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The Alphabet

 
 
grant
02:09 / 30.11.05
OK, I just had this thought about alphabets while walking the dog.

I was wondering if there was any tradition for using our alphabet (ay bee cee) as a divining tool.

Most other alphabets or writing systems I know of are based on letters having meanings. In Chinese, there aren't really letters at all, just characters which stand for words (the characters can have separate, visual etymologies, unrelated to the syllables they represent). Hebrew has gematria, where letters stand for numbers (like yod is 10), which can also stand for things (like you can't say 16 as yod+6, because adding the vav makes it an unutterable name of G-d). And runes? Y'all know all about runes, right?

I was also thinking about playing card divination -- modern playing cards being descendants of the minor arcana of the tarot, but also used in their own style of fortune telling for ages. (I've got a really fun old "Fortune Telling" book with chapters on palmistry, tea leaves, fortune-telling charts and playing cards.) The playing card deck is an ordinary thing with some esoteric associations that are linked to an oral tradition.

Is there anything like that for the ABCs?

Even in a mundane sense, we think of certain letters as meaning certain things. A,B,C,D and F are the letter grades -- A for achievement, F for failure. X is a mystery, which might hide a treasure. Y brings together two sources into one thing. I is me, myself.

What about the rest of them?
 
 
Unconditional Love
07:20 / 30.11.05
My first impression is 52 playing cards,already containing the numera, divide 52 by 2 get 26 apply each letter twice to a card(one as positive/active one as negative/passive?) start your divination using letters and numbers.

I am so far confused as to using kings queens and jacks, perhaps research into the most commonly used letters in the english language, and also how to give suits precedence, divisions based on common mundane activites.

diamonds for work money trade etc
spades for manual house hold chores, home life etc
clubs for conflict confrontation dispues etc
hearts for realtionships affairs of the heart emotions etc

Just ideas.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:07 / 01.12.05
A for 'orses. B for mutton. C for yourself. Sorry, silly mood.

Could one incorporate into such a system the use of letters for scientific notation? Lowercase i for electric current, j for that most magical of concepts, the square root of minus one,* uppercase V for volts when we're counting them and lowercase for voltage generally...


*This is i for those ivory tower mathematical types. Hard scientists use j.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:13 / 01.12.05
I kinda like this idea, but I don't think I've ever seen it done. Should we try to work up a system?

Just think - you could use alphabet soup for divination.
 
 
Sekhmet
13:15 / 01.12.05
Or alphabet blocks. Or a Scrabble set. Or a computer keyboard.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:35 / 01.12.05
Next time I come upon a dead computer keyboard (people chuck all sorts out round here, you wouldn't believe it), I'm totally ripping the keys off and turning it into an oracle. I wonder how they might relate to the runes?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:01 / 01.12.05
A computer keyboard adds another layer of complexity, of course, because there's more than one symbol on most of the keys. This keyboard is especially interesting because it has lots of 'extra' characters to handle the Spanish character set. (I mean, obviously they're not really 'extra' because I'm in Spain, but they are extra in my head IYSWIM.)
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:23 / 01.12.05
For me, I think it would be difficult to seperate out the meanings of the letters of the alphabet from the meanings of the runes that are also in the alphabet. Can't look at X without thinking it as the complex of associations within Gebo. Can't look at R, B, F, I, S, M, and so on without conjuring up the runic mysteries that are there. I guess it would involve talking all of that on into the modern alphabet, maybe looking at where some of the other letters come from and any magical associations there, and combining all of that with more contemporary "meanings" of the alphabet that might exist in our culture right now. I think the keyboard letters is a great basis for that oracle. It would lead to exploring the mysteries of the relationship between 3 and £, 5 and %, 8 and *, and so on as they appear on the numeral keys.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
14:24 / 01.12.05
Hah, just pre-empted me there with multiple symbols on keys thing.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:04 / 01.12.05
Yeah, I find the interrelation between our alphabet and the runes interesting from this perspective. When I use spontaneous non-traditional divination which makes use of letters and numbers (like looking for Hidden Messages From The Beyoooond in car numberplates) I find I almost get sort of runic puns these days. Little jokes riffing off the whole X = G, P = W/V, ect. Then you get into stuff like less-than = Kenaz, greater-than = Kenaz merkstave...

I was having a discussion elsewhere which touched on this. An online aquaintance was contemplating a Loki tattoo in runes, but didn't want Isa or Othila because the meaning and energy of those particular runes was at odds with what she wanted on her skin. We'd encountered a mainstrean Asatruar who was so terrified of old Sparky that he spelled Loki "L*k!", so I jokingly suggested that she use an asterisk and an exclamation mark instead... then realised later that a six-pointed asterisk character is also a version of Hagalaz, the rune of hail, and therefore possibly not something one would want to get inked without due consideration.
 
 
Quantum
17:41 / 01.12.05
On a slightly shallower note, Arthur Dent divines the question of the meaning of life from randomly dipping into a scrabble bag...
Coincidentally I just discovered there are two people named Loki in Brighton (one male one female), so I can introduce them! They could have a baby and call it L*k! and then...

I'll get my coat.
 
 
eye landed
22:47 / 01.12.05
one of the interesting things about english is how little the letters correspond to the sounds of words. we have little etymological bits that stick beyond pronunciation, making english more like chinese than any other language with letters, afaik.

we use a lot of 'bindrunes' like 'th' and 'sh'. some letters can be sneaky, such as 'gh' in combination. 'h' is especially suspicious. 'c' is also suspicious, since it can do double duty as two very different sounds. other obviously strange letters include 'j', 'q', 'w', 'x', 'y', and 'z'. nice that they stuck a lot of them in a cluster at the end.

vowels can make all sorts of unpredictable sounds, alone or together.

check this out. its a poetic experiment with vowels. and that guys other book, crystalography, which isnt online, also touches on the subject.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:48 / 02.12.05
And then you get the abbreviations and substitutions used in txt-speak and l33t. Depending on your system, 3 can be equal to C, or to Þ, or to E...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:10 / 02.12.05
And it's just occured to me that of course I used a whole character string to produce Þ: & # 2 2 2 ;

HTML character codes as a form of bindrune... Within that simple string, a weath of possible meaning. The ampersand is the logogram (bindrune?) of the Latin word "et." As for the #-sign, well, I could go on all day about that one. Hash, gate, octothorn, splat, hex sign...
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:24 / 02.12.05
David Allen Hulse has a whole chapter on the English alphabet-as-gematria in his seminal book 'The Key of it All Vol. 2 - The Western Mysteries', which I have, but I'm still on volume 1 (The Eastern Mysteries).

I'll have a look this weekend and try to bring a bit of what he has to say to bear...
 
 
charrellz
14:10 / 02.12.05
Go pick up one of those kid's books that teach the alphabet, you know the ones with the big image of the letter and a picture of something that starts with that letter. A is for apple, B is for boy, those things. Use those images for meanings. Apple has links to the bible, discordianism, whatever. The fun one I thought of was X is for X-ray, X-ray is for science, revealing hidden truths, etc.

You could take one of these books, tear out the pages and form a new tarot deck type thing, or use the good-old-fashioned flip-to-a-random-page method.
 
 
grant
17:57 / 09.02.06
In case you're looking for more magical alphabets, check this unusual Stupid Magick Question.
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:49 / 11.02.06
ouija board
 
 
Illihit
23:28 / 16.02.06
You guys might want to check out the Supreme Alphabet and Supreme Mathematics of the Nation of Gods and Earths (commonly, the Five Percenters):

Supreme Alphabet

Supreme Mathematics

It talks about the hidden meaning behind the letters. A common practice of the NGE is also to break words down, i.e. universe becomes U-N-I-verse (You and I verse), or libraries becoming lies buried. It's talked about a little bit in this article.
 
 
Wyrd
17:52 / 18.02.06
Grant,

This is an interesting topic. I love the English language. It is a living entity. It is the language of conquest. Note how it continues to evolve. It eats words, adds them to its substance, and shits out what no longer works. It is the lingua franca (heh) of the Western World, especially since it has practically taken over the Internet.

It mutates, and spawns localised versions of itself that give groups a sense of identity via their unique lingo. It is a hydra, with many heads but a central body.

Yet, at its basis, the alphabet is curiously magically dormant. Like the language, it is malleable, so it will work with what you bring to it. Hence, you can use gematria, or numerology, or whatever you like with the alphabet - it's about the construct you create.

The runes, on the other hand, are inherently magical, and each letter is like a entity. Like Hebrew, each individual letter has an innate meaning that acts like a gateway. Therefore how you combine the letters (bindrunes, etc.) is a complex affair. They have interrelationships.

This is all just off the top of my head, so I might be a bit fanciful here. I understand others might not agree, and that's cool.

It might reflect my personal relationship with the language.
 
 
grant
19:41 / 20.02.06
I think what you're describing, actually, is an effect of being inside the language. I've started flirting with Chinese (not taking classes or anything, but flipping through character dictionaries and whatnot) and keep finding it intensely meaningful. It's bizarre -- every word has a visual etymology that's totally unrelated to spoken language (and the same character can mean the same thing in Japanese, Korean & related languages, while it's spoken entirely differently).

Whereas when I look at an "A" I just see an "A" (and I know it's the same thing as an "a" even though my book larnin' tells me the one is based on a cow's head and the other is... well, what *are* lower case letters based on, anyway?)
 
 
cusm
19:46 / 25.02.06
Leave it to Grant to draw my attention back to the Temple again with a topic that I spend considerable time pondering on. I believe the approach here is to discard references to runes, the Greek letters etc and view the English letters from their cultural meanings. For we do apply meanings to them. It is just a matter of looking at them from a general enough perspective to see it. That is to say, "F=failure, X=mystery" is the approach to take, and one I've pondered on. Just haven't actually written enough notes on. But that's what the 'lith is good for, eh? Here's a start:

A 1, the best, the highest, Aleph. More esotericly, see Aleph references as they directly apply. I as repect to Divinity rather than the I of the self.

B 2, second best, imperfect, "B-movies", Good but not great. More esotericly, Being - To Be. If 1 has references to God, unity and the I, then "1 2" is God saying "I Am". AB = Alphabet, Alpha Beta. Thus, B is the second side of the prime duality, where A is the perespective from within and B "The Other". A is the source, B the manifestation.

C 3. Average grade. Unremarkable. See. The shape suggests openness, and thus perception. Classic associations with 3, though here the direct numerical references stop. Modern people don't associate numbers to letters beyond ABC, which I find interesting in of itself.

D Below average grade. Sense of negativity, Devil, Down, Dog. Home of the Horned God, master of the physical or baser world.

E Excess. Higher powers. Too much. Overwhelming energy.

F Failing grade. Where D is cthonic but still positive, F carries negative or even baser connocations. The F Word. Abuse, irresponsibility, mismanagement.

G Gebo rings strongly here still. Gift, Generosity, Gregariousness.

H Help. Ehwaz. H is seldom anything much on its own, more often paired with other letters. Th, gh, wh. Assistance, partnership.

I singuality, but of the self. The personal I, rather than the impersonal and numeric singulaity in A. The aspects of personal will in Isa of the runes, but without the references to ice, though ideas of stagnations can still be applied through excessive focus on the self.

J Hook. J-walk. A sudden turn, unexpectd. Crooked. Criminal.

K oK. King. Masculinity, and the stability of Chesed.

L Love, Life, sensuality. Laguz.

M Mmmmm.... Sensual pleasure, the physical world. Mother, Money, Malchuth.

N No. Negation, negativity, denial.

O Openness. The circle. The cry of ecstacy, being filled to transpersonal experience. Release of boundries and experience of the great Zero, the void. Meditation. OM - O is the opening and releasing into the void, M the return to physical and endings. The AU in the AUM formulae.

P Power, Peek, Put, Park, Police, Person. I have a sense of directed will, the hand which causes manifestation, the action, and control. Gebura.

Q The unknowable. Where X is the mystery veiled, Q is the mystery beyond understanding, beyond reach. The impersonal mystery. Question. It must always be paired with "U", save when used in literature to name something alien. the pairing with "U" tames alien, gives it a reference where otherwise it remains outside our understanding and thus indicates the danger of that which is beyond our control.

R Are. Past tense of Being, reference to the past, and thus continuation of motion into the present and future. For Are is not so much past but singifying of what we have been and still Are. From this I draw some reference to the motion in Raido, but more of a temporal sense.

S serpents, twisting, uncertainty, danger around the bend. The meaning is in the shape. Strongest reference to Serpents.

T Tau. The cross. Support. The word is the shape. T is one thing built upon another, the sacrifice that allows another to become more.

U You. As B is to A, U is to I. The personal other, where B is the impersonal and abstract Other.

V Victory, success, balance and influence of 5 and the pentacle brings about the tribal happiness indicated in Wunjo, as victory on a cultural level brings about peace, another use of V as a finger sign.

W Who, What, When, Where, Why, hoW? W is in every question. For its nature is in the Wind, and the air element of speech. W is in asking, but more esotericly is liked to Air for deeper references.

X The unknown. Variable. X marks the spot. Planet X. X rated. X is forbidden, taboo, as culturally we fear the cthonic and undefined.

Y Why? Visuallty, the joining of two forces, or the choice of two paths. Y is causality, the way that one thing leads to another. Yes. Allowing one to continue, as one event allows the occurrance of the next.

Z Endings. Omega. Sleep, as reference to death and thus end. Names beginning with Z have an alien ring to them containing myetery elements, drawing from the cultural fear of death.

For some I find the older greek and runic references still hold strongly, but that is to be expected. In others, modern cultural meanings have overridden the traditional, as it should be. Anyway, quick brain storm there on my impressions of each. Add data from your own impressions to round these out and we might just get somewhere with it.
 
 
Unconditional Love
11:28 / 26.02.06
Y could be the forked tongue of the serpent, why?, nothing is being, everything must have a reason to be, the tyranny of reason without faith or heart.
 
 
grant
16:54 / 27.02.06
I tend to read "X" as a crossroads -- the unseen into the seen, the known and the unknown. Thus, inquiry and revelation -- solve for "x."

"M" is also graphically female. m. mammaries. (Or maybe I'm just feeling a little randy.) Like a "B" (boobies!) lying down. Interesting that both those letters are... is "labials" the right word? Formed with closed lips, at any rate.

I like the visual connection of "H" with cooperation, since it's two figures joined by a bridge.

I'm not sure where the graphic for "L" leaves me, though.
 
 
Olulabelle
22:57 / 27.02.06
This is really interesting. I have weird feelings about some letters, but I didn't know other people were thinking about them in terms of 'meaning'. I thought it just made me a bit odd.

L always makes me think of a lever, because it looks like one and begins the word, I read a word beginning with 'L' like the rest of the word is being lifted up, being discovered.

H has always felt really 'together' for me, as Cusm said, 'assistance' or 'partnership'. It's probably because my first name begins with I so H is like two I's joined. My other half, other self. That sounds really egocentric, but I don't mean it to be.
 
 
Olulabelle
00:49 / 03.03.06
I've just worked out by talking about this with some Lith people that my L is about learning about something. The L stands for considering.
 
 
grant
12:48 / 10.11.06
Considering would involve taking a "new angle" on something, I suppose.

Here I just found this graphic, showing the evolution of our Roman letters out of Phoenician.

It doesn't actually say what the Phoenician letters represented -- I'd really like to find that. I know "A" is an upside-down bull's head (and I think it's interesting that the futhork starts out with cattle as well -- important animals).
 
 
Papess
14:11 / 10.11.06
The symbolism is similar to Hebrew, Grant.
 
 
squareye
07:47 / 11.11.06
There is a basic numberology in English folklore associated with the English alphbet.

Consulting the wisdom of my 'Reader's Digest Folkore Myths and Legends of Britain' I see on p. 95 a section associating numbers to each letter via a table:

123456789
ABCDEFGHI
JKLMNOPQR
STUVWXYZ

This divination is just for names in this catalogue so add up the numbers associated with the letters of your name. Keep adding the result until you end up with a single number and read off your character.

1 Singleminded
2 Feminine
3 Brilliant
4 Steady
5 Nervous
6 Simple (as in guileless)
7 Scholarly
8 Powerful or rich
9 Idealistic

A number of these associations are similar to the playing card numbers found in many books on fortune-telling for playing cards.

However it should be easy enough to enlarge these general meanings and perhaps use a method via bibliomancy. Thus:

Open a book at random and place your finger on a word with your question in mind. Use the numerology to give a reading.

Hey Presto!
 
  
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