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Scrambled Password Bogus Email
15:13 / 18.01.06
Click here for a little flash movie and then hand over your email address to sign up for 42 days of meditations on Gratitude...

They are collecting 1 million people to take part in this
and using the ideas of Dr. Masaru Emoto and water that changes through positive energy - well, a woman had a spiritual awakening and has a theory on this one symbol she has doodled, representing Gratitude...as you may know, a favourite little foible of mine lately.

The movie is to awaken this key within a person...watch it and see what you think, sign up for the newsletter and see what happens...
 
 
c0nstant
16:35 / 18.01.06
I just get a connection failure error whenever I try to sign up for the newsletter
 
 
Morgana
17:32 / 18.01.06
Isn't Emoto rather a nutter? As far as I know, he hasn't been able to give any reasonable proof that emotions or symbols can affect water in any way, so far. I know some people who tried his experiments - without any results...
 
 
Sekhmet
17:55 / 18.01.06
The soundtrack on that sounds like a binaural beat track masked over ocean waves with some subliminals added... it might be more effective if you listen to it with stereo headphones.

That is, if you don't mind receiving subliminals from people you don't know.
 
 
grant
18:21 / 18.01.06
Interesting -- it seems very California, in that it appears to be a magical branding exercise. A metaphysical MLM scheme based not on money but on awareness of that circle-g logo (if you look at it funny, it becomes a conch or whelk egg case).

I signed up. You know, early adopter, lots of profits.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
22:06 / 18.01.06
Isn't Emoto rather a nutter?

I've no idea...can you provide some links to critique of his, admittedly rather flaky sounding, theories?

I first encountered him, rather synchronistically, while fasting and deciding whether or not to obtain distilled water for the duration...He is adamant that distilled water is Bad News because of the effects on its crystalline structure and vibratory damage, or some such thing...I'd be interested to read support / debunking of his ideas if you know where they are.

Might check the Laboratory forum, actually.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
22:11 / 18.01.06
it seems very California

just wait 'til you get the emails...I'm not sure what to make of it yet. A bit buzz-words and clever-clever New Age occasionally, but pretty positive and I appreciate the aim...It's a bit of an elaborate email chain letter, really, you know one of those 'send to five people for really dramatic luck jobbies...Based around meditating on that gratitude sigil daily...
 
 
Morgana
08:14 / 19.01.06
Unfortunately, the water-discussion I participated in, recently, was in German, so I can't really provide any links. But there's a Wikipedia-entry with references to critical sites. Perhaps I'll re-read the German discussion and extract some of the results later, when I got the time...
 
 
Sekhmet
12:32 / 26.01.06
Could these e-mails be any fluffier? It's like being slowly smothered in cotton candy...
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:57 / 26.01.06
You say that like its a bad thing.

Just don't swallow too much and it'll be fine.

I say that to all the girls.

Actually, some of them do have a bit more content. Stick with it. As an exercise only, turn off your cynical critic and meditate on them for no more (but no less) then five minutes. The idea is to create a pattern of vibration within the 70-75% water content of your body...
 
 
trouser the trouserian
13:02 / 26.01.06
Some debunking going on here: Water Cluster Quackery
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:31 / 26.01.06
Fantastic site...laugh out loud funny!

So blow the 'watery' vibratory side of the 'experiment' and try to un-scoff at the New Age pseudo-babble of the emails and just read them for what they are...little meditations on gratitude.

Or don't. Whatever you like.
 
 
Morgana
14:16 / 26.01.06
Ah, thanks for the link! I suppose there's no more to be said about Emoto & Co., then.
 
 
Char Aina
14:49 / 26.01.06
i'm in.
i have also sent an email to the dudes running it asking for a bit of unpackage on the extent to which emoto's ideas have been relied upon and what lengths the gratitude guys have gone to to corroborate his information.
i'll let you guys know what they say if and when i recieve a response.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
15:05 / 26.01.06
Ooh, that was a good idea.

That debunking page is great, but I still, on a totally different slant and looking at the author's first paragraph, wouldn't drink tap water if you paid me.

Though I have to bathe in the stuff, so I guess it's small potatoes in the long run.

Must. Get. Away. From. City.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:38 / 26.01.06
What do you drink instead of tap water?
 
 
grant
19:41 / 26.01.06
Blood of the living.

Duh.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
21:38 / 26.01.06
With menses of the Goddess for weekends and parties. You know, occasions.

Keep up, Shaftoe, you spend far too much time in the Music forum.




Actually, either Aqua Pura, Highland Spring or distilled water when I can get it for less than a kings ransom, off my brother-in-law, who's a chemist.

Mineral water from certified organic soils with less than 150mg of dry residue per litre after evaporation, and as low in chlorides, sulphates, nitrates and other inorganic minerals as its possible to get, basically.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
21:41 / 26.01.06
Failing that, anything without insecticides and byproducts of the aluminium production process in it, really.

Here kids! Drink insecticides! They look after your teeth!

God, I love this country.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:10 / 26.01.06
Yeah, but what you gain in alleged personal health from not drinking tap water you make up for in the packaging waste and transport-related CO2 emissions that tends to be inherent in bottled water. Unless I'm misunderstanding and you go and fill up your own bottles...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:47 / 26.01.06
which would actually still lead to carbon emissions through your journey.

What can I say? My New Years Resolutions rest solely on trying to reduce my carbon footprint. Bathing in this stuff seems like a particularly carbon-consuming action.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
00:15 / 27.01.06
Bathing in this stuff seems like a particularly carbon-consuming action.

Um, misunderstanding much? You might want to re-read that post.

And yes, I have an 8 litre drum my brother fills up for me, from work, with distilled water. He'd be driving to work anyway, y'know?

Me, I walk to work and back, four miles each way, as I believe I've mentioned before in the fasting thread.

All household waste is recycled chez Money $hot, including organic waste, which is actually among the biggest problems of them all (as it's usually wrapped in plastic).

This is my mate's company, and if you get one of these digesters it turns all the organic waste from your consumption into nutrient rich, useful compost. Plus, you know, it pays his way. Even if you don;t have a garden, or allotment, maybe you know someone who does?

Do you have any useful tips or hints for how to reduce your carbon imprint Nina? Another friend of mine is investigating how to make bio-diesel, and convert his car engine to run on vegetable oil, which apparently is very do-able. It's a fascinating topic.

Apparently, if you can generate sufficient electricity from alternative, carbon free sources for businesses or venue's etc. the power companies will gladly buy any and all excess back off you.

For cleansing retreats, ashrams, schools of yoga and such like which encourage lengthy stays (of more than a few days, say) this is a fantastic way to promote and benefit the system generally...anyone who stays will have a negative carbon footprint for as long as they remain in residence.

It's a foetus of a developing plan I have for the next ten years, actually, my retirement scheme. I'd be very interested to hear any further ideas you may have. Perhaps in another thread?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
00:36 / 27.01.06
Yeah, but what you gain in alleged personal health from not drinking tap water you make up for in the packaging waste and transport-related CO2 emissions that tends to be inherent in bottled water.

I don't quite understand this...How is packaging waste and CO2 emissions 'making up for' my tendency to avoid supertoxic poisons in the water I use to build new cells in my body? Can a useful comparison really be made here?

Are you suggesting I owe it to the planet to consume poisoned water? That some kind of 'toxic equation' is balanced out to the detriment of the planet so that I can be free of insecticides and heavy metals in the water I drink? Fuck, I'm a selfish bastard!

Man, its a tough world. So many routes for the modern urban martyr. If only I'd thought this through, I wouldn't keep making such a galoot of myself.

Maybe I make up for that by eating mainly raw foods though! Ovens are, what, 8Kwh devices? Even gas, that's part of the problem, huh? Electric, though - man, that's a lot of coal and wotnot to strip all the enzymes and vitamins out of the food you're eating, right? What figure does that put after the 'minus' sign?

This equation is getting complex. [gumby]My brain hurts! [/gumby]. I need a calculator!

etc.
 
 
Morgana
05:57 / 27.01.06
Uhm... I always thought it was not healthy to drink distilled water???

I don't know how it is where you live, but in Germany we are told that tap-water is the best you can get, even better than bottled water, due to the low permissible values being put on it. And I think water is something you can't "grow organic", because pollution is everywhere.

Anyway, I think it's still much more healthy to drink tap-water or bottled mineral water than having soda pops all day.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:08 / 27.01.06
I think we've got a classic dichotomy here - not wishing to rot, but it's quite an interesting example. On the one hand, we have the importance of keeping the individual body clean - by drinking only mineral water, in this case. On the other hand, we have the importance of limiting damage to the environment - by not transporting water further than necessary, not packaging it in plastic &c. Then, at a broader level, you've got the damage that transporting water, sealing water in plastic etc does to the environment ultimately does to the human - if everyone is drinking mineral water to avoid impurities in tap water, the process of creating the bottles pollutes the water supplies and makes the general quality of water being consumed by everyone worse.

Quite an interesting, if rather brief, article on the ethics of bottled water here.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:30 / 27.01.06
Money $hot, I'm sorry if anything I said appeared to be snarky and caused you to respond in kind. My only intention was to point out that there are downsides - environmental impacts and thus ultimately human impacts - to bottled water, which not everyone may have been aware of. However it does sound like you're very concerned about issues of environmental sustainability, have thought about them a lot and are doing a lot about it.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:55 / 27.01.06
Money $hot I thought you welcomed being questioned.

I suppose we were just psychically meant to know all of that before you explained it? Fly's being nice to you but I think you just over-reacted big style. Your explanation's a good one however it wasn't quite originally obvious from either Aqua Pura, Highland Spring or distilled water when I can get it for less than a kings ransom, off my brother-in-law, who's a chemist. See that or, that's what makes it less clear than mineral water.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:02 / 27.01.06
And thanks for the link to bokashi bins but I still can't afford one at the moment. They're bloody expensive.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:28 / 27.01.06
New Thread for liquid loquaciousness.
 
 
trouser the trouserian
12:30 / 27.01.06
Maybe we should take a tip from Gandhi and drink piss
 
 
Sekhmet
19:11 / 01.03.06
*bump*

Just curious as to whether anyone else who has been receiving the Gratitude e-mail messages has any thoughts about them.

Personally, I find most of them a bit obtuse. A couple have been genuinely thought-provoking, and I have liked some of the quotations included from other sources - but the main messages, for the most part, it seem merely to be exercises in New Age wordplay without much content behind them.

Like this:

circular thinking creates structures for
receiving abundant returns.

in order to receive stored blessings,
one must believe it possible, conceive a plan
and follow this journey to Source.

full circle. complete.

imagine - creating 'then' Now by
simply believing, conceiving and receiving...
all in the name of Gratitude!

***

Go Gratitude!

***

"old school karma" got all twisted up
in an illusion of eternity.

nowhere to go? now here to Go.

twisted how simple it is...
write before hour eyes spelling space
into for-ever...


Yeah, okay. So what the hell does that mean? It's all dressed up as a profound insight, but I don't think there's anybody at home.

Fluffy fluffluff.

And they're trying to sell us greeting cards and posters, did you notice?


I don't know, I was hopeful about it at the beginning, but I now feel fairly "meh" about the whole thing...
 
 
grant
20:14 / 01.03.06
Yeah, the links to people who have helped the project or are offering lovely pieces of art just like this one here get to be more and more MLM-feeling. But I don't think it's conscious, if that's any consolation.
 
  
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