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Dr Van Hagens is back - Live autopsies on UK TV again.

 
 
Supaglue
11:53 / 18.01.06
After the first series discussed here

He's back with 'life & death' autopsies about disease and the causes of death and the spread fo disease


Is anyone watching it? Got any views?

Not being of a medical or scientific background, I'm enjoying aspects of it, but it seems like alot of the criticisms of the previous series have not been remedied:

1. If it is for educational purposes, why does the camera often cut to members of the audience spewing, grimacing, looking green, or whatever? titillation?

2. Van Hagens himself. Too much of a showman for scientific education? Perhaps it's merely in the historical vein (pun intended)of this kind of thing - the 'theatre' aspect, but does he have to wear a wide brimmed hat that makes him look like the witchhunter-general?

I also find him difficult to understand when every word is full-stopped (perhaps unfair - maybe the guy is just looking for the right words in translation).

3. Where do the bodies come from - Siberian 'institute' anybody?

4. Some of the explanations are a little patronising and perhaps unnecessary and sometimes gratuitous - Arterial sclerosis was demonstrated with two tubes: one thin, one thick. Fluid that would be blood is passed through them. And guess what? The thinner one carries less fluid. Noooo. Don't say.

In another example, was there a need to pass UV dye through a dead old woman's arterial system? We all know how it works - he'd already shown us.




So I'm in two minds about the show, but am addicted so will be watching tonight. I think he's exploding soemone's bowel, or something. Should be fun. Anyone else?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
12:25 / 18.01.06
For me, it seems too sensational. I can't quite explain my objection- which is why I'm keeping an open mind- but I'm thinking of it as perhaps something that might devalue science?
 
 
c0nstant
18:23 / 18.01.06
I'm a smoker, therefore I am STUDIOUSLY avoiding this.
 
 
c0nstant
23:08 / 18.01.06
backpedal: I actually watched this tonight and once I got over my squeamishness it was actually hugely interesting. I particularly liked the intenstinal rupture experiment, that was funny and informative in equal measures. The live model they had showing the placement of the internal organs was pretty buff which added to the enjoyment.

At first I was put off by the whole idea, it seemed to be nothing more than an exhbitionist ratings grabber ("look! corpses! on tv!") but watching it tonight, I actually think my reaction was more due to the fact that corpses and the internal workings of the body are so far removed from, at least my, immediate environment that I'd become very squeamish and sensitive about them.

Hell, I've never even SEEN a real corpse, and I'm not quite sure if this is a good or a bad thing. Out of sight out of mind right? But does concealing (probably not quite the right term, but it'll do) death and the inner workings of the body make people more afraid of the concept of death or less?
 
 
Supaglue
10:25 / 19.01.06
But did it stop you smoking c0ncept?!

Yeah I enjoyed last night - but was it me, or did that body look a little... er.... off?

Out of sight out of mind right? But does concealing (probably not quite the right term, but it'll do) death and the inner workings of the body make people more afraid of the concept of death or less?

I think its a good thing in that it demystifies the medical profession to an extent, and brings us back towards accepting death and what it looks like. I suppose there's an argument that it desensitises us to death, but its a factor of life we should all see. The problem is in how good taste it's done. Which is one of the criticisms of Van Hagens.

I can't quite explain my objection- which is why I'm keeping an open mind- but I'm thinking of it as perhaps something that might devalue science?

I know what you mean Legba. I can't quite put my finger on it - I didn't think it particulalry necessary to blow up that bowel last night, or get in a cherry pickler crane to help with that kidney experiment, clever as it was (how many times did Van Hagens lasciviously say "the ladies stocking..."?!).

The more I think about it, the more I reckon it's Van Hagens that I dislike. Doctor John's fine (I only assume he's a doctor because he wears a white coat and looks like he has a good golf swing), but GvH just rubs me up the wrong way....
 
  
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