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Wrestling 2005/2006

 
  

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penitentvandal
14:41 / 20.06.06
I have to say, though, I liked Styles' column on the website where he gave the MEP (Most Extreme Player) award to the Zombie...on the grounds that he reminded him of classic superstars like Max Moon and the Gobbledygooker.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
12:02 / 22.06.06
Yeah, well ECW's debut show was written to death by Vince. Apparently Heyman's own ideas were mostly shot down or re-written, and Paul E. and Dreamer had faces like grim death backstage.

The second show (last Tuesday, didn't watch it, unfortunately) was apparently tons better, largely because everyone knew the first one stunk and Paul E. got to mostly write it himself. That won't last, though. Stephanie McMahon is Heyman's supervisor, and she loathes him.

Rumour has it CM Punk will debut for ECW next week. Scuttlebutt (like rumour but with a skin condition) says that he could be heading for a feud with Sandman (who incidentally is in really good shape at the moment. He actually has muscle definition and everything).

On RAW, the DX reunion continues, with Tripper and Michaels clowning around and over-acting backstage a hell of a lot. Of course, since Michaels needs recovery time from his various injuries, it won't last. In fact, I'd be surprised if the new/old DX lasts longer than the teasehype we've had to put up with for the last three months on TV/PPV. In other RAW news, Randy Orton is back from suspension and on RAW, ostensibly because Tripper wants to feud with him, but really because everyone on Smackdown hates the asshole. Chris Masters is off TV due to 'substance abuse' issues (but Vince isn't? dude...). Foley appears to be regularly wrestling PPVs again, as a heel (next up! a 2/3 falls with Ric Flair at Veangeance, in which Foley has expressed a desire to embarrass Flair by creating a terrible match in Flair's hometown. All of which is hunky dory, except that everyone knows Flair doesn't need any assistance to embarrass himself or to deliver an awful performance. R.E.T.I.R.E, Naitch), and is slowly losing all that donut and cookie weight. Good hardcore match at ECW One Night Stand, too. Finally, John Cena is feuding with the entire of ECW and with Edge and Lita, so probably with Foley too, not to mention probably RVD (who has his belt). Stick a broom up his ass and he can feud with the floor, too...

Smackdown... well, Finlay's 'leprechaun' looks to be yet another in the surprising recent list of appalling booking ideas that somehow really rock in practice. The guy (now named 'The Little Bastard') rules! He's also added a weird abusive mentor/father figure aspect to Finlay's bar brawler character. For some reason it reminds me of that Jet Li film, Unleashed. Only with a midget. The resurrection of King Of The Ring as a televised tournament rather than a PPV has given us the godawful spectre of Booker T (the winner) changing his name to King Booker and coming to the ring in full cliched regal regalia, calling people peasants. Lashley continues to improve. Gunner Scott is doing a half-decent job of being Chris Benoit while Benoit's off TV. The Shite Khali continues to squash cruiserweights in non-matches every week while people increasingly fail to care about his feud with Taker, who patently isn't holding up his end, in that he's not actually turning up. Mysterio is still champion (matches since WM22:- two title defences at PPVs, seven non-title matches on TV. Outright wins since WM22:- Two. Outright losses since WM22:- six. WWE faith in their 'underdog champion':- Zero). Just holding the belt till Big Dave comes back...
 
 
penitentvandal
18:38 / 27.06.06
Apparently there's a 'fake Kane' feuding with, er, Kane...is this just Taker in a mask? It is, isn't it?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:56 / 01.07.06
No. It's Freakin' Deacon from Deep South Wrestling. I don't think the feud will last much longer, due to underwhelming fan response. There's always a possibility it's a tease to get Kane back into the mask... but then they've just made a movie starring Glen Jacobs sans mask, and even though it didn't do great box office I can't imagine they'll want to remove his face from TV again after spending millions putting it in cinemas... not to mention that Jacobs has such an expressively ugly face, perfect for a monster heel.

Having said that, it's WWE, so it's conceivable they could repackage him as a giant carrot.

ECW is moving towards officially being the third brand of WWE already, only three weeks in. Don't be surprised to see WWE logos replace ECW logos in the next few weeks,or Paul E. to be spotted flipping burgers by August. Here's hoping that Stephanie McMahon drops Levesque's sprog soon and is away for a while so that Heyman can keep his job a bit longer.

Talking about Tripper, his impression of Vincent Kennedy McMahon last Monday night was hilarious. One of the funniest things I've ever seen in pro wrestling, and that includes Hogan vs. Warrior at Halloween Havoc.

Added to Chris Masters being suspended for what is likely to prove to be steroid use (anyone who's seen Masters stunning physique sag in the last few months can see that he'd come off the gas - either he started again or he came off too late), scuttlebutt is that the real reason MNM were disbanded is that Joey Mercury was also caught abusing, which would explain why he didn't join ECW when the tag team disbanded and Nitro and Melina went to RAW. Which raises certain questions - again, about a certain almost-OAP Chairman Of The Board with the Hercules-sized body, and also about a returning Dave Batista, who has apparently not shrunk in the slightest in the last six months recuperating from surgery. If 'the Animal' is still puffed up like a big veiny man-sausage when he returns to Smackdown next week, then I call favouritism - clearly WWE's new zero tolerance drug-testing policy only applies to midcarders or developmental talent.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
05:57 / 05.07.06
And because of his arrest over the weekend, RVD had to drop BOTH titles in a two day stretch, and is suspended for 30 days.

Way to go, Rob....after years of trying, you finally get the shot at being the Main Event guy, are the lynchpin of a new show getting solid ratings, and you're not smart enough to know that you don't weed up while driving 90 MPH.

I thought FANS were supposed to be the stupid ones.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
06:58 / 05.07.06
Aw, Rob...

Still, though, RVD's gimmick has always revolved around the cron. And that suspension was delivered by Paul Heyman, right? Could they be making an angle out of this?
 
 
penitentvandal
07:30 / 05.07.06
What?

Oh, for fuck's sake.
 
 
Ben Danes
16:11 / 06.07.06
The best thing that you can say about that situation is that it should setup RVD for a feud with straight-edge CM Punk. Which could be one of the greatest feuds evar!

Or not. But surely they couldn't fuck that feud up.
 
 
diz
09:09 / 07.07.06
But surely they couldn't fuck that feud up.

Oh, if I had a nickel for every time I heard that...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:58 / 09.07.06
The suspension is not storyline (although they are doing a "storyline" to explain why they are doing it). RVD blew dirty for pot while Sabu was clean...in fact, the "drugs" he was caught with were over the counter painkillers that the cops thought were something else.

Word in the dirt sheets is that when RVD comes back, he's still going to be pushed to the moon, and as we've seen in the case of Randy Orton, you can get suspended, come back early and get a huge push.

What's not getting a lot of press is that Kurt Angle was also told to take time off, and everyone is being quiet as to why.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
22:54 / 06.02.07
Word in the dirt sheets is that when RVD comes back, he's still going to be pushed to the moon, and as we've seen in the case of Randy Orton, you can get suspended, come back early and get a huge push.

Did this happen?

And Kurt Angle is in TNA now, right? How in the world did Vince let one of his biggest stars get away? This isn't 1999, he doesn't exactly have a surplus of big names.

Is WWE still execrable? I've been toying with the idea of DVRing an episode to see what's going on, but the last time I did that I almost gouged my eyes out. Still that bad?
 
 
Bear
23:08 / 06.02.07
I'm still a little bit out of the loop but it seems WWE is still pretty bad although apparently the Cena/Umaga match at the rumble was great as was the last 10-15 mins of the rumble its self.

I was a bit shocked at Kurt leaving too but I really keep meaning to download some of the matches of Kurt v Samoa Joe because I think they'd really work well together so I think that's what I'll do now and come back to this thread I recently found lots of my old copies of burned NOAH and NJPW and I've been feeling the wrestling itch for awhile.

Plus I recently got my ROH Joe v Punk DVD back (signed by Joe/Punk and Foley Oh My!) and I really need to watch that match again, one of the best in the last few years.
 
 
Bear
23:13 / 06.02.07
Here's last nights Raw report so you can see what's happening over there -

RAW

Now I'm going to see if I can check out that Flair promo.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
23:44 / 06.02.07
Bobby Lashley b Kenny Dykstra

"Kenny Dykstra?!" No way! If that's a wrestling analogue for Lenny Dykstra I'm watching every week. Although, admittedly, basing a heel on a baseball player who no one under twenty-five has ever heard of seems really... unlikely.

Those Wrestlemania main events sound kind of like it's two years ago, and that's not really a good thing anymore, so it doesn't exactly make me want to watch. maybe I'll give it a shot next week, if only to satisfy my curiosity about this "Kenny Dykstra."
 
 
Bear
00:03 / 07.02.07
I'm over 25 and .... but baseball isn't that big in the UK.

Yeah those main events aren't exactly great the Cena/Michael might be ok but the Taker/Batista will be slow.

It doesn't take much to get my interested again though, I just ordered a show I saw live in 2005 that I haven't seen since that should be fun.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
00:23 / 07.02.07
I should really just get stuff on DVD that I know is going to be good. I watch my Benoit and Flair DVDs whenever I'm feeling the itch, and there's tons of other stuff out there. But, still... "Kenny Dykstra," christ, I can't not check that out. I'll be wondering about it forever if I don't. I'm sure I'll be disappointed, but that's nothing new when it comes to the WWE product of recent years. It seemed like it was going to be a new era of awesome after Benoit and Guerrero won the titles at WM in 2004, but that didn't exactly shake out in the favor of quality wrasslin'.
 
 
penitentvandal
08:08 / 14.02.07
Last thing I saw was the Rumble. Cena/Umaga was actually pretty good, for a Cena match, and featured a very cool finish, which I haven't seen used before (though I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's been done years ago in Japan), with Cena wrapping a fallen ring rope around Umaga to choke him out. Rumble itself was variable but had a really good finish with Taker vs Michaels, though I was annoyed that Punk and Shelton never got to eliminate anyone. Batista/Kennedy annoyed me because I really wanted Kennedy to win (as, from the chanting, did the crowd), but Kennedy came off as a strong, devious-type heel, continually working Big Dave's knee, and was able to pin Batista for ten seconds while the ref was 'out', so he wasn't made to look like a piker. Also, great commentary in this match by JBL, who, if they can only pair him up with someone other than Michael frakkin' Cole, could become the Heenan of the New Millennium in my opinion. Test vs Lashley for the Extreme Velocity Heat title was just execrable - an ECW championship match with no weapons/fire/barbed wire? If it had been good wrestling it would have been okay, but it wasn't: Lashley just can't sell for shit and Test is, well, Test. My favourite match of the show was the opening match, but then I'm a total Hardys mark, even though Matt's head appears to be turning into a basketball these days.

Cena/Michaels and Dave/Taker for WM, eh? Hmmm, unless this has an interesting undercard I can see myself not ordering this, though as a member of the clique presumably Michaels has a better chance of getting the belt off Cena than most, and he can put on a good match; but then, there's the injuries to think about - is it wise to take Trips out of the title picture, only to put the belt on another guy whose injuries ill probably see him take time off? But when the alternative is yet another win for Superman Cena...Hmmm.
 
 
penitentvandal
13:13 / 15.02.07
And, for balance, just watched TNA: Against All Odds. What. The. Fuck. I knew Russo was driving TNA into the ground but jesus, didn't know how well he was doing it.

Fortunately I had it on Sky Plus, so was able to fast-forward a lot of the crap - the baseball player match, Christy Hemme versus Fat Oily Guy (Yes! let's stick it to Vince by booking a female wrestler in a crappier match than even he can come up with! Rather than, say, just putting on a decent women's match...), the lame Eric Young skits...but even the stuff I did watch sucked.

Every single non-joke match ended with the face being screwed out of a win, except Sting/Abyss, which was actually - considering it was a stip-based match straight out of mid-90s WCW hell - was a lot better than I expected. Presumably, Sting is in a strong enough position that he can negotiate his own finishes. Just a shame that the match had to come off a lame storyline about Abyss being a murderer, although at least there wasn't necrophilia involved. Every other match?

Rhino/Styles - Rhino nearly wins, but is screwed out of victory. Incidentally, has Rhino won any matches recently? Every time I see him fight, he loses, even in what should be a big rubber match. For a 'War Machine' he pretty much sucks.

Gail Kim/Petey Williams vs. Miss Jacquelyn/Lance Storm - Kim and Williams nearly win, Kim pins Jacquelyn for about five minutes, but the ref is KOd and, oh look, the faces get screwed out of a win. Again.

Angle/Cage (with very 'special' guests Tomko and Steiner, plus special appearance from Samoa Joe, guest starring AJ Styles) - Angle pins Cage, but the ref is KO'd; then he gets Cage to submit to the ankle lock, but the ref is KO'd; and so Angle gets screwed out of the win. Again.

Memo to Russo: learn some new finishes! And, I mean, how many times did the refs get knocked out? Ref KOs are a good spot if used judiciously, but the amount of times it happened on this PPV, you'd be expected to believe the ER at Orlando hospital would have been chock-a-block with guys in black and white shirts being checked for concussion.

Also, did I imagine this, or did Bob Backlund run in at one point and frighten Kevin Nash with mime?
 
 
Jackie Susann
22:07 / 04.03.07
Can I get some advice? I haven't followed wrestling for a few years now, but I hear lots of good stuff about TNA and RoH, and was thinking about ordering a couple of DVDs to check them out. What would be a good starting point? I was thinking about getting TNA's Best of Samoa Joe and the FIP Best of CM Punk - what do you say?
 
 
penitentvandal
10:06 / 06.03.07
Yeah, those would be good places to start. Check out some of Bryan Danielson's work, too, and AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
11:44 / 06.03.07
Maybe TNA's best 100 moments dvd. Just to get a taste of how the company is set up and some of it's stars.
 
 
Evil Scientist
11:04 / 14.06.07
Who killed Vince Macmahon?

The ultimate storyline to end all storylines. Or WWE jumping the shark in order to get it with a Swan-ton Bomb off of the top rope?
 
 
Jackie Susann
08:23 / 16.06.07
Desperation, surely? With so many of the top guys injured and the Jackass angle falling apart so fast.

You know, since the last time this thread got re-upped I've become a huge ROH mark. A couple weeks ago, Bryan Danielson and Nigel McGuiness were booked on a local (Sydney, Australia) indie show and I marked out so hard I nearly cried.
 
 
Jackie Susann
00:05 / 27.06.07
I guess anyone who would care has heard about Chris Benoit? Him, his wife Nancy, and 7 year old son all died over the weekend. It seems pretty definite that Benoit killed them, then himself.

It's such an unbelievable tragedy. I mean, apart from how you feel for the victims and their surviving family and friends. You watch wrestling, mostly, and you know its a sleazy, disgusting, amoral business run by political prima donnas and steroid addled executives, but you kind of feel like there are certain guys who are level-headed, decent, hard working people and kind of above that - and Benoit seemed to be one of the best. After this, it's hard to see anyone as being outside/above the dark side of the business.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:28 / 04.10.07
Chris Nowinski has been pimping Benoit's brain autopsy results to anyone who'll listen. Nowinski is an agitator for more investigations into post-concussion syndrome, after his own pro-wrestling career was ended by a bad hit to the head. Apparently his brain was so severely damaged it "resembled the brain of an 85-year old Alzheimer's patient." This is from years of head shots with chairs and other foreign objects... not to mention that one of his finishing moves was the flying headbutt, which even if it only accidentally connected with something - shoulder, ring floor, whatever - 10% of the time is still a bloody stupid move.

Add to that that apparently he was suffering severe depression and paranoia - thinking people were following him, writing letters to his dead best friend Eddie Guerrero - and you can pretty much pain a picture of a brain-damaged man in a lot of torment. And yet people are STILL calling him 'evil'. Guess simplification help people put it to one side and forget about it...
 
 
Jackie Susann
00:48 / 10.10.07
Well, I wouldn't really ever call somebody 'evil', but I think you're simplifying a little, too. He had a long history of spousal abuse and kept taking steroids, other drugs, and hard chairshots to the head, long after it must have been clear how dangerous that all was, and how much it exacerbated his depression and mood problems. I think if you beat your wife for years, then murder her in a particularly brutal and premeditated way, and then kill your son and yourself, I certainly think that's pretty fucking despicable.
 
 
Jackie Susann
07:18 / 14.12.07
Does anyone want to talk about their favourite matches of the year? Or just general year-end wrestling wrap up stuff?

I would start, but I kind of feel like I'm talking to myself on this thread.
 
  

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