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Dr. Seuss and Maurice Sendak and Rhythm or Rhyme?

 
 
ShadowSax
13:43 / 20.01.06
Theres this article I grabbed via Arts and Letters Daily and I thought it was pretty cool so why not share.

It's about Green Eggs and Ham. I've always loved children's books, started collected them about a decade ago, in anticipation of having a few of the little buggers running around. Now I have a few, two of the little buggers, tho of course now theyre not little buggers, theyre perfect little angels. I'm glad that I have an original reprint of Uncle Remus's stories and some ancient Pooh hardcovers. But we still always go back to the simple ones.

In the article, the author puts forth two arguments of the appeal of this book in particular and Seuss in general. What I like about the two examples he gives (one his own and one a more hi falutin one) is that they represent two vastly different ways of approaching the puzzle. I think Seuss was a genius, and reading the knockoffs of his writing makes this very clear. It's simply not very easy to imitate his rhymes, his pace, his words.

I use Green Eggs and Ham, very simply, as an example for my boyz to follow when they dont want to try something. It works, dammit. But there is something else that works, something that makes me pick these books up for my kids not only because of the lessons that I remember, but because of the feeling i remember having as a kid reading these books. There is more there.

I bring up Sendak because he has as much "there" as any other writer I can think of along with Seuss. Just as a starting point.
 
 
HCE
22:02 / 21.01.06
I'm afraid I don't quite see where you want to go with this thread. General discussion of favorite kidlit? Or compare/contrast Seuss & Sendak specifically?
 
 
ShadowSax
20:30 / 24.01.06
hey. i guess all i can do is refer one to the article and hope to get responses to it, thoughts, etc., based on two different approaches to what is appealing about good kidlit.
 
 
Spaniel
17:07 / 25.01.06
I use Green Eggs and Ham, very simply, as an example for my boyz to follow when they dont want to try something. It works, dammit.

[quick post before I go off and read the article]

Wow, does it really? I dug it out of my mother's attic the other week in preparation for my little 'un's arrival. I think I could well end up giving that tactic a go.
 
 
ShadowSax
17:23 / 25.01.06
it really does. it gets them to try most things i put before them. our rule at home is that they have to at least try it. the kids are still too young to force too much down their throats, but they'll try anything. it's not foolproof, sometimes they spit the stuff out. but i have a 5 yr old who loves broccoli, and i consider that to be a major victory.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:55 / 25.01.06
ShadowSax: I think you're proceeding from a false dichotomy. Does it have to be either/or? Why can't it be both/and? he's talking, basically, about substance and style—and ideally, a work will have both.

I'm not crazy about Seuss, frankly: it's entertaining doggerel, but doggerel nonetheless. Sendak, though—that's the real music. The poetry—and I would call his stuff poetry, yes—is all about the rhythm. I saw a museum retrospective of Sendak's book work, and was not surprised to see that, despite the grogeous illustrations, it all begins with the text.

I love the way Sendak fragments the texts, the grammar undiagrammable (the long run-on sentence that begins Where The Wild Things Are), the diction jazzy but somehow archaic. Listen to them read by a competent narrator, and they crackle with life.

And Sendak's work seems touched with a weird sort of melancholy, something that seems very true to childhood. He isn't just writing for kids—he's writing about them, in a way that Geisel didn't. From a piece in Slate (emphasis mine):

"Mischief-maker though he is, Max lays down the law to the wild things; he parrots his bossy mother as he rebukes the beasts. Meanwhile, she's plainly cooling down offstage; on the last page, she has his supper set out for him in his bedroom. Sendak's is a spiky parable about the struggle for self-control, and it speaks to big readers and small listeners alike. It's a far cry from the chaos the Cat in the Hat wreaks while the kids watch aghast and their mother is off doing who knows what."

Seuss, in his books, doesn't even seem particularly interested in children—not as much as in flumrumplers or schmendlers or thneeds, anyway. Where kids are present in Seuss, they are usually passive patsies, placeholders around which to drop funny words. (This is less true of his "prose" books—the Bartholomew Cubbins stories, for instance, have a few flashes of character—but I think it holds as a general rule.)

Sendak, though, gives us an amazingly accurate and detailed recreations of the feel of childhood—the petty squabbles, the shifting alliances, the occasional unloveliness of it. He did this, he says, by close observation: Rosie was real, he says, a young neighbor of his when he was living in Brooklyn: she would play outside his window and he would write down her riffs. And Rosie is indelible, while "Sally and I" and Cindy Lou Who are ciphers and shadows.

(Ted Geisel and his wife were unable to have kids: I don't know anything about Sendak's parental status or his sexuality, and it doesn't really matter. The point is that he watches, and he remembers, in a way that Seuss never did.)

And honestly, Geisel's art was never much more than functional. Sendak's works his compositions, matching the visuals with the text on a thematic level—look at how Wild Things starts off with text and image on spearate pages, the pictures squeezed down to a frame at the center of the page, the frame gradually expanding, going full-bleed, before exploding into those cinematic double-spreads, then pulling back in as normalcy is restored. Or the astonishing detail of the Winsor MacKay homage In The Night Kitchen, with its cityscapes of brand-name foodstuffs—nostalgic, creepy, and visionary all at once.
 
 
Spaniel
18:14 / 25.01.06
Annnnd I'll be digging out my old copy of Where the Wild Things Are...

Thanks for the wonderful reminder, Jack.
 
 
ShadowSax
18:35 / 25.01.06
jack, certainly both could work. i didnt mean the two to be mutually exclusive. sorry if my wording wasnt perfect there.

i agree about sendak. i wrote a piece on "wild things" about 2 years ago and enjoyed revisiting the book, still my favorite. the text is basically a free verse poem. the art grows with the tale, taking up gradually more of the page until the fantasy peaks with max riding on the monsters thru the forest, no words to be found.

you dont offer much reason for seuss's popularity, tho. he is indisputably popular and this surprises even me, someone who does enjoy him. i'm not sure why. i think it has more to do with his prose than with the images. like i said above, it's not easy to imitate his writing and the beat of it, the rhymes and the patterns, they are somehow naturally appealing to the ear.

i disagree about seuss's art. it's not as complex from an intellectual standpoint as sendak's but it's nonetheless very unique and appealing. his strange caricatures and not-of-this-world sceneries somehow seem perfectly natural to see. i dont know if this is due to his omnipresence in our childhoods, but i sense it's something more. i think seuss had a kind of portal into the most basic of our childhood instincts and sensabilities.

and many of seuss's books did indeed have important child characters, many simply seen thru the eyes of a child. not "green eggs," but certainly "cat in the hat," "mulberry street," "if i ran the zoo," etc., mostly looking at a situation thru a child's imagination, which is exactly what "wild things" does.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:29 / 25.01.06
Well, yeah. But it doesn't give those children anything to do, except imagine. There's no conflict. What I like about Sendak is that he respects his kids' competencies, gives them problems and then lets them solve those problems themselves.
 
  
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