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I killed John Lennon

 
 
Mourne Kransky
22:30 / 08.12.05
25 years since that miserable shit shot Lennon and, to mark the event, Channel 4 plays a documentary largely comprised of the Chapman life story and his boring, self-aggrandising, self-deluding ramblings on tape. I find myself seething. Anybody watch it and find it illuminating?
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
09:59 / 09.12.05
About as illuminating as these things get, I suppose. There weren't many suprises there really.

A narcissist you say? Making up for his lack of social stature? Not popular with the ladies? Well, broomstick me bumwards.

The lookie-likey in the reconstructions was frighteningly similar in appearance to Chapman though. Do you think he has Bono's address?
 
 
Smoothly
10:49 / 09.12.05
I intended to boycott this for the reasons that (I gather) Xoc is seething, but it came on in the background and I found myself drawn into it.
One thing I did find quite illuminating is that Chapman hasn’t been diagnosed with any particular mental illness (despite exhibiting symptoms of pretty much everything in the book). Although that assertion seemed to be undermined by the constant references to Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I’d like to have heard more hard psychiatry really. The fact that he seemed to have spent a great deal of time prior to the shooting, *willing* himself to develop some kind of split personality, delusions etc, made this more intriguing.

He was also more articulate than I expected, and strangely self-aware in the way he identified some of the turning points in his development. I have to admit that I found the part about how devastated he was to discover that, while hanging out with his hippie friends on the beach, someone had gone through his wallet, strangely affecting.

As an opportunity for him to self-publicise it didn’t bother me too much in the end because his self-analysis was shown so clearly for what it is – the rambling narcissism of a very unwell man. Considering his appeals for parole, this evidence will surely stack up to keep him in Attica for the rest of his life.
 
 
matthew.
13:06 / 09.12.05
So, I read on Chud.com that the great all-knowing gods in Hollywood are going to make a movie about Mark David Chapman's life starring - get this - Jared Leto and Lindsay Lohan. Cruel joke? Or actual fact? Let's hope for the former.
 
 
Smoothly
13:44 / 09.12.05
Casting aside, do you think the film in itself is a bad idea?

I think the idea that by talking about Chapman we are in some way fulfilling his desires can be overstated. As this documentary made clear, it wasn’t notoriety that Chapman was after, it was adulation. As he said about arriving in New York in October 1980 – “You have to understand, I didn’t think I was doing anything evil. I thought I was good. A white knight kinda thing."
The whole world thinking that he is a pathetic loser is pretty much his worst nightmare.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
14:07 / 09.12.05
I would say that getting Lindsey Lohan to play him is a bad idea...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
16:36 / 09.12.05
Well yeah, SW, but on the other hand, wouldn't M Chapman have to be at least vaguely complicit in the making of a film of his (non)life story, in terms of access to his diaries and that kind of thing? It's my (perhaps incorrect) understanding that without your say-so, Hollywood can't really feed on your corpse until it's buried, in any case.

And either way, wouldn't a straight bio-pic about this be a bit needlessly offensive? However critical it was? If I was a relative of one of Ted Bundy's victims, say, it seems a pretty good bet that I'd rather that movie had not been made, really. There are important issues raised by someone like Mark Chapman's lunacy, sure, but then couldn't they be just as easily, and let's face it, far less hurtfully addressed in a (however lightly-veiled) fictional account? Isn't that, after all, one of things that fiction's basically for?

And it's not as if we're talking about the Third Reich here, that sort of unprecendented event - The plot of the Chapman film would, at a guess, be fairly straightforward, you'd have an inspirational, millionaire rock star who meant too much to his fans going into retreat to get away from them all, old film clips of the star in his prime cross-cut into shots one of his biggest supporters having a wank in the bathroom, reading Camus, buying groceries, taking ill-advised LSD then splitting up with his wife, and then buying 'a gub' ('No, it's a gun' 'Well it looks to me more like 'gub' etc) and then, at his wits end because no one's prepared to take him seriously, getting on the red eye to New York to meet, really meet his hero, finally, by which point the inevitable would seem just that.

The fact that anyone's even thinking of naming names in this, er, 'project' seems like an intense failure of imagination, never mind taste, IMVHO.
 
 
Smoothly
23:33 / 09.12.05
Sure, I'm not saying it's likely to be a *good* film, just that it's not a particularly bizarre idea. I take your point that the relatives of someone like Ted Bundy's victims might not want a film being made about him, but it's not as if Hollywood gives a shit.

Sure, there are other ways that the media might want to address the Chapman case (this documentary, being one), but I'm surprised that anyone's shocked to learn that a movie's among them.
 
 
gridley
05:51 / 10.12.05
It's not so much a matter of being shocked, Smoothly, at least not with me. It's more that it makes me uncomfortable when we give these glory-seeking nuts the kind of attention they so desperately crave.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:01 / 10.12.05
I'm actually quite pissed off that I missed this, being both a big Lennon fan and someone who has an unhealthy interest in what drives people to kill. (I find the Chapman case especially interesting for what it tells us about the law's attitude towards madness and religion- if God, or indeed the little people who live behind pictures on your wall, talk to you and tell you NOT to do bad things your madness isn't taken into account when determining your sentence, etc).

WRT the whole Hollywood not giving a shit thing- I know it wasn't exactly Hollywood, but the TV movie Ambush At Waco came out before the siege had even finished...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
12:06 / 10.12.05
Not seething any more, with a bit of distance. My principle objection was simply thetiming. Make a film about Chapman if you want but don't show it as your piece of celebratory mass culture on the 25th anniversary of the shooting.

Some of this ire is driven by a connection to Lennon that might not be felt so much by you young pups. I started school the year the Beatles had their first UK No 1. They split up during my turbulent teens. I was in my twenties when John was killed.

Chapman wasn't mad. He has a personality disorder. You can't cure him or change him. He is a screw up, and a homicidcal one at that. Far better that he languishes forgotten, which would punish him, rather than give him attention by sneering at him. I am aware that I see the red mist whenever I think of him though, and perhaps lose perspective, so I'll just rave away in my corner here.
 
  
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