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Bump!

 
 
Loomis
13:19 / 08.11.05
I was just trawling through some old threads in Books, looking to see if the one I’m about to start had been done before, and discovered some interesting ones that could do with another round of discussion. Since we’ve been talking about injecting new life into the place, maybe there are some older threads you can think of that could entice a few lurkers into the open.

So … which threads are you going to bump today?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:52 / 08.11.05
None, if the best contribution to the thread that I can personally muster is a content-free *bump*.

If I've actually got something to say on the subject, well... who knows?
 
 
Smoothly
14:00 / 08.11.05
I’ve been meaning to bump this thread for ages, in order to pick up on the Participatory Panopticon stuff Chill linked to. My thoughts refuse to marshal themselves into any sort of Head Shoppy shape, however. Damn cheap brain.
 
 
Loomis
14:10 / 08.11.05
Well Jack, if you're implying that you only post to a thread when you have something of value to add, I think you've just given the lie to that.

A lot of Barbelith's value is in reading threads as well as posting to them. The very reason some good threads sink beyond recall is because no one has anything to add to them at the moment. That doesn't mean that years later it isn't a good idea to bring them into view so that people can read them and maybe add more content, even if the person raising the thread from the depths doesn't have anything to add themselves.

Do you know a way to bring a thread to the top of a forum without posting anything in it?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:12 / 08.11.05
Well Jack, if you're implying that you only post to a thread when you have something of value to add, I think you've just given the lie to that.

I found Jack's contribution to this thread very necessary - indeed, pretty much the one thing that needed to be said on the subject.
 
 
Loomis
14:15 / 08.11.05
pretty much the one thing that needed to be said on the subject.

Which would make your comment unnecessary?
 
 
Jack Fear
14:16 / 08.11.05
Petey understands.

We are like twins.



Twins.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:15 / 08.11.05
For the record, Loomis, I agree with you that "a lot of Barbelith's value is in reading threads as well as posting to them." I trawl the back pages quite a bit myself, and make ample use of "site:www.barbelith.com" searches on Google, searching for some half-remembered comment or conversation.

Where we disagree, I think, is whether a context- and content-free *bump* adds to the overall ongoing conversation of the board, inspires people to re-read, or indeed does anything but use bandwidth. You think it does: I think it don't.

What does work, I think, is linking to older threads in the context of the current discussion, as I've done here (and, to get all meta for a moment, also done here, in this very post). Myself, I do this all the time

We all of us, in an information-soaked society, suffer from data overload. This is a big board: there's a lot to read. Bumping threads for its own sake does not make for a comfortable entree to our "back catalogue". If anything, it simply adds to the newcomer's confusion. Better by far, I think, to give people links to threads they can use, when they can use them.

Also, I think that cross-linking between current and older threads emphasizes that this board is a community. There's a continuity, and no conversation exists in a vacuum; Indeed, all conversations are, in a way, part of a single large conversation.

Messages reading "*bump*"? Not so much.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:22 / 08.11.05
I am going to find some of those threads that started out with a harmless, even promising opening few posts, and then degenerated into bitter infighting. The fifteen-page ones. The ones with all the big gaps where people deleted their text in disgust. The ones that left a taste in the mouth as nasty as rancid aerosol cream. At least a dozen or so.

*bump*
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:26 / 08.11.05
Well they're definitely the most fun to read...
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
20:11 / 08.11.05
Hell, they're fun to make. It's like a group of people got together, each adding something ugly or sinful, and created a tumorous, evil thing that pulsates pure wickedness and regret, scarring all who gaze upon it's horrid countenance. Lots o' laughs, I tell ya.
 
 
Chiropteran
01:55 / 09.11.05
*bump*
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:49 / 09.11.05
After reading Jack's post, I'm thinking maybe it's time for another round of "Barbe-Classics" threads?
 
 
Jack Fear
09:35 / 09.11.05
I think you mean "...another round of Barbe-Classics threads".

See? It's dead easy.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:39 / 09.11.05
Damn you, Jack, always one step ahead...

Although yes, you;re right.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:02 / 09.11.05
*bump*
 
 
Jack Fear
10:41 / 09.11.05
*stab*
 
 
Char Aina
11:12 / 09.11.05
i'd just like to add that, although i have nothing to add, my contribution is as valid as anyone else's.

especially jack's.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
11:19 / 09.11.05
*pumb*
 
 
Jack Fear
11:29 / 09.11.05
 
 
Char Aina
11:37 / 09.11.05
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
11:54 / 09.11.05


 
 
Char Aina
12:04 / 09.11.05
well, ah guess ah'd bittur cross a border now, huh?
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
12:12 / 09.11.05
just stumbled in here.

[looks round]

*trip*

Who left the light off?
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
12:12 / 09.11.05


 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:14 / 09.11.05
*bump*

*grind*

*wind up me waist*
 
 
Mon Oncle Ignatius
12:16 / 09.11.05
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
12:28 / 09.11.05
slippery Bastard

 
 
Quantum
14:43 / 09.11.05
*bum...
oh wait, this is the Random Picture Free Association thread, 'scuse me.
 
 
Char Aina
14:48 / 09.11.05
well, it was a conversation.
in pictures.

was that so wrong?
was it?
well?
hm?

do you think?
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
14:53 / 09.11.05

*
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Loomis
08:02 / 10.11.05
Jeez, I lose internet access for a day and look what happens when I return. Is it time to start quoting Morrissey yet?

Jack:

Bumping threads for its own sake does not make for a comfortable entree to our "back catalogue". If anything, it simply adds to the newcomer's confusion. Better by far, I think, to give people links to threads they can use, when they can use them.

All your suggestions of ways to bring old threads to the attention of others are perfectly valid, but it isn't an exhaustive list, and it makes assumptions that everyone uses the board in a particular way.

You're relying on people reading the threads in which you link to the older ones, which rules out a lot of people, particularly in convo where a thread can sink pretty fast. Whereas the way I see it, if a newish member is checking the books forum and sees a couple of threads at the top that they haven't seen before, they open them, read through and hopefully enjoy them, then at the very end they come across a post by Loomis reading "bump". Is that really going to spoil their enjoyment? Or do you think they would be reading the thread from the end first?

I could have posted something like "Am bumping this thread because it's been a while and I thought some newer posters might enjoy it and have something to add" but that's hardly any different.

Furthermore, sometimes an act of speech or communication can have the single purpose of continuing a conversation, like a nod or an "uh-huh". Or do you always converse in complete paragraphs? Obviously Barbelith isn't a conversation down the pub and posts tend to be more complete than in a real life conversation but still, one post of questionable merit that enables others to continue a worthwhile conversation has more than served its purpose.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:07 / 10.11.05
Jeez, I lose internet access for a day and look what happens when I return. Is it time to start quoting Morrissey yet?

I thought toksik was...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:12 / 10.11.05
m... pub.
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
08:40 / 10.11.05
This thread is clearly about interactive forum management and clearly belongs in Policy.

Please could a moderator move it.

Now

Now dammit now

Why must you all taunt me

Gaaahhh, all teh mods hate me. i;m going to bump ancient threads with angsty poetry until this one disappears off the screen.
 
  
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