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GRANT Morrison and Gene Ha on The Authority

 
  

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MFreitas
16:38 / 24.01.06
It's been leaked from tomorrow's Wizard and confirmed in other forum.
 
 
Aertho
16:42 / 24.01.06
Fora, you mean.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:48 / 24.01.06
flora fauna
 
 
FinderWolf
16:49 / 24.01.06
on a more serious and less word-associative note, someone remarked in another thread that Gene Ha is not a very fast artist and this book will likely not be monthly -- and I agree completlely. Maybe bi- or tri-monthly?
 
 
MFreitas
16:52 / 24.01.06
No. I meant 1 (ONE) forum. Singular.
 
 
MFreitas
16:55 / 24.01.06
And yes, Ha is somewhat slow for a monthly title, though I believe during Top10 he could do around 10 issues a year.

But Zander Cannon did the layouts, so...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
20:01 / 24.01.06
maybe it's mini, or bimonthly.

to whomever said GM would be out of... ASS by #12: I don't know, the guy may have a lot of ideas around for Supes. I mean, he stayed for almost 4 years in the fucking X-men under Jemas / Arad's micro-management.
 
 
This Sunday
20:23 / 24.01.06
What is the allure of the monthly, or regularly scheduled comic? I don't understand the 'worth the wait' mentality. Honestly, how does that work? Are you doing nothing - have nothing - between issues of Comic X, that the elapsing time between sequential pamphlets is measurable directly against the quality of entertainment? It's not like being in prison, wherein the actual waiting would be one of restraint, but I mean, if a comic comes out every month and from April to June all three issues suck, could they have been better, or more enjoyable, if they came out ever two weeks?
Re: ASSupes - Wasn't there a dictate from above, that all Superbooks be put on a rotating creative staff deal? This was why they, officially, shifted Byrne off one, right? So, Morrison, may not really have an option to keep writing these comics (at least, writing and having them published).
I gather it must have been easier for other people to get their comics, as kids, off the racks, because whether an issue comes out according to a regular schedule seems to really upset - or at least, annoy - lots of folks. Not only was a a big fan of the quarter/dime bins, where there was almost no chance of getting successive issues, but when new stuff came out, half the time I couldn't afford it, right then, and so, if I couldn't read it in the store, it might take a while (months, years, et cetera) to take in a whole, extended, storyline. Stories aren't what I'm going to be looking for, with 'The Authority' or, particularly, with Grant Morrison.
I'll pick up the book, no doubt, but not for stories. Scenes. Excellent moments, fragments of affect, and when/if they string along into something moving and intense, each building on the other to a heightened reveal... so much the better, but it won't be what gets me to plunk down the cash. Who wants to read a comic that might have a pay-off three or eight months down the road? Who wants comics that come out like clockwork, but there's these fill-ins and delays, where temporary replacement artists and writers continue a story but miss the details or the point? To be fair, I'll probably get lazy and cheap and wait for the TPBs to be collected, but even so... if there isn't a pay off in that collection... if there isn't some glimmer of manic pleasure from that book; fuck it.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:32 / 24.01.06
>> Re: ASSupes - Wasn't there a dictate from above, that all Superbooks be put on a rotating creative staff deal? This was why they, officially, shifted Byrne off one, right? So, Morrison, may not really have an option to keep writing these comics (at least, writing and having them published).

I think that is a pre-OYL editorial edict, not certain... Plus, either way, I think the All-Star books have their own special rules. i.e. call me crazy, but I feel pretty certain there's no way they're telling Grant Morrison "sorry, you've had your 12 issues and we're kicking you out, I don't care that you want to do another 6" on All-Star Supes.

But while I agree that the frequency of the comic doesn't matter nearly so much as the quality, I guess it's more of just a publishing/business/professionalism issue to have something that is supposed to be a monthly periodical run late. When good books are late, I don't really grumble much because it's the quality of the book that counts.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:34 / 24.01.06
and if the rumors are true, Frank Miller has extended his All-Star Batman run for another few issues...

I agree that I'd rather have a book run late than have a not-very-good "fill-in" issue by a replacement artist and/or writer just to keep it on schedule.
 
 
makeitbleed
21:38 / 24.01.06
For me, a lot of whether a book's schedule or lack thereof is frustrating, has to do with whether the books are self-contained or not.

Some self-contained books that I really enjoy like Madman or Vertigo books can come out months or years late (Blackhole?) if that's what the creators need to make them as good as they'd like and I don't mind.

But if there's a book that's supposed to play well with an external universe and should effect or be affected by that universe (the new Secret War, and unfortunately Astonishing X-Men - which I'd prefer to be self-contained) than it gets really frustrating as a reader.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:40 / 24.01.06
Where are you getting this? I'm not seeing it at any of the usual news sources...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
00:26 / 25.01.06
Tripper, without trying to emulate warren Ellis, if when growing up you got the opportunity to get some comics off newstands or drugstore racks - if you like TV shows, even - then you get why the need readers have for the episodic thrill. it's more natural than we think: we check email everyday.

of course reading habits change from place to place and time frames, and we get used to trades and GNs when getting into adulthood [reading more books may help on that, but that's not the same from person to person]. but a lot of people still get a kick out of it despite their age. I mean, don't people buy newspapers and watch the news? even books/GNs by the same authors generate that episodic feel even with wider periods in-between.

commercially-wise, monthly is where the money is, despite special cases like ULTIMATES [not even mentioning retailers having to put money upfront in the Direct Market system]. at Image's messageboard there's a thread where Erik Larsen answers questions regarding submissions as an editor. he was once asked if a bi-monthly book usually sold as well as a monthly - and the answer was "no".

and hey, if there's a mainstream writer whose bang-for-buck ratio is still very high, avoiding milking up things, it's that guy from Glasgow.
 
 
This Sunday
17:05 / 25.01.06
To clarify: I fully trust in the bang-fer-yer-buck quality to be wonderfully wonderful in any Morrison project, and have not been disappointed, yet. Things could be, sometimes, better, but has Morrison ever written (and had published) anything that was the sort of absolute shit you see some other comics authors get away with?
And, yeah, anticipation is nice and all, and the continued narratives of fictional folks as you grow familiar with them is attractive, but... I didn't sit through 'Voyager' because I liked DS9, there are whole seasons of 'The Simpsons' and 'X-Files' that I simply don't have the impetus to even peek at. I dunno, I liked Ellis' 'Authority' best of all the iterations and something that seemed to be there was, that every issue was worth its salt. Even when it didn't make a whole lot of logical or tactical sense (the billion jetplane versus alien invader slipship baddies; gunning down the horseback boys) it was better than the censorious mess of the latter Millar issues (with the Religimon issue standing out brightly, even at the time when I thought it was Millar writing it), or ex-Stormwatch agents coming out of the sun all depressed and, er, storm and thundery. Villains who you could almost agree with on every count, kicking the head in of everything that interfered.
And, heck, 'The Defenders', which was totally the dumping ground of unfinished stories for a while, as someone elsewhere on Barbelith posted recently - and I just happened to be rereading a bunch of - was a bi-monthly until it needed to cross-over with 'The Avengers' and then there were guest authors requiring co-writers requiring replacements from month to month, trying to make sense out of unsensible things like the elf with his gun... but even, reading those now, years later, they seem to move along at a fair enough clip, that the stumbles aren't too bad, and the comics are still worth the time. Every issue of 'Strangehaven' is totally worth it. Not because it's building somewhere, which it may well be, but because of what each issue has, what each issue, in fact, is.
I felt the same way about, say, 'Preacher' and 'Transmet', in that, the format, the sequential long-form, gave the creators an excuse to talk about this, to work out that, to explore and develop, rather than simply be concerned with the concrete plot, punctuating from event to event like a Tom Clancy paperback. Some things don't have to hold up as a whole, for me, because they are designed as sequential, but foremost as individual units of entertainment-digestion.
Heck, 'The Authority' itself, back in the day, required no real knowledge of 'Stormwatch' or 'WildCATs' or anything. Was it fun to speculate/intuit that Jack went from weeping-when-he-killed-a-psycho to bloody, gleeful slaughter of the masses with a righteous grin, because he killed the spirit of death (who's been revived, which defeats the purpose of the Authority as replacement Changers)? How sad and far have Christine and her baldy Commander Sisko stand-in fallen by the time the first issue of 'The Authority' came 'round, and it's not even really noted or back-stories in the book? 'The Authority' didn't have to act as pay-off for a 'Stormwatch' storyline. It could, and often did, but that was not it's purpose and not a required reading of the series.
Not like, oh, Byrne's 'Doom Patrol', which the masochist in me needed a glance at, a book that requires both familiarity with this in-other-books backstory and the active decision to edit, alter, and otherwise mutilate that same backstory material to make the new story work and/or matter. Fuck.
Comics, in the serial format, ought to be modular enough to count on their own, each pamphlet, each story, and if they build to something bigger, then, as a secondary concern, that story ought to be cool enough to warrant itself. As, should everything, really. If it's not supporting or validating itself, what's the point?
Morrison and Ha, one hopes, will make all of the previous ranting and sorting seem very relevant and reasonable, in retrospect, and in fact, explain us all the point. With explosions.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:05 / 25.01.06
Yeah, but can anyone confirm that Grant Morrison and Gene Ha are actually gonna do THE AUTHORITY?
 
 
Spaniel
18:16 / 25.01.06
Please. Thanks.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:51 / 25.01.06
Anyone look at this new Wizard issue we've heard about that supposedly says this in print...?
 
 
The Falcon
20:26 / 25.01.06
Well, I can't do it directly but all the comicstore guys that post on boards are doing so. It am fact, okay?!?!
 
 
Mario
21:12 / 25.01.06
I have seen said Wizard, and a tiny piece of promo art (with, oddly, what appears to be TWO Engineers). It's true.
 
 
This Sunday
00:03 / 26.01.06
Angie's been making extra bodies for a bit, now. Possibly since very near when 'The Authority' began.
 
 
Spaniel
05:59 / 26.01.06
Thanks guys.
 
 
Mario
09:28 / 26.01.06
That would explain it....
 
 
FinderWolf
14:11 / 26.01.06
By the way, is that issue of Wizard a good one? It seems to me like most issues of Wizard are a few decent news stories and then a lot of filler junk...but 1 in every 7 issues or so seems actually filled with content to me. Just curious to hear your impressions of the new one with the Morrison news...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
14:53 / 26.01.06
late at night I read it as "Angie's been making extra boobies", which wouldn't be bad.
 
 
Mario
16:33 / 26.01.06
"a few decent news stories and then a lot of filler junk"

Yeah, that's basically it. Of course, the dividing line between news and filler is different for each reader....
 
 
FinderWolf
16:54 / 26.01.06
Very true. I found their year-end issue last month was the most substantial I'd seen in a while, because a lot of it was news that hadn't yet been broken on the internet, preview art and such that wasn't to be found anywhere else, tons of interviews not found elsewhere, etc. I get the impression that the year-end stuff might be more chock full of actual content because it's a huge 'preview of the next year' thing...that, and Wizard seems to be more sensitive now to getting exclusives that aren't just reproduced from Newsarama articles.
 
 
The Falcon
19:31 / 26.01.06
Here you go for ultraconfirm.

New Palestinian doc in effect, and Jenny representing Singapore on the T.
 
 
Aertho
19:36 / 26.01.06
Is that Rose Tattoo, all crouched in the Feral/Wolvesbane/Wolverine/Silverclaw/Ripclaw/Warblade position of the group shot?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:01 / 26.01.06
Jenny Quantum pulling Singapore like Sparks did with Britain is a great touch. And I'm interested to see more of this new Doctor, seeing as I haven't been reading any of the more recent Authority stuff on the grounds that I don't particularly like the art.
 
 
Optimistic
20:05 / 26.01.06
Rose Tattoo was turned into the spirit of life (or something like that) rather than the spirit of death/murder, by the new doctor in the final issue of Revolution.

(Hope I'm remembering this correctly)

...and joined the team...
 
 
The Falcon
13:49 / 27.01.06
Yupppers. But hold on, there's eight of 'em then?

That must mean they are eeevil according to the new rules of Granto-numerology. Hrrm.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
13:55 / 27.01.06
Well, Elllis did originally state that the Authority were meant to be the "villains of their own story"...
 
 
The Falcon
20:13 / 09.02.06
Double confirm; bimonthly, alternating w/ WildCATS & Authority, lovely Gene Ha wallpaper of latter if so inclined (I know I am.)
 
 
Jack Fear
10:58 / 10.02.06
Huh.

It's entirely in character for me to be unexcited by this news, because I am Barbelith's designated Grumpy Old Man Who Hates Fun (And Franchise Comics). But doesn't thereaction seem a bit... muted?

Compare the way this news has been greeted with, say, the sight-unseen hosannahs that began as soon as the Morrison/Quitely X-Men was announced. The contrast is striking: I have yet to see a single "OMG this is gonna be soooo f-in' sweet".

So what's going on? Is THE AUTHORITY simply well past its freshness date? Is WILDCATS such a pig's ear that no-one can imagine even Grant turning it into a silk purse?
 
 
_Boboss
11:17 / 10.02.06
thing is, there's a zillion and one of you who think that grumpy old man schtick is fresh. you all nicked it third hand from warren ellis, remember? the authority's fans are a steely, no-nonsense, show me the money bunch of hard, realist, suicide-boy cynics who smoke while surfing the internet, and as such are hardly prone to the kind of gleeful exclamations you're looking for. an entirely different beast to those that dwell in the x-men hive.

(although, weren't the responses from the xmen fans quite 'meh' at the time too? they weren't all that excited by quitely/mozza, because they're quite content to put up with scott lobdell.)
 
  

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