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The Disorder - a new magical communications forum / experiment

 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
03:09 / 17.01.06
http://www.key23.net/occulture/post/326

Summary: A new chaos magic experiment involving a social structure with both hierarchical and chaotic features, ideal for various kinds of magical powergaming.

THE DISORDER - TAKING UP THE SLAQ IN CHAOS MAGIC/KS

WHAT IS THE DISORDER
The Disorder is an attempt to stimulate some New Thought on Chaos Magic by creating a magical communication network with some *structural* features which help make Chaos Magic real. It is an Order about Chaos, and a Chaos about Order.


ABOUT THE DISORDER
The Disorder is a New Magical Enterprise in much the same mode-and-mood as the Z-Cluster. It is perhaps closer to a magical experiment than a magical Order, although it has some features of a Magical Order.

The Disorder is also a Google Mailing List: http://groups.google.com/group/The-Disorder/

To join, send email to: The-Disorder-subscribe@googlegroups.com

Joining this list makes you a member of The Disorder.

http://powerball.com/ is the Core Power of The Disorder, and Internal Affaris of The Disorder are governed by The Holy Powerball. The Powerball is drawn for a Lottery twice a week, and is a Symbol of Fate, as it's result ranges from One (The Individual) to Forty Two (Life, the Universe and Everything.)

The Disorder has two forms of Membership: The Rabble, and The Hierarchy. The Epop of the Hierarchy owns the Mailing List, and leadership is chosen by Powerball. The Rabble have no administrative power.


THE HIERARCHY
The Hierarchy is a Government who's rulers are chosen by chance, skill and magical power: to correctly guess the Powerball is to Rule!

The Hierarchy is ruled by an Epop, who is Chosen by the Powerball, and is the Owner of the List (via the Google Groups Management interface.)

The Epop has absolute power over the administration of the Google Group of The Disorder: they may change policy, ban members etc. at their whim, or pass this power on to others. They may also refuse to hold a Reshuffle in which case, The Disorder must migrate to a new list or die.

While in Power, each Epop may wish to run a social hierarchy on the List, ranking people their Number, with those who guessed Over the Powerball number being at the bottom of the Hierarchy.

The Epop will frequently take a name like "Epop Discordant XXXI" (31) recording their attitude and their Number.


JOINING THE HIERARCHY
To become a member of the Hierarchy, you pick a number between 1 and 42. You then post a Claim to this number to The Disorder mailing list in an email message with the subject line: "My Powerball Number is %n."

example
Subject: My Powerball Number is 31.

The Posting of a Claim makes you a Member of the Hierarchy from the next Reshuffle (not immediately). This prevents people from picking a high position in The Hierarchy when they join The Disorder.

All Claims must be datestamped by Google Groups at least one minute before the Powerball is drawn at 10:59 ET on each Wednesday and Saturday. Any mail with date stamp later than 10:57 ET is elligible only for future Reshuffles.

Each Claim you make supercedes your prior Claim, of course. One can leave the Hierarchy at a Reshuffle if one posts to that effect before the Reshuffle begins, but not before (unless one leaves The Disorder.)


THE RESHUFFLE
An Epop holds power until *ANY* of the six balls drawn in Powerball comes up with the number they Chose to become Epop. When the Epop's number comes up, it is called The Reshuffle. (The Number is the number the Epop Claimed, which may be Lower than the Powerball Number which Chose them - see the Example Section.)

The person who's publically declared Powerball Number is equal to or closest-to-but-under the Powerball Number at the time of the Reshuffle is the new Epop.

It is the responsibility of the Incoming Epop to post a message Claiming they are the new Epop before the next Powerball Drawing. If they Fail to notice they have become Epop before the next Powerball Day, the old Epop continues in power.

The outgoing Epop makes the new Epop the Owner of the mailing list, then drops their own Ownership.

At that point, the new Epop comes to power.

If there are multiple people with the same Claim number, they are all made Owners of the list and may rule Cooperatively for their Epophood, or any may oust another by using the Group Admin Interface to change the status of the other Epops.

Epops should not be shy about remaking the List Policies and Social Conventions in their Own Image, as this Power exists to be worked in creation.

One additional former Epop may be granted Owner status (but no right to use it) to prevent list administration mixups. This Epop is known by the title Lord Byron, for no good reason at all.

Finally, if the Epop's number comes up again (that is, they do not change the Powerball Number that selected them, and it comes up, both deposing and re-selecting them in a single act!) they are Inelligible for a second term, and the next lowest number is declared Epop.


THE RABBLE
The Rabble are members of The Disorder who do not have membership in the Hierarchy. They cannot and will not become List Administrators, nor do they have the power to change the way The Disorder works.

However, neither should they be expected to obey the orders of The Hierarchy, except under unusually strict and domineering Epops, who still have the power to boot and ban The Rabble *at*their*whim*.

Power has it's privileges, but at least The Rabble don't have to worry so much about the Hierarchical Whims of the Epops.

While members of The Hierarchy owe it to the Hierarchy to Obey and should be expected to (at least on list!) The Rabble should do as they Please, under penalty of being Booted.


A WORKED EXAMPLE
(think of these as emails headers)

From: Sitting Epop Sir Julian the Bastard, XII Subject: My Powerball Number is 1.
Body: For the next time, I'm at 1.

From: Fred the Obscure
Subject: My Powerball Number is 23.

From: Malicious Midget
Subject: My Powerball Number is 31.

From: Jack
Subject: My Powerball Number is 14.

From: Fred The Obscure
Subject: Powerball Results - I'm the New Epop, know me as Epop Self Riteous 23.
Body: 11 12 18 43 51 Powerball: 24.

As 12 was Sir Julian the Bastard's Epop Number, and it is Ball 2, I hereby claim my status as Epop of The Disorder, based on my magnificent Skill and Power by holding 23. Nobody holds 24, and I am the Closest, therefore I am Epop.

Julian, please turn over the Admin. I appoint you Lord Byron, also.

---------------

Now, what's happening here is The Reshuffle. Julian's Powerball number comes up, Fred the Obscure sees this has happened, and his guess of 23 is closest to the actual Powerball Number of 24, so Fred the Obscure in charge now.

The Hierarchy is now:

23: Epop Self Riteous 23, formerly Fred the Obscure
14:
Jack 1:
Julian 31 (bust, over 24): Malicious Midget, who's guess was Too High, and who has fallen to the bottom of the heap.


WHY?
Most magical orders are ruled by either Unverifyable Claims of Magical Power, Social Popularity, or the Sheer Happenstance of having Started them.

The Disorder is a Magical Meritocracy: by skill of prediction or manipulation of the Powerball by Magical Means, one can rise to rule. It is a pure meritocracy. A Magical King-of-the-hill which uses publically available data to test one's ability to predict or manipulate an objective, external datum.

Furthermore, The Disorder cultivates a solid relationship with Chance, and should be understood to be a more fitting way of running a Chaos Magical Network than many other systems.

Come one, come All, to The Disorder. Let they who are blessed by the Holy Red Powerball come to power, and lead us all where they Will!
 
 
Quantum
10:15 / 17.01.06
How...elaborate. Where's the magic involved? Predicting the ball? What would I do with a herd of cats, I mean Chaotes? Sounds kind of interesting, but good luck organising the Heirarchy, I don't envy the epoP.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
22:24 / 17.01.06
In practice, it's fairly simple; make your bets, and when your number comes up, you're the new Epop - it's simply a way of predictably randomizing the leadership, while still allowing people to regulate and position themselves. High numbers run the risk of being Epop or being Busted, low numbers are consistently in the middle of the hierarchy (except when they get lucky) and The Rabble can do as they please.

All of that stuff is normally carried out by social bullshit, interaction, argument, power struggles. The formalism creates a release valve for the bullshit and should allow some actual work to get done.
 
 
charrellz
22:26 / 17.01.06
The formalism creates a release valve for the bullshit and should allow some actual work to get done.

I think I may have missed something: exactly what sort of 'work' will you be up to? Why should I join other than the wacky and wild membership system?
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
04:17 / 18.01.06
Well, why not? A member of the Rabble simply subs to the mailing list, and if people are boring, ditch.

But if something interesting comes out of it, stick around.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
07:39 / 18.01.06
Yes, but the "work" man, the "work". What is it?
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
20:26 / 18.01.06
What was the Work of the Z-Cluster?

Started as a social network, the flourished greatly for a few years, and then it rather dropped off my radar although I still meet cool Zs from time to time.

A Chaos Magic network isn't something that has goals like many other magical orders: it's not trying always to institute the Law of Themema as the Law of the Land, nor leading people up the Grades as the various Golden Dawn groups often do in the name of Light or whatever.

My goal was to try and get some cool people together in an interesting social environment, and I constructed a machine (the structure of The Disorder) to reveal certain insights I had into the nature of Power.

What else will come out of it depends entirely on who joins, and what their goals are!
 
 
Digital Hermes
05:39 / 19.01.06
Okay, and I'm sorry in advance for being harsh here, but then why play the game to maybe or maybe not become Epop? (Is it a proper noun?) You are the leader of a group of people who you are not supposed to give any directives to. So why have an Epop? Why be on a magick mailing list at all? It would seem that if it's just to meet some cool chaotes, you could probably do away with an attempt to replace hierarchy entirely!

Sorry for the ranting, but coming from a theatre community, I've come across so many people who abhor theatre terminology, and attempt to form collectives where they will do concept-based single person shows, which for some reason always involve wearing a hockey helmet at some point. (That may have more to do with the fact that I'm in Canada, though.) The issue? These people, hunting after the next big 'new,' don't realize that people have been wearing hockey helmets, or an analogue, for 40 years or more. It's not 'new,' it's just tepid repetition of rebelliousness.

Likewise, saying that 'we're not really here to do anything, unless someone suggests something at some point, and someone else thinks it might be cool to do to.' means that's a whole lot of if's and something's for me to invest my time with. Magick seems (to me) to be generally taking an action, and yes, responding to how the universe/Supercontext/whatever affects you, but even still, that response is proactive and decisive.

I think I'll rein in my rant here, save what's left for the rebuttal process. Sorry if I have offended any Chaotes or potention Epops, but Oy.
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
13:31 / 19.01.06
How often have you seen a magical group become a forum for bullshit power games so that nothing actually gets done other than a lot of wanking around and "grade inflation"?

*Particularly* in Chaos circles there's a really strong tendency for the "shadow" of the egalitarian, results-based approach to come to the fore in the form of petty powergaming over legitimacy, coolness, gothness or various other status indicators.

I was *hoping* that by giving that stuff a place to lightning-rod - by structuring a group so that anybody who wants to lead has a genuine, objective shot and, this being chaos magic, a mandate from a well-understood Random system - it might be possible to get down to some serious discussion and community building.

Or perhaps not: it is just an experiment.

And one can always stay in The Rabble if you don't want to play powergames.
 
 
Digital Hermes
15:59 / 19.01.06
the "shadow" of the egalitarian, results-based approach to come to the fore in the form of petty powergaming over legitimacy, coolness, gothness[...]

You know, I agree with you about everything in this bit except for 'results-based approach.' I do see, quite often amoung occultists, the flip-side, the I'm-more-spiritual/magickal-then-thou tendancy, and it bugs me too.

I just don't think having a plan is the seed of this preteniousness. That is a monkey on the back of the individual, and I think it'll follow anyone to any group they work in, no matter it's structure. There's been no organization or government structure that people couldn't screw up.

I think what a lot of people are reacting to here is how complex, ordered, and elaborate, (as Quantum put it) this whole Epop process is. Is it possible to have something just as random, and less elaborate? Maybe some sort of on-line tarot shuffle, whoever gets Magus is Epop? I'm just brainstorming.

And I keep coming back to it, if you aren't results-based, what are you? As much as you may try to avoid any sort of linguistic nailing down of intent, can you at least allude to a typical sort of working or ritual you would attempt?
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
13:08 / 20.01.06
Well, look, my other car is a Tantric Hindu lineage with unimpeachable credentials:

http://american.nathsociety.org

So, it's not like there's no bedrock here. There's a lot of bedrock.

http://nathsociety.org/links.html

too - that's my book.

While you *could* do a simpler randomization, the problem is finding something which isn't corruptible from within. People roll dice and lie, or whatever - try designing something in practice which isn't vulnerable to those kinds of cheating.

I think The Disorder would be extremely hard to game in that way. Extremely hard.

That means it can contain real conflict. We may not have any yet, but better to have something which can contain a real struggle and not break down into bullshit manipulation, rather than to have something which invites power struggles but, when one starts, is easily taken by cheating. You can't cheat The Disorder easily. It's possible you can't cheat it without fraud at Google!

And, fundamentally, the process isn't that complicated.

0> People Claim various Numbers.

1> The Former Epop's number comes up on one of the six balls.

2> The New Epop claims the title, based on holding the closest Powerball Claim Equal to or Lower than the Red Powerball Number.

3> People who Claimed numbers larger than the Powerball are Busts, and at the bottom of the Hierarchy.

3> People who Claimed numbers smaller than the Powerball are in the Hierarchy, largest Numbers first.

4> People who Claimed no number are The Rabble.

It's not that complicated, really. It's just the procedural stuff to make it secure which makes it complex.
 
 
illmatic
13:57 / 20.01.06
unimpeachable credentials

???
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
17:14 / 20.01.06
http://hamsa-yoga.org/


is where I got the whole Adi Nath Sampradaya initiation from.

Confirmed, in person, eyeball to eyeball. "Yes, you are an Adi Nath, as I am."

(i.e. same lineage, he wasn't saying we were at the same rank or anything like that. He's a big dog!)
 
 
Digital Hermes
17:16 / 20.01.06
That caught my eye, too, Illmatic.

And let's be straight, I'm not asking for credentials, because even if you were Crowley, or Spare, or Alan Moore, follower of Glycon, or any other luminary you care to name, what I'm still seeing is either a complex, or at the very least elaborately described, (though perhaps simple) election process for the leader of a group that may or may not do anything, because a goal is so, authoritarian.

It would be the equivalent of a 'writer' who just types 100 pages of randmoness, and calls it a novel. Worse, a post-modern novel. Because, you know, authorial intention or purpose is so, authoritarian. Sure, it may be an interesting literary experiment, but why force anyone else to read it?

What I'm asking is if there is at least one idea beyond randomness that you support or work towards? Magic, and maybe I'm alone here, is about intent. Without intent, you're just riding the coincidence wavefront and calling yourself a chaote.

You mentioned that goals or intentions would be brought up by anyone wanting to air them. I'd like to know yours. Do I need to be on the list, playing 'Powerball,' to know?
 
 
Epop Bastart the Justified, I
21:49 / 23.01.06
Ok, the purpose of The Disorder is to teach magicians about power by creating a magical environment which makes Power a clearly, sharply visible thing *unrelated* to it's usual social and political context.

By putting *Power* in the spot light - and by having it fall into the hands of people who are usually at the bottom or the middle of power structures via the Powerball mechanism - you create a place where power can be *seen* differently.

Things are happening on the list: check the archive, see how it's shaping up.
 
 
grant
11:35 / 24.01.06
It would be the equivalent of a 'writer' who just types 100 pages of randmoness, and calls it a novel. Worse, a post-modern novel.


There were a few methods of making cutups. In Jennie Skerl's book, William Burroughs, Burroughs explained, "pages are cut up and rearranged to form new combinations of word and image." For example, a page would first be cut into quarters. Then the top right would be paired with the bottom left, and the top left with the bottom right. Then the composite text is read or typed to form the new text....

Burroughs wrote his Cutup Trilogy in the 1960s: The Soft Machine (1961), Nova Express (1964), and The Ticket That Exploded (1967). In these books, Burroughs added elements from pop culture, science, technology, classic literature, and science fiction to his already vast amounts of surreal ideas and imagery. He created a mythology based on word as a virus, and a world where "control addicts" in the "Rewrite Offices" make the "reality film".
 
  
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