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Friendships & Parenting

 
 
Loomis
11:57 / 09.12.05
Ok, there’s been a fairly lengthy discussion in another thread about this so it deserves its own home.

The change in relationship when friends become parents is something most of us have experienced from one side or the other and we all have different tales of whether friendships faded away or became stronger or didn’t change at all. Let’s use this thread to discuss experiences and offer strategies for both parties to deal with this major lifestyle change.

I think people should feel comfortable to air grievances about their experiences here. It’s perfectly legitimate for a new parent to feel isolated by their friends and it’s likewise perfectly legitimate for someone to feel that when their friends have children that's all they talk about.

So … I’d like to invite everyone who has posted in the other thread to please paste their comments in here as most of them stand alone so the order shouldn’t matter too much, and then we can take it from there.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:02 / 09.12.05
I feel that the only way one can truly appreciate the trials and challenges of parenthood is by taking on responsibility for a child oneself and seeing the impact that has on one's ability to socialise and one's alcohol consumption.

STOP WINING AND ADOPT!
 
 
Sax
12:11 / 09.12.05
How long have you been waiting to use that one?
 
 
Smoothly
12:13 / 09.12.05
He already did, elsewhere. I bet he's gutted he didn't wait to optimise it.
 
 
Smoothly
12:15 / 09.12.05
Ah. Copyright GGM I think.
Plagiarist.
 
 
Sax
12:18 / 09.12.05
Ah, but not the subtle "stop WINING" of Haus's.
 
 
Smoothly
12:19 / 09.12.05
Shit. All the good gags go over my head. So embarrassing.
 
 
Sax
12:23 / 09.12.05
Anyway. Loomis beat me to the punch here. I was planning to start a parenting thread so that all those with kids could ask questions and get answers and advice, or just whine for a bit, and all those without could either ignore the thread or chip in if they had anything to add or were just interested. Not sure if re-hashing the arguments from the miserable thread are necessary; perhaps we could kick off with either any questions non-parents have about kids (can I also refer you to the Head SHop thread here or if there's any subject parents want to throw open for discussion.
 
 
Smoothly
13:24 / 09.12.05
I’ve been thinking about my reaction to friends’ children and the feeling that presents itself most forcefully is stress. I think this partly ties into the fragility anxiety touched on in the other thread.
For example, a friend came round few weeks with her 6 month old son, and suddenly our flat looked like a death-trap – a veritable assault course of pointy corners, sharp edges, precarious weights and dangerous substances. His mother seemed unconcerned, but as he crawled around, bumping into things, investigating anything within reach, putting stuff his mouth, I’d have put even odds on which of us would fill his pants first. For the whole afternoon I felt like we were seconds away from tragedy and it really wound me up.

That’s not just me is it? It would be even more acute for the parents, I’d have thought. How do you cope with it? Do you just get used to it? Does your expectation of injury or death just diminish as accident-free days clock up? Do you feel that tension in environments that haven’t been child-proofed? Can you relax, focus on anything else when your child is in the room but out of arm’s reach?
 
 
Sax
13:46 / 09.12.05
I'd say that if the parent seems pretty much at ease in situations like that, then you should too. Parents develop a pretty keen sixth sense when it comes to their kids, and even though your friends might be animatedly discussing EastEnders/doing the Timewarp/snorting cocaine off your knees* then they probably have one eye on their kids. If the kid's in danger, they'll be there like a shot and gently ease them away from the sharp corners, blazing fires, loaded .44s. Similarly, if the baby's making a beeline for your mint, signed Watchmen then the parents should notice that too, but don't be afraid of quietly shifting stuff out of reach if you're antsy about it.



*Not recommended for sensible parents anywhere
 
 
Saveloy
14:00 / 09.12.05
Smoothly>

No, it's not just you. I always found taking my nipper to other peoples' places very stressful, for exactly the reasons you describe. The stress was increased by the fact that any time I removed an object from the boy's grasp or shuffled him away from a tottery pile of books I would imagine that our host was taking it as an implied criticism. It's even worse if you're watching someone else's kid. As they're barrelling towards the sharp end of an eye-level sword you think "I ought to stop him impaling himself on that thing, but it'll look like I'm telling the parent how to do their job."

Another *big* stress with other peoples' kids: am I allowed to tell them off?
 
 
Smoothly
14:42 / 09.12.05
Yeah, that stuff is another rich seam of discomfort. Add to that, ‘Can I use rude words around them?’, ‘Ought I hide the My Big Fat Greek Cock DVD?’, ‘Can I smoke?’, ‘Will I confuse him if I call that a dog rather than a bow-wow?’, etc.
 
 
Sekhmet
14:49 / 09.12.05
My friends who have had kids seem to vanish off the face of the earth.

Until they get divorced and have shared custody. Which, up to this point at any rate, they always do.

Then they show up at parties on nights when the other parent has the kid(s), and they get very drunk and flirt a lot with everyone. And then sometimes they cry, or break something, and then they either leave the party early or they pass out in the guest bedroom around 10:30.

I have lots of dysfunctional friends. For some reason those are always the first to have kids, have you noticed?
 
 
Loomis
14:54 / 09.12.05
But I bet everyone always wants to come to your parties.
 
 
William Sack
15:18 / 09.12.05
Saveloy, this business about feeling that other people might take your actions as an implied criticism of their parenting is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I know exactly what you mean, though, and often feel that way myself.

A reminder that children are not just sources of anxiety and discomfort.
 
  
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