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Pagan Christmas

 
 
Quantum
14:40 / 10.12.05
I found out a load of interesting stuff about the history of the pagan traditions of Christmas recently, like the tinsel on the tree representing the webs of wyrd and the baubles representing the 9 worlds of wisdom in the world tree Yggdrasil.

Short of time right now but I'll post more anon, I'm hoping you lot have some opinions on the church co-opting the solstice feast and bird sacrifice and tree worship etc.

Anyone else celebrating midwinter without reference to Christ? Fun Christmas facts?
 
 
buttergun
12:59 / 12.12.05
Haven't given plans to such a celebration, but it sounds like a fine idea. Then again, my wife is Buddhist, so it would really be moot. However, a great book I could recommend which goes into the Church's co-opting of all things pagan, including Xmas, would be "The Jesus Mysteries," by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:28 / 12.12.05
I dunno, it seems like a bit of a retrogressive step to celebrate a "Pagan Christmas" without Christ. Essentially, the festival is about the rebirth of the light at the darkest point of the year, whether you look at it through a pagan or a Christian lens. I don't really mind personifying that light as a Christ child, because it incorporates 2000 years of history rather than pretending it never happened. It identifies the magic inherent in the Christmas festival as it is celebrated in the west. Where I grew up, it's all about feasting and drinking and partying in the grimmest winter months. Setting a light in the darkness. That ten pints of lager and whisky chaser IS the Baby Jesus. I find its more productive to look at the Christian overlay on these festivals and traditions as a part of the narrative, and take them along into your understanding of the core Mysteries. Much like how Catholic Saints are incorporated into Santeria, etc... Rather than trying to hark back to some idealised pagan golden age where the impact of Christianity on western culture never happened.
 
 
SteppersFan
12:20 / 13.12.05
Yule is one of the better-attested of the pagan festivals and I actually think that Xtianity has done a rather good job of preserving some of its pagan magic. One of the best-researched sources on the subject is Ron Hutton's Stations of the Sun: A History of the Ritual Year in Britain. Of course, as Gypsy says, you can't really go wrong with mid-winter fire / light festivals. I for one am quite tempted to go to midnight mass after getting stoked up with whisky but I suspect I'll be too busy drinking wine and eating cheese with my father in law.
 
 
Chiropteran
13:03 / 14.12.05
Christmas Eve midnight mass is the best - even during my adolescent angstbreak with Christianity, I still made the midnight service every year (admittedly, I was there as a musician-for-hire, but I rather enjoyed it, which is the point). I would recommend it to any open-minded pagan, at least once.

Growing up in the Episcopal church, it was the Christmastime services (along with the Narnia books) that gave me my first taste of - and for - that pagan flavor (as distinguished from the theology, etc).
 
 
Seth
13:22 / 14.12.05
What instrument(s) do you play, Lep? I used to love playing in the Carol Service. All those Christmas hymns are beautiful pieces of music, sublime melodies. I used to write drums parts for them that were beyond my ability, setting myself little rules to stick to for the duration of the song, knowing that by the time I'd disciplined myself through all the rehearsals I'd be able to nail it on the night. Candles and choir and mulled wine and mince pies and a woolly hat... ah, I really miss Church at Christmas. Might go again this year. Oh, and I wholeheartedly agree with Gypsy's entire post. Marvellous.
 
 
Chiropteran
13:42 / 14.12.05
Seth: Violin, playing descants with the choir, and sometimes little instrumental pieces with flute and organ. I used to close the service with "Let all Mortal Flesh..." solo, by candlelight. Shivers. I will record an arrangement of that, someday. In the last few years, all my old church-music contacts have retired or moved, so I haven't been playing Christmas Eve. On the one hand it's kind of nice to have a break, but I'm really starting to miss it. Time to make myself visible again, I guess.

(off-topic: Seth, thanks for the add on Myspace - "This Plague of Dreaming" is my netlabel.)
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
13:42 / 14.12.05
You've just conjured the disturbing image of Hunting Lodge performing in a church on Xmas eve...
 
 
Quantum
14:10 / 14.12.05
I love the whole christmas package, tinsel and drunkenness, and although I see where you're coming from GL I like to find out why we have the traditions we do- I'm not trying to un-Christ christmas especially, but I do hate it when people say it's all about Jesus. He was probably born in March, had nothing to do with Northern European midwinter festivals and prbably never saw a Christmas tree, definitely never ate Turkey and had never seen the Snowman by Raymond Briggs. Or snow.

Here's a fun Christian fact I found out about Saint Nicholas; in the olden days Prostitutes would hang red stockings in their window to tout for business, and he would go round at christmas and put gold coins in their stockings so they wouldn't have to sell themselves.
I find that touching, and a fascinating explanation of where the tradition of christmas stockings came from.

Anyone else got fun facts about christmas traditions? I'm especially interested in the Old English side of it, ancient paganism, but anything interesting about christmas will keep me happy.
 
 
_Boboss
14:32 / 14.12.05
i wished a couple of pagans in one of the shops 'happy christmas' last year - a little insensitive perhaps, but fuck dodo they give me an evil look. 'happy solstice' i think they'd prefer, but got me thinking though - how do they know they're celebrating yulemas in anything like an 'authentic' fashion?

what i really really don't like is the battered top hats with a feather in and a smug look on the face beneath look - 'my festival is so much realer than yours'. what's all that hat shit about?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
20:45 / 14.12.05
Christmas Eve midnight mass is the best - even during my adolescent angstbreak with Christianity, I still made the midnight service every year (admittedly, I was there as a musician-for-hire, but I rather enjoyed it, which is the point). I would recommend it to any open-minded pagan, at least once.

Absolutely. All of my adolescent christmases included a midnight mass at a downtown cathedral with a full orchestra and great acoustics. Good stuff. If "downtown" didn't mean "Detroit" these, I'd sneak into one again.
 
 
Katherine
04:23 / 15.12.05
To be honest I celebrate midwinter as a pagan exactly the same as I celebrated christmas as a atheist.

We don't know too much about how the early pagans celebrated midwinter as there is some evidence but not a lot as I recall. And anyways I'm not an early pagan living in early pagan conditions. I live in a countryside town by a forest yes but I'm not dependent on the seasons as to where I get my food, I go to Tesco. So why try and renact that way of life? Ok, I tend to use Yuletide instead of christmas in my cards but that's as far as I will go.

I'm not bothered if someone says Merry Christmas to me, it's a similar concept to my celebration. Either way Yuletide or Christmas this season is the time where I get time off from work to appeciate my friends and family.
 
 
Seth
07:21 / 15.12.05
I was quite struck yesterday by a Christian bloke on my shift who handed out Christmas cards to everyone except my Muslim friend, telling her that it was because she didn't celebrate Christmas. I asked her afterwards and she said she wouldn't have been offended if he had given her a card, and that she receives many cards each year.

The overall effect of his actions in this instance seemed to exclude her or make an example out of her, something that she rose above with grace but still seemed slightly upset about or resigned to. I have no idea if that was the effect he intended (I would hope not). It just struck me how hamfistedly he understood his colleague and her faith and was almost and insult to her open-mindedness.

Relevance? Well, it put my in mind of this thread and all the Wintervall stuff you hear most years now. How many faiths have celebrations at this time of year? Do we need a season stripped of its relevance to a specific religion so that everyone can self-define what it means to them?
 
 
Quantum
09:07 / 15.12.05
Wintervall

Sorry, what? That sounds ludicrous to me, who came up with 'winterval'? If someone wishes me a merry christmas I say 'Thank you, merry christmas to you too!' and if someone says 'Happy Ede!' or 'Happy Hanukah!' I'd say the same, 'Thanks, same to you!'

Does anyone know where greetings cards originated? When did we start sending pictures of snowmen and holly to each pther?
 
 
SteppersFan
10:46 / 15.12.05
Couple of relevant Fortean Times articles on Saint Nick and Xmas here: link
 
 
SMS
14:32 / 15.12.05
My brother, an elementary school teacher, made up a spelling test in which one of the words was supposed to be Kwanzaa. The auto-correct on his computer changed that word to Quincy. Henceforth, Quincy was holiday that one celebrates whenever one was not a part of the group of people the celebration was designed for. Happy Quincy!

In the old days, it was not called the Holiday Season; the Christians called it 'Christmas' and went to church; the Jews called it 'Hanukkah' and went to synagogue; the atheists went to parties and drank. People passing each other on the street would say 'Merry Christmas!' or 'Happy Hanukkah!' or (to the atheists) 'Look out for the wall!'
~Dave Barry, "Christmas Shopping: A Survivor's Guide"
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
16:01 / 15.12.05
Quantum - Fun facts about Christmas traditions - did you know about Santa Claus and Fly Agaric (Amanita Muscaria)?

If not - it's the big red mushroom with white trim, just like popular depictions of St. Nicholas hisself. Ingesting it is fairly likely to introduce you to little elfin helpers, who will probably give you gifts, though maybe not in the form of 'things', as such. Definitely a gateway to the Little People.

Not just that, but, just like psilocybin, it remains highly active as an intoxicant long after ingestion and subsequent expulsion, meaning that the urine of an animal intoxicated on it is highly hallucinogenic - possibly through several iterations depending on the strength of the mushroom. Reindeer are extremely partial to Fly Agaric in - you guessed it - Lapland, amongst other regions where the animals co-exist with the little red&white fungus. They like it a lot, the woolly antlered fungus munching auld hippies.

It was not uncommon for indigenous peoples in these chilly regions to consume the piss of reindeer known to be consuming Fly Agaric (or being deliberately fed it, whatever), a handy way of avoiding the nausea common to initial ingestion of this potent mushroom (though obviously not so handy for avoiding the nausea that goes with drinking reindeer piss...ugh...) and subsequently 'flying around with the reindeer', Ho ho ho. Taking a ride through the skies drawn by blitzkrieg and vixen or whatever their names are.

Likely to cause a few belly laughs as well. Ho, ho, HO!

Who'd have thunk a crazy deranged hallucinogenic drugs ritual would end up codified into our culture so completely, and presented to da kidz as good family fun? It makes me all warm and runny inside. If only things were more like this generally.
 
 
Quantum
18:35 / 16.12.05
That's so cool. I knew they drank the amanita piss but it hadn't occurred to me to make the Santa connection, ho ho ho! Toadstools coming down the chimney! People say Coke made Father Christmas red, but they don't say he was tripping at the time!
 
 
The Natural Way
09:49 / 17.12.05
Coke consolidated the red outfit by insisiting on a Santa dressed in. that. colour. scheme. only
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:20 / 17.12.05
True. As I understand it, images of Father Christmas exist in the now familiar red and white from waaaay before Coke's day, but also in green and white (as well as blue, and sometimes purple). It was Coke that decided that the amanita scheme was the One True Santasuit.
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:52 / 17.12.05
Yellow snow.
 
 
Eskay Doss
18:09 / 17.12.05
Y'know, I keep hearing about the Coka-Cola connection to Santa, but I'm having a hard time finding some hard facts. Anyone care to provide some linky-dinks please? And did the Coke co-op come before or after they altered their formula to make it blow-free? It seems Santa would have to be high on nose candy to get all his deliveries done on time in one single night. A Wild Man indeed.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:19 / 18.12.05
It was Rudolf that did all the Charley. Hence the nose.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
09:29 / 18.12.05
Mr. Tulpa, there's background to the branded Santa in For God, Country and Coca-Cola
 
 
electric monk
15:29 / 19.12.05
So multiple Jack & Coke's while opening gifts on Christmas Morning wouldn't be at all out of place then. Fab-OO!
 
 
grant
20:50 / 19.12.05
Mistletoe and wassailing -- as far as I can tell, it's all about the spunk of the He-God.

I chucked more links up on my blog. Feel free to correct anything I got wrong.
 
 
grant
13:09 / 20.12.05


Here comes Santa Claus, Here comes Santa Claus,
Coming down Santa Claus Way!
Here comes Santa Claus, Here comes Santa Claus,
Looking a lot like Frey!
 
 
Quantum
14:00 / 20.12.05
Ta for those links!
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:13 / 20.12.05
There's also an argument that Odin (or at least one of His less dodgy forms) feeds into the Father Christmas figure.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:17 / 05.01.06
Can't believe I haven't mentioned el caganer, an essential componant of every Catalan Nativity scene? Tucked away somewhere he won't offend the gaze of the Holy Family et al, there's always a little figure of a guy in traditional farmers' clothing squatting to take a crap. He represents the return of fertility to the land.

Brilliant.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
18:37 / 06.01.06
wrt to Laplanders, reindeer, fly agaric and all that fun with fungi:

the Laplander shamans (does the word shaman come from there or was it Siberia, anyway) wear colourful outfits, predominantly red with white trim.

hmmmm.

and the fly agaric mushrooms distort one's perception of scale (remember Alice in Wonderland?), and grow under pine trees.

ever wonder why we put gifts under the pine? I think we're trying to remember what it was we used to drink before we consumed that coca-cola which only tastes like reindeer piss.

imoho.

there's also the twelve days of christmas, representing the journey of the Magi, ending in the feast of the Epiphany.

journey of the magi from the birth of the sun/son, to their epiphany... nice little trip in 12 steps (13 steps if you start counting at 0).

--not jack

ps epiphany is today, jan 6 - you can seek enlightenment, or debauch as is more recently traditional.
 
 
grant
19:37 / 06.01.06
Oh, that's gorgeous.

Perfect for the season, too (hope he doesn't freeze his tushie!).
 
 
Quantum
21:57 / 06.01.06
Shit! (fnar)
My S/O has been going on about the crapping man for years, Mordant what's his name? What do Catalonians call the squatting dude?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:17 / 07.01.06
The only thing I've seen him called is "el caganer" (Catalan for "the crapping dude.")
 
  
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