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Moore wants name removed from unowned works

 
  

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Spaniel
09:53 / 15.11.05
Yeah, but does anyone think he's unquestionably awesome?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:29 / 15.11.05
I'd say so.

Its often enough i read, 'widely acknowledged as the gretest writer ever to grace te comic book medium . . . .'

yes.

I say yes.

there's such a crappy bit in watchmen when blake says of the vietnam conflict, 'man, i think if we'd lost this war, it would have fucked armerica up.'

It's so throwaway in its lazy use, so sixth-form and so . . . Ultimate, really.

and there's loads more like it throughout.

ending is fucking dumb too.

I say, let shave the bastard.
 
 
_Boboss
10:31 / 15.11.05
well, i think he does. not necessarily his fault, but there have been so many tongues past the threshold of his fundament over the past twenty years that even the morally perfect moore seems to have got very curmudgeonly of late. i was given as a pressie the interview book with him by george khoury - the main impression i got was of a man who really, really, really liked talking about himself and was more or less convinced that his run on dr and quinch required a lot of seriousness to discuss these days, it being a seminal work of classic mooreness.

kovacs' point remains the most telling here - he'll put his name or picture all over books that he's only distantly worked-on. and next time we want to buy an all-new comic by him, he's going to make sure you have to get a CD of his music as well. imagine lou reed insisting you pick up a copy of his latest funnybook when all you want is the new record. pretentieuse?
 
 
Quantum
10:47 / 15.11.05
Big ego to go with a big beard. But fair enough I say, he does put out good comics.
To you Moore naysayers I have two words- Geoff...Johns...
 
 
This Sunday
13:24 / 15.11.05
And I have two words to wash the taste of both those away:
Grant Morrison.

Sorry, but Moore just... too calculated and fitted. It's like saying Spielberg is the greatest director of all time. Every time someone says it, another copy of '8 1/2' springs up out of the ground as part of the world's self-defense mechanisms.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
13:32 / 15.11.05
Actually, I wouldn't mind reading a comic by Lou Reed. If John Cale can do a book with Dave McKean, why not Lou Reed and, for example...Frank Quitely?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
13:37 / 15.11.05
sliding off-topic even more [maybe]... Moore's work is certainly more accessible to crowds than say, Morrison's - whose books a lot of people with no more than two working braincells have a problem "getting".

haven't read WATCHMEN in ages. it's very, very good, a book of an era, but I always doubted its potential for topping all the lists of "best comics of all time" and "book that proves Comics can be serious and literate and respectable, too".

it's a superhero book, so even if superheroes are where Comics mostly exercise their full potential, I'm doubtful that a great representative of a genre can be the poster child of a whole medium.

hm, this is a very dated discussion anyway.

I hope Moore finaly gets a good lawyer to see what he can do - if anything - to prove he's been screwed, get the rights to those books back [or most of them]. it won't be easy, but it's better than only bitch about it to the press.
 
 
sleazenation
14:01 / 15.11.05
So, has debate really now devolved to the level of baldy Morrison is a much better writer than beardy Moore?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:19 / 15.11.05
aye
 
 
The Falcon
14:51 / 15.11.05
he is, anyway.

I dunno, sleaze, why don't you offer a new and exciting spin instead?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:52 / 15.11.05
They're both shit!
 
 
matthew.
00:54 / 17.11.05
sort of related:
from DCComics.com
"DC COMICS COLLECTS EVERY ALAN MOORE DCU STORY IN ONE VOLUME!

October 10th, 2005 - Gathering every DCU tale written by Alan Moore under one cover for the very first time, DC UNIVERSE: THE STORIES OF ALAN MOORE TP features sixteen stories including the never-before-collected BATMAN: THE KILLING JOKE and SUPERMAN: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW.

Topped with a new cover by Brian Bolland, DC UNIVERSE: THE STORIES OF ALAN MOORE TP features art by Bolland, Dave Gibbons, Kevin O'Neill, Klaus Janson, Jim Baikie, Curt Swan, Rick Veitch, Joe Orlando, John Byrne, Bill Willingham and others, in stories originally published from 1985-1988."

The list of all the issues appears on the news article, by the way.
I'm excited. I don't want to waste 16 dollars (CAN) for the Killing Joke and 20 (CAN) for the Superman thing. I'll pay 30 bucks for the entire thing. And... the cover's pretty awesome...
 
 
matthew.
00:59 / 17.11.05
Sorry to double-post

I would bet serious money that DC is publishing this without any consent from the bearded wizard. And I would bet serious money that said beard is going to bitch about it like there's no (man of) tomorrow.
 
 
matthew.
13:41 / 21.03.06
Here (via IMDB), Alan Moore says, "I want them to say, 'We're not going to give you any money for your work, you're not going to get any credit for it and we're not going to put your name on it.' To see a line of dialogue or a character that I have poured that much emotional involvement into, to see them casually travestied and watered down and distorted... it's kind of painful. It's much better just to avoid them altogether."

This makes me wonder if there could ever be a movie adaptation that lives up to Moore's expectations. He has emotionally invested so much into own work that perhaps he cannot see even produced by quality film makers. Any film adaptation will be "distorted," it seems to Moore.

While he does have a point that film is a very different medium, he doesn't see that any film translation will be exactly that, a translation, not an exact duplicate of the original work. There has to be changes in the work thanks to the practical and technical aspects of film.

In my opinion, if a film project stayed close to the source material, it could work. (I have not seen V, yet) I think this because Moore has a very specific grasp of motion and flow in his comics. His characters flow from one panel to another without problem. Unlike Bendis who has very little movement at all in conversations.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:18 / 21.03.06
My screenplay adaptation of "VIOLATOR/BADROCK" is still a work-in-progress, but I believe I've handled the characters in a way that the Bearded Bard will endorse.
 
 
matthew.
14:57 / 21.03.06
I thought you were going to do the Spawn/Wild C.A.T.S. adaptation.
 
 
Slim
15:17 / 21.03.06
This makes me wonder if there could ever be a movie adaptation that lives up to Moore's expectations. He has emotionally invested so much into own work that perhaps he cannot see even produced by quality film makers. Any film adaptation will be "distorted," it seems to Moore.

While he does have a point that film is a very different medium, he doesn't see that any film translation will be exactly that, a translation, not an exact duplicate of the original work. There has to be changes in the work thanks to the practical and technical aspects of film.


I read a recent interview with Moore where he states his strong dislike of movie adaptations. In his mind, the reader's interaction with a comic (ability for self-pacing, attention to details, etc.) makes it superior to a movie in terms of a writer getting his point across. I think that Moore understands that a movie is a translation, and that's the point- he doesn't want his work translated. In his mind, it speaks for itself.
 
 
This Sunday
17:15 / 21.03.06
I think a big part of Moore's problem with these adaptations is that, one and all, they've missed the central concerns and/or points of the original works. 'V for Vendetta' for example, has been, it is said, transfigured into an argument for democracy's superiority to fascism. Which, (a) presumes there's a difference between this great big body of people demanding one thing, and this othre great big body of people demanding one thing out of a sense of loyalty, unity, and paranoia, and (b) has really close to nothing in common with the general concerns and movement of the comic.
'From Hell' was an interesting film on its own, I suppose, but it was a murder mystery Depp-as-drunken-dandy-boy thing, and the comic was very clearly not. Well, mystery, I'll give, but not that sort of mystery.
And the 'League...' adaptation? Would anyone try to defend that at this point? Didn't Sean Connery punch the director over that thing? Let's let Moore have a few rounds of foot-stomping and badmouthing in a spread in a major paper or seven. He's earned it, and they've earned it pissing on the material while claiming how beloved and respected et al, it all is.
I'm fully prepared for any non-Gilliam director doing 'Watchmen' to start putting the 'The...' in front of the title in every interview, muddling up the names and such, while in production. All the while claiming to adore Moore's work, that Moore adores the film and its director, producer, and the third camera operator from the right in scene thirty-six. With Tom Sawyer and more contrail-kniving.

Somehow, I seriously doubt Moore would care as much about some paying-the-bills cross-over he penned for the Liefield Corporation du jour.
 
  

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