who could play well enough to record was McGuinn, so I used all the normal guys I used for sessions. I took the bass-drum groove from Don't Worry Baby and put Tambourine Man over it, and had McGuinn weave his Rickenbacker 12-string through the whole thing. I put him on [overdubbed] about four times, so it just jangled forever."

Melcher produced the Byrds' first two albums, overseeing such hits as Turn! Turn! Turn! and All I Really Want To Do before the band dispensed with his services. They were reconciled in 1969 for Ballad Of Easy Rider and Untitled in the 1970s, although the results were uneven and did not bring the band back to the charts. Melcher also made stars of Seattle garage band Paul Revere & The Raiders. Melcher wrote Him Or Me (What's It Gonna Be?) and The Great Airplane Strike among their many hits, and produced their four top 10 albums between 1965 and 1967.

He then became the Beatles' sub-publisher for the US, Canada and Japan, helped to promote the Monterey Pop Festival and enjoyed a life of extreme hedonism. Forming with a few male friends what they called "The Golden Penetrators", they attempted to lay as many groupies as possible, which led them into the circle of an aspiring singer-songwriter, Charles Manson.

Manson had surrounded himself with young female acolytes, and through them made friends with Beach Boy Dennis Wilson. (Melcher sang background on several Beach Boys recordings, including Pet Sounds). Wilson introduced Melcher to Manson and his harem, and Melcher seriously considered signing Manson to a recording deal.

When Melcher cooled on the deal, Manson became angry. The house on Cielo Drive, Los Angeles, where Manson's minions murdered Sharon Tate and four others on August 9 1969, had once belonged to Melcher; he was so traumatised that he spent some years in a drugged haze, yet maintained close friendships with the Los Angeles rock aristocracy.

He released two unsuccessful solo albums in the mid-1970s (his mother sang backing vocals on one). In the late 1970s Melcher concentrated on dealing in real estate until Mike Love and Bruce Johnston of the Beach Boys asked him to help find new material. In 1987 Melcher co-wrote and produced Kokomo for the Beach Boys. It was a US No 1 hit.

Melcher and his mother remained close. He was an executive producer of her CBS television series The Doris Day Show from 1968 to 1972 and later became her manager, arranging her return to television in the mid-1980s with the show Doris Day's Best Friends.

Byrds' leader Roger McGuinn later recalled: "He brought that creamy California sound that he superimposed on the rough-edged folk rock sound that we were doing and . . . it gave a lustre that it wouldn't have had."

Melcher is survived by his mother; his wife, Terese; and a son from an earlier marriage, Ryan.
 
 
illmatic
18:24 / 27.01.06
His Lordship: So what do you think? I reckon a few killer tracks "Arkansas", "Stagolee" (which bizarrely cuts out halfway through). Patchy but but worth the prices of admission for those killers.

the wotrse cover shot EVER

What do you mean? You dress like that for parties
 
 
doctorbeck
14:26 / 30.01.06
only a particular KIND of party

wanted to add another lp to this thread as i see it as aprt of the same genre, another one from rosies house in fact dan

Dion - Born to be with you

the ex-dion and the belmonts frontman produces and lp of epic massive country ballads produced by phil spector around 1974 so with a massive wall of sound, not as musically complex as No Other (but then lord what is?) but just a huge sound, a million piece orchestra playing the same riff over mournfull vocals. i think it has a cd reissue too

was listeing to Gene Clarks no other on saturday after a very narcotic night out and it sounds as brilliant as ever, with the time and mood changes it was almost prog country
 
  
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