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Eris and Discordianism

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14:59 / 06.01.06

I think you have to question your motivations for getting that tattoo put on your arm. Do you want it as a fashion accessory that will bolster your sense of yourself as a "magician" and give you something cool to show off to people? Or do you want a magical talisman that has real power and potency? If it's the latter, then you have to earn it. From where I'm sitting, you're missing out all of the work and trying to eat the cherry pie before its been baked.

Why not actually work with Eris and Chaos in their many manifestations for a period of three to six years and really explore every facet of those mysteries - so that when you come to take the tattoo, it is a physical representation of everything you have been through, your journey, the path you've followed, a totem of your relationship with Eris, a talisman of the magic you have lived and worked.

Otherwise isn't it a bit like getting a tattoo of a girls name on your arm after the first date?

Also, are you sure you really want to be branded for the rest of your life with the Disinformation logo?

16:06 / 06.01.06

I'm not putting it into my arm, i'm putting it my ankle, where I intend to sow to few people, and explain it to even fewer. I'm doing this to myself.

And, for somebody's sake, forget about the damn tattoo, people. As I said, it is not for Eris, who I just met, It is for raw chaos, which I have "worshipped" for many years already. And it's supposed to be just a simple tatto, not a sygil, you know. I started this thread to get info on Discordianism, I only mentioned my idea for the ink to make small talk, but the whole discussion seem to be orbitating around it.

This whole thing is starting to give me the urge to quote The Beatle's "I am the Walrus, coo-coo-ca-choo", which is not good (certainly not original at all)

16:35 / 06.01.06

Do you want it as a fashion accessory that will bolster your sense of yourself as a "magician" and give you something cool to show off to people?

Actually, to be honest, yeah, kinda. Except it's not to show off to people. I don't want other people to think I'm cool, I want to feel cool. Maybe not the most "magician" way to go, but hey, I'm far from calling myself a "sorceror" or anything like that. It's just me, trying to feel more like me.

17:17 / 06.01.06

I started this thread to get info on Discordianism

There's plenty of info out there; all of it useless. Read the Prinicpia Discord and then take the plunge on your own. Eris doesn't like it when you hold somebody else's hand while swimming, but she will allow you to tip-toe in the shallow end before diving in. Just be sure to make plenty of waves.

In the next few days I shall make a tattoo of the word "chaos" in greek letters. This ought to attract her attention.
and
forget about the damn tattoo, people. As I said, it is not for Eris
seem a wee bit contradictory, and I think the first statement is what has gotten you so much flak.

Why do these Eris threads always have to have such strife and discord? Oh, wait...

17:26 / 06.01.06

There's plenty of info out there; all of it useless. Read the Prinicpia Discord and then take the plunge on your own. Eris doens't like it when you hold somebody else's hand while swimming, but she will allow you to tip-toe in the shallow end before diving in. Just be sure to make plenty of waves.

Excellent point

And yeah, I kinda contradted myself a bit, but that's normal. As a wise adverstising once said: "If you're not confused, you're misinformed"

19:14 / 06.01.06

Mordant, the wag comment was aimed more at people who quickly discount things like 23, Discord, Eris, Chaos, and the Eye in Pyramid just 'cause they feel these concepts/symbols are played out fads. I feel that there's still a lot of depth to be found in them if one digs deeply enough.

Megatron, only you will know what's right for you. Keep in mind that what''s right now may be wrong later. We all grow and evolve and change. For me, I would avoid branding myself with Kaos simply because as much as I honor and adore the mighty Force, I've learnt the hard way what a blind bitter evil bitch it can be.

As an aside, does anyone know the greek God of chaos that's higher up the ladder than Eris? Eris being female, she's more of an earthly chaos - a social chaos, in a sense. Something that interferes with the best laid plans of mice and men. Raw Chaos as a fundamental force, to me, seems like a masculine quality (though I'm showing my Kabbalistic bias here).

19:52 / 06.01.06

1. If I remember right (not always a sure thing), Eris was a daughter of or handmaiden to Ares, him what did the conflicts.

2. I have a feeling that Eris isn't quite the Chaos everyone is thinking of -- that seems more to be Naunet of the Ogdoad (Egyptian), who may be closer to the Greek Chaos, who (more of a "which," really) begat the first titans. I don't know how close Rhea would be to personifying the same qualities a generation down the line.

19:55 / 06.01.06

Well, there's Kaos, but it is not a god per se, it is the primal, undiferentiated force of creation from which the first Goddess (Earth) was spawned from. That's the chaos I'm talking about...

22:42 / 06.01.06

I just realize one thing: one week from now is fridey the 13th. Can you think of a better day to do the tattoo? and it's almost gonna be full moon. That gives me a week to meditate real carefully about it. Till then, I'll stay away from this thread and this subject. Don't get wrong. I love you people and this forum, but you're interfering with my "mojo".

In a week I'll return and tell what has came to be. Till then we'll see each other in other threads as if nothing is going on...

ONLY NICE THINGS

00:15 / 07.01.06

Chaos, or Khaos, not Kaos - it's a chi, which is represented in Latinate letters as kh or ch. Chaos in ancient Greek means something like "the primal state of the universe".

ESOZONE : Oct 10 - 12 PDX 2008

04:01 / 07.01.06

is anyone really suggesting that one should approach Discordianism and Eris with a sense of seriousness and a musty academic approach?

Now thats funny chaotic stuff,- go with it, I love it.

trouser the trouserian

05:17 / 07.01.06

As an aside, does anyone know the greek God of chaos that's higher up the ladder than Eris? Eris being female, she's more of an earthly chaos - a social chaos, in a sense.

Interesting idea. Raw Chaos, cosmic, primal male, and "lower down the ladder" - presumably less important then - a 'social chaos' which is earthly and female. Can't have women on top or in charge, eh?

08:07 / 07.01.06

Don't get wrong. I love you people and this forum, but you're interfering with my "mojo".

How are the people of this forum interfering with your mojo?

ONLY NICE THINGS

09:47 / 07.01.06

is anyone really suggesting that one should approach Discordianism and Eris with a sense of seriousness and a musty academic approach?

Not so much approaching that as attempting to help Dead Megatron, who is very careful about what he puts on his body, to avoid getting the wrong collection of Greek letters inked. But wouldn't it be CHAOTIC if he did? FNORT!

11:00 / 07.01.06

How are the people of this forum interfering with your mojo?

Greyface Antimagick of course, our insistence on a consensual reality cramps a kayotik stylee.

16:12 / 07.01.06

Trouser, I had my own reservations about using such language but they were over-ridden by my momentary laziness. I generally try not to suggest any sort of value based on hierarchy, esp wrt vibrations of existence. Ultimately, all levels are equivalent in my mind. To my mind there is a primal duality that is both male and female which I've come to know as Force and Form, resp. I wasn't trying to equate hierarchy with gender in any way but I was acknowledging the hierarchy within my understanding of Greek (and many other) mythologies such that Eris was probably regarded as a lesser diety than, say, Zeus or Athena.

More to the point, if Eris can be considered an earthly resonance of chaos (ie one that is personally experienced by the default human consciousness), then who in the Greek pantheon would be the most abstract resonance (ie the primal force underlying all change)?

ONLY NICE THINGS

17:32 / 07.01.06

Chaos, really.

Remember, "Eris" doesn't mean "chaos". "Eris" means "strife". Eris both is the deity of strife and the personification of strife. However, strife is more than just people not getting along.

"Chaos" is both the Titanic, pre-Olympian that gave birth to earth and, in a more scientific sense, the formless state at the beginning of the universe. Pre-socratic thought posited two forces acting on chaos - eros (love) and eris (strife) - that is, the forces that push things together and push them apart. A balance of the two creates a world of reasonably stable forms.

19:50 / 07.01.06

Pre-socratic thought posited two forces acting on chaos - eros (love) and eris (strife) - that is, the forces that push things together and push them apart. A balance of the two creates a world of reasonably stable forms.

Now, that was a revelation. Is there any symbol representing that force that would look cool as a tattoo, or I'll just have to go with the letters?

(I know I said I was not going to posto here for a week, but such is chaos)

ONLY NICE THINGS

21:57 / 07.01.06

I think I might need to have a little cry.

17:41 / 09.01.06

Haus, you are just afraid. Fear leads to Anger, DO YOU SEE THIS? This is an Anger Prisoner. A textbook example. DO YOU SEE THE FEAR, PEOPLE? This boy is scared to death of the truth. Haus, it breaks my heart to say this, but I believe you are a very troubled and confused young man. I believe you are searching for the answers in all the wrong places...
Embrace the love and shout out loud, "I'M NOT AFRAID ANY MORE!". Go on, you'll feel so much better.

(Kitty Farmer: Fear and love are the deepest of human emotions.
Donnie Darko: Okay. But you're not listening to me. There are other things that need to be taken into account here. Like the whole spectrum of human emotion. You can't just lump everything into these two categories and then just deny everything else! )

19:26 / 09.01.06

14:18 / 21.05.06

Responding to the question waaaay back up thread, I work almost exclusively with Eris. If ever I work with another being or current or whatever, I tend to check with her first. And I tend to find, that when I work with Eris, I don't need to be on drugs. Usually, during an invocation, it feels like I've took a tonne of weed, if its working incredibly well then it can end up like I've had a few shrooms too. But thats only when I do the big invocations,with the candles and the msic and whatever.
My relationship with Eris rests on the fact that I am wrong, all the time. She is the constant reminder that the universe is too huge to understand, and that I should take myself less seriously.
And I have never used the word "fnord" in a conversation or painted a tent any color whatsoever.

06:29 / 22.05.06

I'm no Discordian, but being a fan of Wilson's writings, fiction and non-fiction, I've known a few in real life. The ones who really seem deeply connected with Eris have little or nothing in common with and want little or nothing to do with the "Look at me I'm wearing a funny hat and going to a rave fnord!" self-proclaimed Discordians.

Like in most things, the ones seeking attention aren't the one doing the work.

15:04 / 22.05.06

Testify!

02:38 / 23.05.06

I wonder who's NOT into discord.

Those so afraid of the unknown that they hide under the veil of "God did It!"

Regrettable Juvenilia

08:52 / 23.05.06

Could you explain that a little, xytar? How are you defining "discord" there?

22:09 / 25.05.06

existential pantomime

it's beyond you

fnord

Regrettable Juvenilia

09:39 / 26.05.06

Well, you can't argue with that.

09:56 / 26.05.06

That's because it's beyond you Fly, don't you see?
The word Fnord is apparently Finnish for 'My Horrific Facial Disfigurement' so it was all a cruel joke by RAW, who knew? Those pesky discordians.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

10:00 / 26.05.06

You people are driving me to drink.

12:58 / 26.05.06

You people are dri-ha ha ha ha hurr hurr.

Oops sorry I muffed that, let me try again, wait, wait, just give me a minute, okay here we go:

You people are DRINKING ME TO DRIVE!!!!!!!!ha ha!!!!!!!!!!
haha!!!!!!!! hurrr!!!!!!!!!!!

!dronFsoaK

Less searchable M0rd4nt

13:20 / 26.05.06

In fact, sod the alcohol. I'm going to cook up.

14:12 / 26.05.06

But Mordant. No need to fear the Chaos!

Don't run away from the unknown; from the c-c-c-crazy truths of RAW! And uncertaintly principles and schroedinger's quantum faerie dancing over the illuminati!

It's teh truth and you're scared!

don't run away from the chaos and sink into easy easy drugs and God. Escape route Escape route!

Open your third eye! get Eris to clean it for you!!!11 she's cuddly and nice and SEXY!! Like a playboy god!

Old bob's waiting for you!!!11!!!! Finnigan's wake.

Take the leap1!!!

Join the dance!!!!

FNORD.

14:46 / 26.05.06

Be careful though, for Robert Anton Wilson describes himself as a "guerilla ontologist," signifying his intent to attack language and knowledge the way terrorists attack their targets; to jump out from the shadows for an unprovoked attack, then slink back and hide behind a hearty belly-laugh.

15:17 / 26.05.06

Why couldn't he have done his terrorism properly though?
An ontological suicide bombing wouldv'e made the world so much nicer a place...

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