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The London Police and the christian anti-crime comic book

 
 
Sniv
17:14 / 03.01.06
Anybody else see this on BBC London news earlier?

It seems the Met has banned/refused to publish a comic book produced and distributed by the Christian Police Association, due to the fact that other minorities were being ignored.

It's an interestingly double edged sword. On the one hand, it has a strong (and presumably heartfelt) anti-crime message, coupled with many Christian messages, with captions like (paraphrasing closely) "the power of Christ helped me stop being a criminal". It's based on true stories too, with ex-criminals writing the stories of their conversion from thug to evangelist. The art didn't look too bad either, there was one black and white piece that reminded me of early Matt Wagner, and another in the same style as people like Philip Bond.

On the other hand it does smell of propaganda, even though it probably means well. The police, being a public service, obviously don't wish to be too strongly allied to one religion, especially when they seem to be alienating pretty much every other ethnic minority going (at least, if you believe what you hear on the news).

Also, could a preachy christian comic book even do that much to stop crime? Apparently, the plan was to give the books out to kids that get arrested, so they can read them in the cells. Would this even work?

Would the books perhaps be more acceptable if they were multi-faith (and evenly balanced, so no one side can accuse the other of playing favourites), or is this just a silly idea, no matter who's involved? I mean, with the exception of the geek-core (like us, yay!) who even reads comics? Every time I mention my collection to 'normal' people, I often get asked "What, you read comics??" (and I bet you get similar reactions too). From what I can tell, your average person doesn't even know modern comics exist, especially in the UK, let alone take them seriously enough to take on board the (somewhat unsubtle, in this case) message inside.

What are your thoughts, Barbelith? Is a comic-book the place for christian anti-crime propaganda? Why not?

From the programme: "meanwhile, London's christian police officers, of which there are over a thousand, are praying for the comic's release."

Heh, good luck!
 
 
sleazenation
17:25 / 03.01.06
"Banned?" From reading the actual text of the story the use of the word banned seems both lazy and misleading... What the Met. actually appear to be doing is refusing to distribute the book...
 
 
Sniv
17:44 / 03.01.06
Agreed, but "refuse to distribute" is a bit less snappy than "banned". And if they're refusing to distribute it based on its content, rather than simply because they don't want to, isn't that a very very similar situation to banning?

Anyway, what to you think of the issues raised, rather than the language the BBC's writers used? (<- don't mean to sound arsey there, I'm just genuinely interested as to what people think of this)
 
 
sleazenation
17:51 / 03.01.06
Just posting to clarify, I don't think it is John who is being 'lazy and misleading' rather it is the mystery person who crafted the headline and the summary text for the quoted BBC article that I would level that accusation at.

As to the question of propaganda and comics, I would probaby point out that comics are are ideal for for communicating all ideas great and small effectively, they are also potentially very cheap to produce, and as such are quite well suited to propaganda, as noted comics propagandist Sue Coe points out in the documentary "Comicbook Confidential"...
 
 
sleazenation
17:59 / 03.01.06
And yes I also see this particular situation with the Met. not wanting to distribute religious propaganda as being completely seperate from any issues about comics themselves.

As I see it the difficulties arise from a clash between an institutionally secular Police force and some of its members who do not see the harm in uniting a particular religious message with their approach to combating crime...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:24 / 04.01.06
The use of the word "banned" in both the article and the title and abtract of this thread is totally misleading and irresponsible, especially when one considers that it is the police who are being discussed. The first meaning that the headline and first paragraph of the article, and the title and abstract of this thread, both suggest is that the Metropolitan Police are taking some kind of action to prevent the publication or distribution of a comic, rather than simply not distributing it themselves. This is exactly how myths about "political correctness" are created. In the case of the BBC I'm sure this was a quite deliberate piece of irresponsible sensationalism playing to the most recent round of scare stories about "PC" - I'm willing to give the author of the first post the benefit of the doubt, but I suggest the abstract and title are moderated to be less factually incorrect.
 
 
sleazenation
09:41 / 04.01.06
Agreed, but "refuse to distribute" is a bit less snappy than "banned". And if they're refusing to distribute it based on its content, rather than simply because they don't want to, isn't that a very very similar situation to banning?

No, it isn't 'very very similar situation to banning'. According to the report, the Met are preventing the distribution of this pro-christian anti-crime propaganda within their stations. I have not seen any suggestion that they are moving to prevent the distribution of this pro-christian anti-crime propaganda in total and from any location other than their own police stations, something that they would undobtedly be doing if they were actually attempting to ban the publication itself rather than prevent the Met. from being seen to endorse a particular religious belief...
 
 
sleazenation
09:43 / 04.01.06
And for the record, based on Petey's concerns and my own disquiet I've moved to amend the title and abstract of this topic so that it isn't quite so misleading...
 
 
Sniv
10:14 / 04.01.06
So have I. Sorry for being misleading.
 
 
sleazenation
10:25 / 04.01.06
Well, its not so much you being misleading john as you repeating a misleading statement... Quotation is a good thing, but I'm concerned that quoting misleading information in a title without any kind of scare quotes also further propegates that misleading information.


All of which is rotting a thread on the use propaganda in comics somewhat - I've posted about this topic in the P&H forum in the moderation thread to see what other people make of this interesting question...
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
11:39 / 04.01.06
I'd be interested to see this comic - and how close it veers to Chick tracts - whether the main point is to convert criminals to Christians or criminals to law-abiding citizens.
In terms of the politics of the situation, surely the police shouldn't allow a group like the C.P.A. to operate on-the-job, so to speak - what I mean is, that they can be C.P.A. members after hours, but that their Christianity - especially when it's of the evangelical sort - should be left at home while they're at work. Just my two cents. Perhaps this is more a switchboard thread?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:33 / 04.01.06
What seems odd is that a department, group or service within the police force appears to have decided, off it's own bat, to produce an anti-violence comic. And it doesn't appear to have consulted with any other part of the police service in doing so. I'm guessing on this last part, but I'm assuming that if it had it wouldn't have got as far as having printed actual copies of the comics and looked to distributing before someone said "Errrr, hang on."

Otherwise, I'm sceptical about the effectiveness of these things, based on what I saw on the news last night they're not Chick-tastic but rather naff. They looked as if they wouldn't persuade Cliff Richard. It might be more useful sending them out to youth clubs and schools.
 
  
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