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Munich (SPOILERS)

 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
23:55 / 08.01.06
Saw this yesterday, just had a spirited dinnertime conversation about it with my parents.

Overall I was impressed, and enjoyed it, though by many yardsticks it's a horribly bleak and depressing film. The tension in the movie is palpable at times, especially in the buildup to each assassination, and damned if I wasn't feeling paranoid right there with Avner as he began to fear for his and his family's safety. There were a few instances where the illusion broke (the mixup with the safehouse was never explained or addressed, for instance) but nothing ruinous, and in the larger context of the film, all pretty minor.

As many reviews have pointed out, Spielberg basically doesn't take sides, though he has been criticized for focusing too much on counterterrorism, and for likening Avner's team to terrorists. I'm not sure this is a weakness; in many ways the film seems amoral, not passing judgement but rather depicting events.

Most especially, Spielberg doesn't seem to condemn- demonize or dehumanize might be a better word- any of the actual people involved, even the original Munich hostage takers. Their actions are terrible, and I think it's clear that the film condemns those actions; but I got the distinct sense that the Black September agents in the flashbacks were basically a group of frightened, desperate boys and young men. This idea- condemn the actions, not the people- is reinforced most obviously by the scenes in the safehouse which Avner and his team have been tricked into occupying with a group of PLO agents- Avner's conversation with the Palestinian in the staircase especially, but also in the more general sense of camaraderie the two groups share, such as the dude from Layer Cake bonding with a PLO agent over jazz music. They are both groups of men who are in strange places, surrounded by enemies, constantly in danger, and doing things which any sane world should never force them to do.

I think that's a lot of Spielberg's point: the actions of the kidnappers, and of Avner and his team, are made even worse not only because they are locked into an endless cycle, but because the men carrying them out would otherwise be so ordinary. Which is not a particularly original point (see every Vietnam War movie ever made not starring Chuck Norris or Sylvester Stallone), but reframing it in this context is, I think, valuable.

It's worth noting here that the movie is based on a highly dubious version of events; its tag is 'inspired by true events,' Hollywood-speak for 'we made a lot of stuff up.' I'm interested in how exactly the version of events linked above was discredited, since it seems like Israel might still have a vested interest in pretending things didn't happen the way they are portrayed in the film. Israeli officials have criticized the film, especially the agents' feelings of remorse, but Spielberg vouches for the legitimacy of his source.

Also worth noting that all the performances are excellent, Eric Bana's especially (though the slo-mo shot of him with sweat flying off his face was a little 'ummmm...'). I was mildly bothered by Geoffrey Rush's character because he looks and sounds like James Woods, and I couldn't place the actor.

That's enough for now. Anybody else seen it? Thoughts?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
00:44 / 09.01.06
I'll have to post more when I've had some time to digest your thoughts, but I saw it a couple weeks ago, and posted this in the General Film thread:

I saw Munich tonight and was extremely impressed with it. This was a very serious "auteur" style film for Spielberg. The entire movie felt like one of those quietly intense films from the 70s by Lumet or Coppola (talking about films like Dog Day Afternoon, Godfather, Serpico, French Connection, The Conversation). He really went to the hilt on this one. Spectacular writing and acting all around. A very different film for the holiday season, for sure. Incredible directing that leads up to the monumental last shot. The message of the film, if any, was quite interesting, but somewhat ambiguous, and may deserve it's own thread if others think so.
 
 
Krug
13:21 / 09.01.06
I saw it last night myself. I'm not a fan of Spielberg and after hearing how it takes many liberties with facts like any Hollywood film wasn't going to see it but changed my mind when my brother wanted to go.

And I treat it like any other fictional film but its more important that it has pro-sanity propoganda. I couldn't put my finger on it but Keith describes the 70s Lumet/Coppola feeling perfectly. I'm very pleased Spielberg didn't turn it into an excessively sappy work (though some would say the phone call to the daughter was). I know nothing about Spielberg's politics but you can tell he is no friend of Isreal. It was refreshing to see someone highlighting the absurdity of nationalism and the dangers it leads to in a big budget film. No wonder the neocon talk radio in america hated it and ranted about how it unfairly represents "those palestinian monsters as human beings and the jewish heroes as monsters" (The only blood I care about is jewish blood).

Eric Bana was surprisingly good but I think with the strength of the material and class/style of filmmaking it was always going to be difficult to be fuck up in the acting department.

I came away feeling and thinking things which hasn't happened with me while watching a Hollywood film in the longest time.
 
 
coweatman
16:31 / 09.01.06
who were the french people supposed to be? organized crime? some sort of radical group?
 
 
doyoufeelloved
18:27 / 09.01.06
Just saw this last night -- I actually didn't particularly like it all that much. For one thing, that climactic sequence (the one with the awful Hype Williams-video shot of the sweat flying off Bana) was just wretched, the kind of mistake you don't expect someone as experienced as Spielberg to make. The more "thrillery" aspects were also problematic, most especially the way the team all get killed in one quick succession of scenes, with absolutely no time spent on how, perhaps, they might be expected to function even through losses to their unit -- losing everyone "at once" was extremely... convenient from a storytelling perspective, in a jarring kind of way.

I also felt like some of the moral-dubiousness elements were kind of tacked-on -- especially the way the only vaguely critical pronouncements about the entire counterterrorism initiative only crept in after the two-hour mark. It kind of made me feel like Spielberg was trying to have it both ways, in a "This is noble, but to be a serious film it needs to seem terrible" kind of way. Maybe I'm misaligned, I don't know. I did love the last scene (Bana & Rush) a whole bunch, as it seemed to go straight for the jugular about the entire Israeli enterprise in a way that the rest of the movie never did. I do also wish there'd been a bit more visual style to it, though if Spielberg's idea of an impressionistic touch is the aforementioned intercut sequence than I'm actually very happy the directing was as sedate as it was.

I'm not sure how much of what I just said hangs together, but my point is, this didn't hit me as hard as I would've liked it to.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:08 / 09.01.06
who were the french people supposed to be? organized crime? some sort of radical group?

I believe the old man was in the French Resistance, which lead to his being in a sort underground for information throughout Europe. Beyond that I'm not sure.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:14 / 09.01.06
the one thing that I found saddest about my viewing of the movie was that the audience was fairly young and unattentive from what I can tell. I'm dead sure that 75% of the audience missed the import of the final shot.

i agree with doyoufeeloved about the sweat flying scene. that was slightly odd. i wouldn't characterize it as hype williams per se, but it was certainly out of step from the rest of the (to me) beautiful direction.

regarding the politics of this film...the message that i got from the movie was ultimately that violence begats violence and that NO ONE is noble, that there is no side that is correct in the ongoing conflict.
 
 
Krug
16:58 / 10.01.06
I think it did a reasonably fine job of illustrating that counter-terrorism and terrorism are the same thing. I think it needed to be said by a major hollywood film so that it could begin to sink into the public. Well I hope that works it nothing else has.

Yes the sweaty sex scene was a bit silly but it did nothing to hurt the film for me. I wonder why any young unattentive audience would be there in the first place. Don't be so negative about that Keith. If they were three for three hours then I'm sure it made sense to some of them or will at some point. Or maybe I'm being too optimistic.
 
 
matthew.
17:36 / 02.03.06
[bumpity bump]

I saw this a month ago (maybe) and I loved it. I'm not very familiar with the background information; I didn't go into the theatre blind. The catalyst event (the Olympics) seemed so... removed from the film. Spielberg uses flashbacks to remind us every once in awhile what Eric Bana is up to, his motives, his quest, but otherwise I felt distanced from the Olympics. It didn't seem to matter.

It seems to me that this film is about how violence affects the individual, eg. Bana sleeps in the closet, Bana attacks the Israel embassy. It's a character-piece about violence's effect on Bana's psyche.

I thought that, therefore, the Olympics are not important to the plot... It is an excuse to show the aforementioned thesis of violence's consequences.

And now in a more adolescent vein: I really enjoyed the violence. As a thriller, it was thrilling. I loved the violence, which appeared to be more realistic that John Woo's operatic swagger. The explosions seemed so real and so unpredicatble, eg. the hotel explosion in which Bana is in the other room. I knew the boom was coming, but I was still [bad pun alert] blown away by its ferocity.

I admit I enjoyed this far more that any of the other Best Pic nominations (but I haven't seen Capote yet...) And I think the reason why I enjoy it so much was the violence; I am still an adolescent at heart who enjoys a good gory headshot. I only mention the Best Pic noms because inevitably people compare the differnt Best Pics qualitatively, as in, "Oh, Brokeback won Best Pic, so therefore Munich is a lesser film". I disagree with this approach, but it's too bad it exists.
 
 
ibis the being
21:06 / 02.03.06
I saw this one at least a month ago, and I think the inherent value/intrigue of the subject matter did a lot to carry what was, as a film, basically a mediocre oeuvre. In typical Spielberg style, he once again didn't know when to stop... he seems incapable of giving the audience enough credit to do any intellectual work at the conclusion of his films. The movie should have ended when the operation concluded (just as AI should have ended at the Blue Fairy). And cringe-inducing really doesn't begin to describe the Munich violence / sexual orgasm juxtaposition scene.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:22 / 03.07.07
OK, two questions.

Was the bomb-maker/defuser killed by one of his own bombs as he was defusing them?
What happened to Daniel Craig's character after the final assassination attempt? He seemed to just disappear.
 
 
Mistoffelees
17:45 / 03.07.07
It´s been a while since I saw this movie, but the bomb maker got killed by an exploding bomb in his own workshop. And after the last time they try to kill their target person, Steve (Daniel Craig) has no more scenes, so probably there was nothing interesting happening with/to him anymore to merit further Steve scenes.

Here´s a link to the wiki plot summary.
 
  
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