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20:07 / 04.02.02

Ok, this is pretty crazy.

saturday morning I went beach front hotel hopping, trying to get prices and room information... Trying to be all romantic for the 14th.

Then later that night I was online speaking to a friend who I almost hooked up with but she already has a boyfriend (named Kyle) who's never around but who she's hung up on so we never hooked up. She told me that she loved me (may have something to do with a spell though ::looks around avoiding eye contact::

Ok, so the next morning my girlfriend tell me that she had the craziest dream. In it I was away (living in another city) and that she met a pretty charming guy named Kyle. He got her a beach front room and they had a rather romantic night/morning.

I was like, um, wow, um that's, you know...crazy...yeah.

Thoughts?

20:17 / 04.02.02

your connection to your girlfriend is strong. She is picking up fairly clearly on your subconscious. I have had bonds like this go sour, be careful.
This is also another sign of sigil/magick use and the karma effect. Be careful of what you wish lesson.

02:43 / 05.02.02

Yeah, trust me, I put the sigil whammy on this other girl like a year ago... and I did learn my lesson. Apparently it still hasn't fizzled out though. (I can almost see May Tricks shaking her head.)

I don't want to pry but can you explain more about this connection thing going sour?

[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: impulsivelad ]

07:13 / 05.02.02

When we start to practice our path, we raise our vibrations, which in turn effect others vibrations and tune into people and stuff. This is a wonderful bonding experience, which is mutually beneficial, but.

We also have to learn and develop a less 'spawny' attitude towards life and the world around us. Casting magick for personal gain can become a burden that holds one back from developing a breater awareness and interaction with the cosmos. Practice brings with it responsibility and lessons.

I have found that this 'souring' for me was an ability to:
a. attract harmful female energy and try to heal it, before I was healed.
b. Hold onto and almost impale myself on the emotional turmoil at the end of a close relationship, with the bond twisting it painfully.
c. hurt others by breaking the understanding of teh relationship and in reverse to point b. the damage goes deep into the psyche and spritual and emotional bodies.

I have learnt to be honest with myself in regards relationships, truly honest with my intent. Then be truly honest with the other person. It can save alot of trouble. (such a psychic impressions of your ex, being sexually involved with their new partner. Not nice) Be aware of the bond/chord extension, that binds you with everything else and the communication of subtle, and sometimes not so subtle, energies. They can inform you of the most incredibly useful information, on which to act.

If you want more info or specifics, I think its best you private message me.

11:04 / 05.02.02

Casting magick for personal gain can become a burden that holds one back from developing a greater awareness and interaction with the cosmos. Practice brings with it responsibility and lessons.

I have found that this 'souring' for me was an ability to...attract harmful female energy and try to heal it, before I was healed. – Will "it work"

It seems that the situation here is not so much "magick for personal gain" as it is that impulsivelad cast a spell for this chick to "fall in love" (his words) with him, ie Magick used to manipulate another human being. Which is shite, and will always come back and bite one in the ass – HARD.

Is this the "souring" you refer to, Will? If so, then the "harmful female energy" would really be one's own manipulative energy coming home to roost. You work mojo for the pussy, the pussy's gonna get you back – one way or another.

13:44 / 05.02.02

Impulsivelad, I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for.

Are you feeling that the magic is still 'effecting' your friendship and that you want to undo it?

Are you not really sure what you're feeling and therefore not sure what you want?

If you do feel that you have done 'bad mojo' and want to 'fix' things you can do various things to stop the effects.

14:06 / 05.02.02

Well, I am currently in a great relationship and I am really happy. But in the past (before the relationship I'm in now) I got this girl to fall in love with me not knowing she had a boyfriend who she loved. So me being the nice guy (cough cough) I am I backed off not wanting to ruin their relationship. But the girl is now torn. She's in love with both of us. So Lothar, if you can help with this then thanks.

Now like Irene says pussy magick is punching me back in that in my girlfriend's dreams (who doesn't know about any of this) our roles are reversing. I'm the other guy who's getting his girlfriend magickally taken away and my girlfriend is the one that's torn. And she's picking up specific stuff like names and places.

14:35 / 05.02.02

quote: Is this the "souring" you refer to, Will? If so, then the "harmful female energy" would really be one's own manipulative energy coming home to roost. You work mojo for the pussy, the pussy's gonna get you back – one way or another.

Not quite, this was my ability to attract the wrong type of female, rather like attracting the wrong type of male. We construct relationships with negative partners under the idea that we can heal them. This, I have found, turns out to be energy needed to heal oneself.

'Pussy' magick does create bonds, but also the act of practice generates greater energy in these fields and develops sensitivity.

15:24 / 05.02.02

We construct relationships with negative partners under the idea that we can heal them. This, I have found, turns out to be energy needed to heal oneself. – Will 'it work'

Gotcha – I know exactly what you mean.

impulsivelad: it seems more like your girlfriend is getting information on your past spellcasting through her dreams, than any reversing of roles between you and her. Because she isn't aware in waking life of what you did previously, she can't figure out what the dream is telling her – but you can.

Glad you started this thread, it's a good example of the payback involved when manipulating others through Magick. Most people starting out either don't consider the consequences, or are too obsessed with the target person to care about the consequences.

15:33 / 05.02.02

Tru that.

17:00 / 05.02.02

I'm under the impression that there are two girls involved here right?

Just to make sure I understand the players in your situation:

A year or so ago you cast a spell on Girl #1 who is in a relationship with Kyle. End result was that Girl #1 was/is torn between you and Kyle. You backed off as not to ruin their relationship.

You are now in a good relationship with Girl #2 (who I assume doesn't know the real life Kyle) who has now had a dream about someone named 'Kyle' and you are wondering how/if your past magic is coming home to roost.

Is this correct?

17:59 / 05.02.02

You got it, Mezcal Man.

18:14 / 05.02.02

I feel you have developed a subconscious bonding with your current girlfriend, and through this is bleeding the knowledge/effect of the magick on the 'other' girl.

I suggest that you banish/negate the initial spell, pronto, before it all goes tits up.

18:23 / 05.02.02

Yep - sort it out, man. Nothing wrong with magic for personal gain (I fully approve of it), but only when that gain does not involve manipulating anyone else.

I would get really unhappy with anyone trying to manipulate me, so I don't do it to others.

Don't panic too much though - banish, reverse or whatever, the original spell and free this girl with your blessings for her future, whatever this may be, and things should work out. As long as your intentions are really for setting her free, it should be okay (maybe a bit of karmic payoff required, maybe not)

19:19 / 05.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Indigo:

Don't panic too much though - banish, reverse or whatever, the original spell and free this girl with your blessings for her future, whatever this may be, and things should work out. As long as your intentions are really for setting her free, it should be okay (maybe a bit of karmic payoff required, maybe not)

Damn good advice. Basically, undo what you did. If your ritual created 'cords' then cut them or untie them. If it involved you holding a piece of Girl #1 then give that piece back.

And don't beat yourself up over it too much. Intense guilt won't necessarily help here and could cause you more unwanted grief. A bit of humility with a good dollop of compassion will make the medicine go down smooth. Guilt never tastes good.

02:23 / 06.02.02

quote: You are now in a good relationship with Girl #2 (who I assume doesn't know the real life Kyle) who has now had a dream about someone named 'Kyle'

This is true but the dream was more specific than that. She also doesn't know Girl#1 and pretty much took on her life in the dream... exactly actually.

How do I banish or cut the cords and all that? Anti-sigil? I'm really weary about launching more magick her way? Or is it as simple as not talking to her cold turkey (which would suck cause she's a pretty cool friend)?

06:45 / 06.02.02

One technique is to in meditation visualise her seated opposite you. Then see and feel a golden chord between the pair of, connecting at the heart chakra/breast bone. Try to get a good impression of this situation. Then imagine a large pair of scissors or knife or whatever you find easiest, in the visualisation cut the chord at a mid point and draw the ends back to one another. See them withdraw back in both you and her, sending good thoughts all the time. The chord should come back in and make a gold disk on your chest (a good visualisation object). Make sure that her chord has retreated to, again reasure her with comforting thoughts, this will help.

This may not work straight away, but I'd advise doing it several times over a week or so. I will also compliment any sigil magick that you may apply.

Best of luck fella

11:15 / 06.02.02

quote:Originally posted by impulsivelad:
Yeah, trust me, I put the sigil whammy on this other girl like a year ago... and I did learn my lesson. Apparently it still hasn't fizzled out though. (I can almost see May Tricks shaking her head.)

*May Tricks, albeit a little off cue...shakes her head*

Since you are already magickally involved, I have a simple but excellent spell to let go of old relationships and to strengthen the one you are in. If you need it or just want to check it out, PM me.

Oh, you naughty boy, isn't the universe fun?!

~May Tricks

[ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: May Tricks ]

13:43 / 06.02.02

quote:Originally posted by impulsivelad:

How do I banish or cut the cords and all that? Anti-sigil? I'm really weary about launching more magick her way? Or is it as simple as not talking to her cold turkey (which would suck cause she's a pretty cool friend)?

I second Will's suggestion and May's ritual might also be exactly what you're looking for.

Ultimately, it depends on what your initial magick was designed to do. How you worded and implemented your intent. If you 'corded' her then cutting the cords through an altered stated visualization would be appropriate. If you worded things in such a way that you 'stole her heart' then you need to give that part of her back. Which can be done in a number of ways in which 'confessing' doesn't necessarily have to be a part of (unless you think it's necessary). If this seems like something that is appropriate to your situation, email or PM me and I can share some examples and ideas.

Divination, meditation, and using your 'subtle senses' to really feel what the results were might be necessary for you to come up with the appropriate 'antidote'.

Sigilizing probably isn't what is called for though.

Also, something cool that is popping out of this thread is the concept of community. In certain cultures when healing like this needs to happen, sometimes it is appropriate to involve your friends and family to bear witness and to participate in the ritual. It helps lend support to what might be a tough thing to do on your own.

If you're willing, I'm sure most of us would be willing to add our prayers, good thoughts, and energies to your ritual when the time is right.

If you'd rather do it on your own then we can just cheer you on from the sidelines too.

Either way, I think it's cool that you've posted this thread. It's not an easy thing to do, and even though I realize that you are acting a bit out of fear of continued repercussions, taking responsibility for this kind of thing takes a hell of a lot of courage and self awareness.

13:58 / 06.02.02

quote: Also, something cool that is popping out of this thread is the concept of community.

That's good cause I do see you guys as friends and Barbelith more like a cool hangout than a web site. So, send anything you've got my way peeps.

edited to add quote

[ 06-02-2002: Message edited by: impulsivelad ]

15:44 / 06.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
Either way, I think it's cool that you've posted this thread. It's not an easy thing to do, and even though I realize that you are acting a bit out of fear of continued repercussions, taking responsibility for this kind of thing takes a hell of a lot of courage and self awareness.

Good point Lothar. I second that!

~May Tricks

17:38 / 06.02.02

***(lowers head in shame...)***

18:34 / 06.02.02

impulsivelad: won't you be moving soon? I seem to recall you asking about different cities in another forum...
Change of location can definitely help in cutting links (psychic or otherwise) with people.

03:25 / 07.02.02

Both Girl#1 (friend) and Girl#2 (girlfriend)are moving.
My girlfriend's the one that's moving to New York(?) to go to college this fall. She wants me to come along and I want to be with her... but you guys freaked me out and I don't want to be homeless if I go. So right now that's up in the air. If I stay here... both those links are cut.

03:25 / 07.02.02

quote:Originally posted by impulsivelad:
My girlfriend's the one that's moving to New York(?) to go to college this fall. She wants me to come along and I want to be with her... but you guys freaked me out and I don't want to be homeless if I go. So right now that's up in the air. If I stay here... both those links are cut.

Now, Impulsivehead, I doubt we're the ones that have freaked you out - you have freaked yourself out. All the advice that's been given here is really good.

You set in motion a force when you did some mojo on girl #1. That force is still in operation until you cancel it out. It's pretty simple. You can terminate the spell/whatever whenever you want, so you're not powerless. You've been given some good advice, and I'm sure more will be forthcoming if you want it.

I'm not sure why this conversation has freaked you about your current relationship. I got the impression you were happy with it, and wanted it to continue. If there are any residual doubts in your mind, then that's what's coming up now. I guess you'll just have to sit down and see what it is you want out of a relationship and if this will happen with your current girlfriend.

Change is scary, but it can be turned into very positive results. This could be the perfect testing ground to see if your relationship has what it takes. If you love your current girlfriend then give it a go. If you don't risk anything you'll never win anything.

11:22 / 07.02.02

Wyrd: impulsivelad is referring to another thread (I think it was in Conversation, so it may have been wiped) where he asked which city would be better to move to, New York City or Birmingham UK. The general consensus was that Birmingham was cheaper and NYC would very difficult to live in if one doesn't have a steady income (or rich family members).

13:59 / 07.02.02

Yeah the whole dream thing hasn't put me off. I think it's cool that my girlfriend picked up on things like that and I hope that continues (I'll let you guys know too).

And I did get a lot of good advice over at the conversation. In where everyone was saying Burn is cheaper but if I were you I'd go to NY. Then they were like oh, but the rent is $1000 a month. I still haven't given up on this but now I just have a lot more to think about. (Like, if I start working out now could I make it as a prostitute?)

09:47 / 10.02.02

By the way, I've enjoyed reading this thread - just wanted to point out that one can live for slightly cheaper if you live in one of the outer boroughs of NYC (i.e. Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, etc.) -- or even up in Harlem or Avenues C or D in the East Village.

As someone who lives in NYC and is an actor and not famous and rich (yet), I can attest to this. It's a terrific city, NY. I've really fallen in love with it.

14:15 / 10.02.02

Where've you been, HunterWolf?