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Planetary #24 (lots of spoilers)(maybe)

 
 
Captain Zoom
23:00 / 18.01.06
I'm quite excited that the series is wrapping up, albeit a bit slowly.

Does anyone else think (after having read this issue) that perhaps Ambrose is the fictional being brought back from planet fiction? It would have been a good place to send himself, as the fiction ship was there and all. And when they open up the ship the fictionauts have been killed by violating various laws of physics, which really fits with Ambrose's powers. Maybe? Possibly?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
23:17 / 18.01.06
Huh? But that doesn't make sense. Did he send himself back in time and become fictional to then...what?

This issue was all right, mostly because they tried to do the explodey with Snow. It was fun, but we'll have to see; I'm unsure what system Jakita is supposed to represent.
 
 
Mario
00:00 / 19.01.06
Not unless Warren is lying. He's said that we won't be seeing the "fictonaut" again.

Personally, I was a little disappointed with this issue. It reads like the last chapter of an old-fashioned mystery novel, where the star detective sits down and tells the assembled cast (and, by extension, the reader) everything he's worked out.

But with the exception of the ID4 moment, nothing really happened. And I'm getting tired of waiting.
 
 
Jack Fear
00:10 / 19.01.06
It reads like the last chapter of an old-fashioned mystery novel, where the star detective sits down and tells the assembled cast (and, by extension, the reader) everything he's worked out.

Well, Snow is the detective archetype, after all—and it's not like he hasn't done just that sort of thing before, in #12. A deliberate hearkening to that, perhaps—an allusion to the originally-intended two-year structure of the story—two "seasons" of twelve eps apiece, two season finales, and the wrap-up in a two-hour special...
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:28 / 19.01.06
Well, maybe. But I'd feel better if I knew he was dragging it out like this on purpose -- the structural reverse of 24.

Of course, there could be a stretching metaphor going on right up until we see Dowling, and wot the Bleed did do ta him-uh.
 
 
sleazenation
08:23 / 19.01.06
Mario... but didn't Ellis also go to great pains to deny that Snow was the fourth man... up until he revealed that Snow was indeed the fourth man...

I dunno. I remember that I wonce enjoyed planetary... about four or five years ago... a lot of factors many of them to do with the lateness of the book and it's changing structure, have brought me to a point where I have difficultly caring about it. It feels like it's taking a long time to say very little, an impression that is only enhanced by its overarching theme of 20th century culture... In a veryreal sense, Planetary is not giving us anything that we haven't seen before, and increasing not anything that we haven't seen reinvented before. If the series is about archeology, then I'm affraid that its poderous frequency, coupled with its slight page count and a commitment to telling a complete story per issue (although even this rule has been backed away from over the years) has left it looking like a dinosaur....

I'm sure this reads better as a series of collections, but my point is that in the time it has taken for various collections to come out, I have, to a large extent, lost interest in the series... I like a good graphic novel as much as the next person, but how long is the wait between collections now?
 
 
Mario
10:57 / 19.01.06
Mario... but didn't Ellis also go to great pains to deny that Snow was the fourth man... up until he revealed that Snow was indeed the fourth man...

Yeah, hence my Not unless Warren is lying comment.

I think what bugs me the most about the book is that it seems to be spinning in place. One could literally jump straight from issue #16 to #24 without missing any real character or plot development (since Warren lays out the important bits in this issue).

That was 28 months ago.
 
 
This Sunday
14:15 / 19.01.06
Am I the only one, then, who cares far more about the meta aspects than the in-story plot and mechanics? 'Planetary' has consistently worked for me because I'm interested mostly in Warren's thoughts on certain tropes and aspects and I read the book for those, just as I read 'A Feast Unknown' or Farmer's fictional biographies of Tarzan and Doc Savage, or Moore's 'League of Extraordinary Gentlemen'... the analysis and fan-based (that is, fanatic) extrapolation they contain. The bits for The Spider, in a recent issue, were for me, spot on in explicating the idea-impetus behind the proper Spider, The Shadow, and such, as utterly mad, violent, sensualist assholes, who happen to be wealthier, better armed, and quite possibly just superior to you... and hence get away with it. Shock and awe, terror and effectiveness, run rampant and all hopped up on sadism and drugs. In nice coats.
The actual story is simply an excuse, in the same sense as, say, 'Sartor Resartus' or Sade's 'Justine' to talk about stuff. To fictionalize nonfictional elements and theories, making them more effectively digested by being demonstrated and represented, shown rather than entirely told.
And there's always lovely in-story or character bits - at least to my mind - in every issue. "How's the west coast?" "Strange." "Glad to hear it." or "Worst. Rescue. Ever."
Is the Jakita as branched from Tarzan to German Superman ever going to be fleshed out and connected, possibly, to them hypersonic angelic recorder aliens? Will everyone be rescued and the fictonaut reappearance delicately detailed? Will Drums find true love and finally settle down with only one, special television set in wedded bliss?
Will I be disappointed if none of these happen, but there's a few more tropes, types, and standards explored on which there is put a purified, central, and witty explication?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
14:43 / 19.01.06
Keeping in mind that my comics are all boxed up waiting to be moved, so I can't pull stuff out to examine as I type:

While the pacing has become so glacial or even non-existent, because haven't we been waiting to see Dowling forever without more than a couple hints as to what we can expect -- even with that fact, there are issues I've really enjoyed, and I quite appreciate different aspects of the series.

"Death Machine Telemetry," with Melanctha, is a good example of a story I really dug, even though not terribly much happened; it explicated a few important concepts, was paced oddly but beautifully (the opening and closing pages with Snow coming and going were quite simple but elegant ... especially the cinematic touch with the credits), and certainly allowed for an alternate reading of Doctor Strange and magical theory in general, although I like that by implication Melanctha's a bit blind to the possibilities of the world by her own mindset.

I think the problem with Planetary which is at the heart of the pacing issue is that these are about adventure stories, these are weird science adventure stories, Ellis is exploring the tropes of pulp adventure and sci-fi, but it becomes, at times, a dissertation on adventure rather than an actual adventure. Jakita, through twist of genetics, is easily bored. She goes out to adventure to relieve this boredom, but by that logic she should be going out all the time to have these strange adventures, go exploring the unknown, she should be doing that all the time, but she doesn't seem to, and the adventure aspect seems to recede away from us, and her, and the tedium threatens, and can even taint the more beautiful concept.

I think the problem might be the overarching plot with the Four. The early stories were beautiful, fun, and self-contained -- the more recent ones all relate to their fight with the Four, and he's trying to draw out the suspense, but he's really incapacitating the adventure. Breaking it up with more true adventure stories in between the decompressed over-arc would help. "Mystery in Space" was interesting but flawed in that we were essentially watching people watching other entities having the adventure. It's not Jakita, Snow, and the Drummer out there in space. It's the angels, and Planetary is watching them, we're twice removed from the wonder and terror.

Ironically, Planetary has skipped a few of Ellis's tics -- the random bursts of fetish culture and non-mainstream sexuality, for example -- but the flavour comes across as too dusty at times. This isn't just a case of no punchy-punchy, and you can't claim the joys of a comic based on different kinds of conflict when it's ultimately a revenge comic.
 
 
This Sunday
16:11 / 19.01.06
See, I just don't think it's a revenge comic, necessarily, at core. It's (a) a mystery (because all good serial fiction needs a bit of mystery, or an excuse for reveals and suspension) and (b) very likely a rescue mission. And it can posit, on a big level, that all stories, or most, are rescue missions/stories. Retrieval and preservation attempts.
What's the Phil Dick thing...? All the world, and the world's stories, are the male aspect of God trying to recover the hidden female aspect, which is in fact, sustained, and probably not requiring any rescue... which is in fact precisely what the male aspect needs. Something like that.
If Dick can posit all stories are the bones of this lost women, then, surely, 'all stories are rescue and preservation' is valid as well.
The revenge deal is just a hook, discarded in many ways, already, specifically and loudly with the Melanctha pronouncements, and it seems to be Snow alone, who is determined to force it to be a revenge story.
A story about trying to have a (certain/specific) story?
 
 
Captain Zoom
16:47 / 19.01.06
I think in the end, Planetary is going to read bloody well as a series of trades, or one big phone book format book, but the wait between issues makes the serialized read a pain in the ass. As has been said, not much seems to happen, which makes the wait anticlimactic. Even the end of this issue, which was cool, seemed to be thrown in just to say "Hey, look, we still have action here!" I mean, for the last 50 years the Four have wantonly destroyed and pillaged and everyday joe has had no idea. Even though two of their number are done with, it doesn't seem to be in Dowling's personality to out and out destroy a building in broad daylight. How do you cover that up? What kind of spin can you put on a giant blue laser from space destroying a downtown building. I think a much more subtle attack would have seemed more in character, not just for Dowling, but for the series at this point, and still have made the statement that there's still action going on in the book.

That said, I'm still pretty excited about the final few issues. Pain in the ass that Ellis won't revisit the fictionaut. I think that was my fave bit.
 
 
This Sunday
02:01 / 22.01.06
It may be me, but the Planetary team really are shaping up to be Dr. Doom (bitter, science-lovin', 'only I can save everyone and am right' fellow), the Mad Thinker (mad, thinking, puts masses of random and ambient info together to predict future stuff; the hair), and Namor (come from a secret, hidden city, with megapotent strength, speed, and other powers beyond the average human type). And, aside from being the detective issue, where The Detective says things like 'the game is afoot' it might actually be a, what honest and earnest supervillains do on an average given day.
The 'hitting Drums' thing is played for laugh, but the 'four hundred people'/'four hundred of my people' thing...? That's some ugly sentiment there, and just more proof to me that Snow might be trying to redirect the narrative. 'Not playing anyone's game' as it were.
 
 
This Sunday
03:29 / 22.01.06
Or, Snow's the fictional character, hence his not-living/fake-living status and his ability to interact with - not stand-ins or archetypes, but the actual Holmes, Dracula, et cetera. Yeah, copyrights and trademarks, but I'm not letting that get in the way of my random mad speculation.
I'm kinda wondering if his pet superspy isn't actually feeding him his brilliantly detected analysis stuff, and Snow's just a cranky mouthpiece who sounds good and wears the right suit.
Anyone: Snow and Jenny Sparks in bed, when and where was this panel? My brain didn't just make that up, did it?
 
 
A
05:14 / 22.01.06
Snow and Jenny Sparks in the sack was in the Planetary/Authority crossover thing.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
14:05 / 22.01.06
totally off-topic, but this is from Ellis' latest BAD SIGNAL newsletter, sent today:

I know some of you have been
wondering why I haven't been in
touch much, and I know a lot of my
offices keep tabs on this list to
see if I'm working. So hopefully I'll
catch all of you with this email and
not have to mess around with a
bunch of others.

My mother died this afternoon
after a decade-long fight with
cancer. She was 59. I was there
when she went. We knew last week
that this was it, and she went
peacefully, in her sleep, at the
hospital.

Damn right I'm in the pub.

Unlikely to be around much over
the next few days.


condolences to his family.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:20 / 26.01.06
Random question: the solicits for the latest Planetary issue showed Snow's hand holding up a puzzle piece with part of the globe on it. But the cover of #24 is the ancient book-cover-looking design. Maybe the solicits gave us the cover of 25 when they said 24? Maybe the puzzle piece cover is some weird variant cover thing (although I can't imagine them doing variant covers for Planetary)...?
 
 
Optimistic
20:02 / 26.01.06
I'd put money on the solicited image being the cover to issue 26.

The final piece of the puzzle.
 
 
matsya
00:52 / 09.02.06
Feeling snarky at work today, so caveats ho, but the next time we have a thread about Planetary, can we not bang on about how long it's been between issues? The point has been made, move on.

I'm not sure what to make of this latest issue, the thing that nags me about the story herein is that it seems to me that Elijah knew that the Four were gunning for him, and that's why he drew J and D down into the basement with him. Which begs the question why didn't he evacuate the entire building based on this knowledge? Maybe this is something Ellis put in deliberately.

Also, any thoughts on the pattern of organisation of the archive's shelving? We got quite a few aerial shots of it, but I can't figure out its significance.
 
 
Mario
01:24 / 09.02.06
A snowflake, perhaps?
 
 
This Sunday
03:13 / 09.02.06
I think the point with the shelves was that something was forming. There was an obvious or inferred pattern being established. As in anything, with the right scope and perspective.
And I still think Snow's Doctor Doom with Jakita 'Namor McKenzie' Wagner and The 'The Mad Thinker' Drummer backing him up.
It's the oneshots that cemented it for me: Planetary/Authority showed The Authority as the supervillains we all knew them to be, and JLA/Planetary reiterated some inherent villainy qualities to our three lovelies.
Snow doesn't save everybody because the nameless, faceless day-to-day workers are simply not worth his time. They're fodder and he's a bastard. Let's not forget the torture of William Leather, here.
I'm planning on re-reading the whole series this weekend in one go. Haven't done that since about issue twelve. If only I can get the oneshots in the right places (excluding the JLA cross-over which is most likely completely separate - unless that's where we get some of the fictonaut stuff coming through... and finally figure out what's going on with Drums in that thing.). There's an actual reference in the series proper to the Batman one, right?

We should start compiling annotations for this series, y'know? We're uniquely equipped for reasons I can't actually explicate. List and place everything from the 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' reference in 'Night on Earth' to Melanctha being named after a magicky woman from a Stein short and being etymologically a flower like the one that starts showing up as replacement snowflake. And when the whole thing's done, we can look like idiots for some of the wilder speculation thrown out as blatant, obvious fact... when it really doesn't fit what we actually get.

And we never did get to the bottom of the submarine, did we?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
03:39 / 09.02.06
Daytripper: And when the whole thing's done, we can look like idiots for some of the wilder speculation thrown out as blatant, obvious fact... when it really doesn't fit what we actually get.

Being a crackpot's what it's all about. And I suppose I hope that we never get to the bottom of that submarine, because a few mysteries need to be there, left for us to solve on our own.

I like the notion of Snow as Doom, Jakita as Namor, and the Drummer as the Mad Thinker. Snow isn't properly alive...like a Doomboot!

I think the bit that has always stuck out for me about Planetary was Doc Brass remarking that Snow was invisible "on the olfactory landscape." A small, intriguing detail.
 
 
Triplets
17:05 / 09.02.06
And that Dowling has a funky odour, remember.

It gets better when you realise the Hark's are The Mandarin (by way of Hero in respect to the mother) - Asian, masterminds, responsible for excavating powerful xenotechnology.

Doc Brass is Captain America.
 
 
Triplets
17:08 / 09.02.06
And, and (if it's not a throwaway line/red herring) if Snow is smelless and Dowling smells foul what does this say about the two? Dowling is Snow's opposite (well, thematically, yuss)? Or perhaps Dowling is Snow and could only disguise his scent from Brass (and others) by removing it completely? Harumph.

After all, what better way to use the world's greatest superarchaeology organisation than to become it's leader, along with all his secret knowledge and what you've been looking for all along: Century Baby Power. Snow mentioned personality reconstruction this ish, that particular tech is out there, what if Dowling is wearing Snow like a suit?

First image of Snow back in Planetary: looking in a mirror... admiring his new 'outfit'. Perhaps that's mystery of the series: who is Elijah Snow. Well, he's Dowling. Until the Snow persona hands him a psychic beatdown... We end up with Planetary absorbing the Four's total archive, Ambrose gets rewritten back into the story and we get the Planetary Four...
 
 
This Sunday
18:16 / 29.03.06
Could the personality reconstruction of Leather, refer to the process(es) Doc Savage used to put criminal types through? The brain surgery techniques to make them proper, functional citizens? Or is this something likely to be in-line with whatever John Stone's up to, and purely a psychological operation?

There hasn't been a solid issue examining the bastard-tendencies of certain fictional types, especially in their early years,from the Man of Bronze's brainsurgeries to Reed Richards hypntizing those Skrulls to be cows. It's been present all through the series, but it's almost a 'growing up' deal, prevalent enough to qualify was its own issue.

I dunno, I just noticed there are to be twenty-seven issues, so we've got one more that I thought. Which means, one more focus-point, before it's over.
 
  
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