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Celebrity Death

 
  

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pointless & uncalled for
10:51 / 25.11.05
It seems that we have a new reality show in town, Celebrity Death.

As the life of ex-footballer, George Best, draws to an end the contestants, the news agencies, are competing to be the first to come out with graphic new details of his decline. Extra points are scored by alluding to his "hedonistic and hellraising ways" in a manner befitting the respect due to the very soon to be dead.

But who's going win the "You heard it here first" challenge?

Maybe I've just developed excessive prudishness but is this three ring circus not just a tad wrong? Shouldn't the meeja be handling the construct of death with a little bit more dignity? Or are we going to have to go through this whole fiasco every time someone vaguely recognisable starts to wander towards the light?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
10:57 / 25.11.05
Best's a special case. His entire life's been played out in front of the media and his various illnesses have been public circus for as long as I can remember. The press have been wanting this moment to come for years - it was inevitable that they'd be all over his eventual death, and the fact that it's become a slow, drawn-out process is better than any of them could hoped for.

It's not just somenody "vaguely recognisable" - it's somebody who's (willingly?) become the property of the press.
 
 
Spaniel
10:59 / 25.11.05
Well, er, no, I don't think so. George Best's health issues have been a viable news story for a long time now, linked, as they are, to a broader interest in him as a "legendary" football player and hell-raiser. Not to mention all the furore around the organ donation debate and his high profile alcholism.

Basically I see the current morbid fascination with George's death as simply the culmination of a set of other stories and not representative of a trend.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:00 / 25.11.05
As a sidenote on George Best, I am wondering who people will use after his death as an example of the undeserving recipient of the human liver.
 
 
Sax
11:02 / 25.11.05
Sky News is trailering "Best health announcement due" so I think we can safely assume he's poured his last champagne pyramid.
 
 
Smoothly
11:04 / 25.11.05
He's dead. Sky wins.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:05 / 25.11.05
BBC just announced it as well. Draw?
 
 
Spaniel
11:05 / 25.11.05
Just been announced on Radio 4.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:06 / 25.11.05
So... what do we think the geopolitical implications of this are?
 
 
Spaniel
11:07 / 25.11.05
Arrgh, I was aiming for an Aint it Cool News style FIRST!!11!!
 
 
Spaniel
11:09 / 25.11.05
I think the important geopolitical news stories will be ignored whilst the news media devotes huges amounts of time to this eversoheartbreaking human interest story.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:11 / 25.11.05
In which case I heard about it first on Barbelith...

Strangely, when I had a few weeks off work not long ago, I had the impression he was about to go then... so, having not seen any news for three weeks, assumed he was already dead. Therefore when I saw a headline about him being in intensive care last week, my first thought was "bloody hell, how's THAT for a miraculous recovery?"

(My second, unfortunately, was that being George Best's doctor would be a great way to meet women. But that's because I'm a bad, bad person).
 
 
Loomis
11:15 / 25.11.05
At least now I won't have to see those same pictures of him in his kitchen every time I turn the sodding television on.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
11:19 / 25.11.05
Good job the licensing extensions came through in time. The fans will be able to spend longer getting wasted to celebrate the life of a man who died because of getting wasted. Tributetastic

Still, he could have copped it before Halloween. That sobbing agent, jaundiced photo would have made an ace costume.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:23 / 25.11.05
Interesting point regarding celebrity and the manner of his death- I don't see anyone clamouring for this topic to be moved to G&G, whereas if some guy from a band died of drink it'd definitely be a Music topic. I'm guessing the booze outweighs the football as his defining characteristic now.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:31 / 25.11.05
You might want to leave it a week, Loomis.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
11:32 / 25.11.05
I did wonder if it should end up elsewhere. Media for their interaction with his death, G&G for the reason for his celebrity or Switchboard because of the apparent newsworthiness of him as a divorced alcoholic. Decided on Convo in the end because it didn't feel like a strong enough topic for any other forum.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:34 / 25.11.05
Oh, I wasn't complaining, SK- just thought it was interesting.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
11:42 / 25.11.05
Wasn't taking it as a complaint. Just thought I would share the workings of my little brain gremlins.
 
 
Loomis
11:54 / 25.11.05
Perhaps we need a wifebeating forum? This would fit perfectly.
 
 
Jub
12:00 / 25.11.05
Wife beating. Yay! An angry alcoholic lecherous wife beating forum yay!

I heard about Best from Barbelith. I never saw him play football even though everyone says he was brilliant at it. Fair enough - but all I've ever seen him in the news for is being a drunk and a lech and a bad husband - oh, and that it boy's dad.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
12:03 / 25.11.05
So far only Evening Standard have referenced the wife-beating in the obituary, winning them exemption from eviction from this tawdry love in.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:11 / 25.11.05
Jesus. The BBC are really milking this. A special news report now, even though they've already dedicated all of the 1PM news to it.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
12:21 / 25.11.05
Perhaps they'll reschedule the entire weekends programming so that they can broadcast highlights of every match that he's played in whilst fellow footballers and other celebrities with a couple of minutes on their hands will reminisce tearfully on how important he was to them, not least because by dying they've managed to get a few more moments of airtime.

Not to worry that thousands of people are dying in very tragic an unnecessary ways all over the world. Good old Georgie drank himself into an early grave and the world needs to stop turning for a moment.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:32 / 25.11.05
Hang on there. George Best aside, is the position here that alcoholism is not a condition the sufferers of which deserve sympathy or attention? Please consider your answer.
 
 
sleazenation
12:39 / 25.11.05
It's a slow news day what with the US holidays - this is likely to dominate the news for the next few days
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
12:41 / 25.11.05
Sympathy and attention yes, excessive coverage and shameless emotional public pandering no.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:46 / 25.11.05
Hang on there. George Best aside, is the position here that alcoholism is not a condition the sufferers of which deserve sympathy or attention? Please consider your answer.

Not sure where you've got that from, Haus. The position seems to be that the death of one man who was mainly famous for being ill doesn't warrant the attention it's receiving from the news media when they spend far less time on stories that have a more significant effect on the world and the lives of a large number of people.

It's easy news. That's the only reason for it - because it doesn't require any more thought or expense to broadcast or publish than a trawl through the archives.
 
 
The Falcon
12:52 / 25.11.05
Well, latterly, he was 'famous for being ill'. But he wouldn't have been that had he not beeen absolutely shit-hot at football first.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
12:57 / 25.11.05
But he hadn't been a sportsman for decades. His time as a footballer isn't what gained him most of his time in the spotlight - that was his lifestyle, then his illnesses.

Was Best actually that good of a footballer that he deserves all the 'best ever' plaudits that have been chucked around forever?
 
 
The Falcon
13:15 / 25.11.05
It seems to be acknowledged that he was pretty much the UK's best ever attacking footballer. There's a lot of 'bestest ever ever' shite being thrown about on Sky Sports News, which is - I don't think so.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:25 / 25.11.05
Hard to say - he never played football at the highest level in his national side, which is generally how greatness is measured - Pele and Maradonna both won World Cups, but then neither Pele nor Maradonna were playing for Northern Ireland. In terms of his possible impact on a game, his ability to beat defenders at the top level of the club game and his ball control, then it's pretty safe to argue that he was one of the best footballers of the modern game in his position.

As for where I got it - well:


Not to worry that thousands of people are dying in very tragic an unnecessary ways all over the world. Good old Georgie drank himself into an early grave and the world needs to stop turning for a moment.


This raises the rather interesting question of what constitutes a necessary death. Sacrifices to the Winged Serpent to make sure that the Sun rises tomorrow aside, how does one identify which deaths are necessary or unnecessary? Honestly, I'm not entirely sure where starting a thread sneering at George Best becomes significantly more worthwhile to help all those evocative starving Africans than putting on a retrospective on the 1 o'clock news.

Besides which, it's not like they would have been caught by surprise and desperately flanneling while they updated the obituary, now, is it?

As to why the focus - well, I think it's easy for the younger people to miss some of the significance of George Best. As somebody who did remarkable things in the 60s and then became tabloid-fodder, he's probably comparable in terms of celebrity within Britain and fame at the time with one of the Beatles or Rolling Stones. He was the prototype of the celebrity footballer we see these days - young, attractive, post-maximum wage, going out clubbing in sharp suits and hanging out with pop stars. He is also, of course, a powerful metaphor for the destructive qualities of fame, and the difficulties of adjusting to life after you are no longer able to do the one thing at which you are not just good but great. The man was a huge honking morality tale, and one that ties, I suspect, into many of the anxieties and insecurities of a generation (in particular a generation of men) a little younger than Best but older than the average Barbeloid who can see in Best the prolonged collapse of their own dreams - this may be one of those cases where the media is not really focusing on the youth angle.

It's possible that the death of George Best may not be an interesting story for all, but is a story of considerable interest for a number of different groups. I can't help but wonder what an apalling, embarrassing place Barbelith might have been to exist in if Bill Hicks had managed to make it through to 2002 or so...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:16 / 25.11.05
Twice in two days- I'm taking a very lax hiatus here but I need you all to know that Mr Miyagi (aka Pat Morita) has also died today.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:04 / 25.11.05
Stop the beach party, plug the foaming keg,
Be silent now, and do not sweep the leg.
Tie back your hair, block multiple attacks
Put on and then take off the gleaming wax.

Now, let Survivor soundtrack my lament
Let even bad guys offer their assent.
Put on your belt, your gi and trousers baggy
And join with me to mourn Mr. Miyagi.

He was my friend, inscrutable but wise.
Who battled foes approaching twice his size.
Catch flies in chopsticks now; you don't have long.
Invincible I thought him. I was wrong.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:24 / 25.11.05
Aw man.

Los Angeles (dpa) - Actor Pat Morita, best known for his role as a wise mentor in the "Karate Kid" movie series, has died aged 73, news reports said Friday. Morita died of natural causes in his Las Vegas home on Thursday.

He rose to fame as Matsuo "Arnold" Takahashi in the popular television sitcom "Happy Days" in the mid 1970's and also had roles in the movies "Honeymoon in Vegas", "Spy Hard", "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" and "The Centre of the World".

Born to a Japanese family of migrant fruit pickers in northern California on June 28, 1932, Morita as a child had spinal tuberculosis and was interned at a camp for Japanese-Americans during World War II.

He started his career in show business with a stand-up comedy routine, and eventually would be nominated for a supporting actor Oscar in 1984 for his role as the mentor and karate teacher in The Karate Kid. He reprised his portrayal of "Mr. Miyagi" in the three sequels, including 1994's "The Next Karate Kid", starring Hilary Swank.
 
  

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