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Triplets
14:09 / 08.11.05
Recently I've been reading some stuff about Marvel Boy (and the Manhattan Guardian and Mister Miracle) and how they owe a lot to Kirby's early work.

Can anyone recommend some of their favourite comics by Kirby (trade paperback preferred) especially ones that seem to capture that mad krackle of Infoids Arriving From Fictionverse 10.

What to get? What to avoid? I'm thinking starting off with some Essential Fantastic Four but I'm not interested in one publisher, so any New Gods/DC/independant comics would be ace.
 
 
Axolotl
14:37 / 08.11.05
You really can't go wrong with any of the Essentials series, you get a lot of bang for your buck, and some of Kirby's best work.
Fantastic 4 Vol 3 is probably the best of the FF volumes, plus it features Galactus, the big old purple planet eater that he is. The Captain America one is pretty good as well if I recall correctly
However I would temper this advice with the provisio that I am not really familiar with Kirby's DC work (and have a hefty Marvel bias, at least for that era).
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
14:45 / 08.11.05
Jack Kirby's Jimmy Olsen TPB



It has basically two stories in here.

The first one is about Jimmy Olsen, Superman and the Newsboy Legion going to some island inhabited by a lot of made up subcultures, including The Hairies, who are a bunch of techno savy dirty hippies who live inside a giant underground train called The Mountain of Judgment. And they fight off Darkseid's first attack on Earth. Darkseid himself doesn't show up much, though. Flippa Dippa alone makes this story worth it.

The second story is... it's just weird. It somehow involves Don Rickles, and some guy who looks a lot like Don Rickles and dresses like a superhero.

 
 
This Sunday
14:52 / 08.11.05
Actually all the Kirby Fourth World series are top and wonderful... and each offer a different angle on the same themes and in many cases, events. 'Mister Miracle' is my favorite out of those, but 'The New Legends of Angry Thor and His Pal, Lightbulb Jesus and Their Mob' AKA 'New Gods' and the cosmic hippies of 'The Forever People' are also pretty excellent.
From the Marvel era his FF is just spectacular, though there's a lull in the second big B&W trade, with the third being all over ace, from the Inhumans to Galactus, Black Panther kicking the shit out of the FF and being beat by a powerless and perpetually sleepy Indian, and everybody boiled down to these indelibly sexy and elemental portrayals.
I like the conceptual side of Jack Kirby's 'Captain America' where he applied this mentality of: look at random group on the street and think *If I were Cap, how would I beat them all up, efficiently and as fast as possible?* The execution... I'm just not much for Cappy Americana.
'Kamandi' and 'The Demon' and that era have their fans, but he seems, by that time, to have given up on the more serious or useful underpinnings that 'New Gods' or even 'Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen' had. There's a back-up piece in 'Jimmy...' about the government-regulating clone culture of The Hairies, where he talks about not fighting anything, but letting the other side fight and establish their boundaries and you (as metaphored by The Hairies) just doing your own thing, being peaceful and doing what's going to benefit everyone the most and get things moving... essentially, he's laying out the core ideologies of 'The Invisibles' for eight year olds. Which is utterly lovely.
If you don't like Kirby's 'word jazz' stylings of dialogue, pick up something he did with someone else, but personally, I find when it was almost entirely the Jack Kirby show... that's where the gold became uber-gold, rhinegold or whatever.
The thing to bear in mind is that (a) the material is almost always written for fairly young children, and so everything is interpretted through that particular lens of focus and attention, and (b) there's still something of that young child in all of us and it's probably tapping something mythic in that sense. Very primal, iconic - and those are terms that get tossed around so much in comics and mean nothing usually, but with Kirby... He's doing ideas with legs and faces, more often than *people* with legs and faces. Some of us think we're all doing 'ideas with legs' though.
 
 
Mario
15:23 / 08.11.05
Pretty much all of it, with the exception of his Pacific comics stuff, which came off a bit tired.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
17:12 / 08.11.05
But that song bit from Silver Star is truly bizarre!!

And the first issue of Destroyer Duck NEEDS to be in everyone's collection.
 
 
Mark Parsons
18:12 / 08.11.05
My all time fave (FF and THOR aside) is THE ETERNALS. I'm v happy it's getting HC reprinted this summer!

Also MACHINE MAN and some of the 2001 issues.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
20:10 / 08.11.05
I'd say, if you can find the two trade paperbacks that reprinted his work on the 40's Captain America, that would be the best place to start. Then, follow it up with the "Marvel Essentials" that reprint his Marvel super-hero work, and you'll have a good grounding in his stuff.

The problem with Kirby reprints is that they focus almost exclusively on his super-hero stuff, when he worked in almost every genre. There was a collection of some of his romance stories from the 40's and 50's that came out in th 80's that showed how well he could do with non-action stories, and some of the art was head and shoulders above his other 40's work.

Marvel is also going to reprint some of his "Big Monster" work in the next few months, and while it's dated, it's much better than his early work on the Hero books for storytelling and art...but what do I know, I'm still waiting for a collection of all of his Rawhide Kid stories.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
20:42 / 08.11.05
Ever read the DC reprints of Black Magic?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
21:33 / 08.11.05
I did...his horror stuff was REALLY good especially the stuff he and Simon did for the company they owned, but they are almost impossible to find now. There were a couple of other books that came out that reprinted other books in that line: Boy's Ranch and Fighting American, but I think they will also be hard to find, since they went out of print about 10 years ago.

Marvel used to be horrible about keeping their books in print.

I also don't understand why "The New Gods" gets the cheap paperback format and Kamandi and Challengers of the Unknown gets the Archive treatment...
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
11:19 / 09.11.05
Can't figure that out either (the reprint quality issue).

The Fighting American and Boy's Ranch pop up very cheap on bookifinder.com now and again and are absolutely incredible. Simon and Kirby are reknowned for Boy's Ranch and after reading it I can see why.

One of my favorite moments in Fighting American is this Chico Marx-like native boy in the jungle with his pet tiget 'pastrami' who thinks in idiograms the boy can see. I'll scan it in some time. Fighting American was a Captain America clone but it allowed Simon and Kirby to do bigger and better stories than they were allowed to at Marvel for whatever reason.
 
 
Mario
11:45 / 09.11.05
I have heard rumors recently that the Kirby 4th World books are getting the DC Archives treatment. No verification, tho
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
14:57 / 09.12.05

Jack's stuff looks shite in black and white, anyone know if there's anywhere we see the Fourth World in colour?
 
 
This Sunday
00:52 / 10.12.05
Individual issues were, of course, in color. There's torrents and limewire and such. Memory tells me there's a non-english tpb from somewhere I don't have a name for, but with most Kirby stuff, you can probably pretty much figure it out without the dialogue.
 
 
Billuccho!
03:14 / 10.12.05
The Fourth World stuff was great, but I've got a huge soft spot for OMAC, which was so ahead of its time it was obviously doomed. Of course, it's impossible to find, unless you snatch a torrent.
 
 
Mark Parsons
04:36 / 10.12.05
The Fourth World New Gods issues were reprinted in the early 1980s in long page count Baxter-paper format. I think Kirby provided an "open ending" to the unfinished saga, but then revised it with the HUNGER DOGS OGN, which was patchy in places, but hey, it's KIRBY. \

And DESTROYER DUCK, written by Steve Gerber, is pretty cool satire, especially if you dig/dug HOWARD THE DUCK.
 
  
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