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What is the best sitcom ever?

 
 
matthew.
13:48 / 02.11.05
Television critics will say that I Love Lucy is the greatest sitcom ever because of its innovation, because it's iconic.

The BBC says it's Only Fools and Horses in a poll in 2004 searching for "Britain's Best Sitcom". In a poll conducted in 2000 searching for "100 Greatest British Television Programmes" (which polled "industry professionals" et al.) it was Fawlty Towers.

My personal vote for best sitcom ever is somewhat controversial among my friends, when I bring it up. Before I say it, let me first say why it's the best sitcom ever.

It was moderately experimental. It's major theme about the mundane details of our lives was high concept in the fact that it was extremely low concept.

It was self-aware. Numerous story arcs mentioned the high concept of the mundanity of our lives.

It was also experimental in the fact that some self-contained episodes were literally self-contained in setting and in theme.

Each episode was self-contained in plot, but later episodes worked off jokes set up years before. One had to have a knowledge of the history of the characters to fully appreciate every joke.

The secondary cast was unparalleled in comedic talent. Some of the greatest comics worked on this show. The cast was large, and yet, each character was individual and nuanced and iconic themselves.

The finale had the balls to be different. Even today, most people don't get the ending.

And finally, it was funny. It created its own language that still infiltrates daily life, even after the show's ending.

What is it?
Seinfeld.

I know this is controversial. People either love Seinfeld, or hate it with passion. I find that the reason for their hatred is the same reason why I love it. The show's about nothing. How brilliant is that? (Of course, one could argue that the show is about everything. Or one could argue that every sitcom is about nothing - just look at Friends)

Other sitcoms that deserve my love:
Black Adder
Fawlty Towers
Arrested Development (but it's still on, so it's status is still fluid)
Roseanne - let me explain a little. This show was also experimental in the fact that when the show came about, it was about lower-class people. At the time, the Huxtables and their wealth was all over the scene. This sitcom was also self-aware. When one actress left, they replaced her with another, and then made the audience aware of it by referencing Bewitched and its multiple Darrens. And, believe it or not, the show was funny. Especially, John Goodman.

More nominations:
Bob Newhart Show and Newhart.
Are You Being Served?
Mister Bean
M*A*S*H* - although I really disliked the ending.

What does everybody else think?
 
 
Aertho
14:18 / 02.11.05
No Cheers?
 
 
adamswish
14:21 / 02.11.05
Some interesting choices Matt. I have to admit I never got into Seinfield. Mainly because I found the whole "it's a sitcom about a stand-up comedian trying to write a sitcom and stars a stand-up comedian" a bit to knowingly chic and post-modern for my tastes.

My all time favourite sitcom has to be Drop The Dead Donkey (and you have no idea how happy I was when they started doing the DVD of each series). Although having said that the writers really upset me with the ending they gave George at the end of the sixth series.

And actually isn't that typical of great sitcoms. Their endings are so messed up. I have to admit I never saw the ending of M*A*S*H, but the episodes of Only Fools and Horses after they got rich and the last Roseanne (the daughters were actually with each others partners in "real life", Dan hadn't survived his heart attack and we had been watching a version Roseanne [the character] had written) were bad and killed the good feelings I had for these series.

Others I love:
The Young Ones
New Statesman
Bottom (anyone seeing a pattern here)
Blackadder (and anyone heard when and if the fifth series set in the 1960's is being done?)
Citizen Smith
Porridge
Open all Hours
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
14:46 / 02.11.05
SORRY feat weddingxbrunt
 
 
matthew.
14:56 / 02.11.05
Oops, I forgot The Young Ones. Classic, I tells ya.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
15:22 / 02.11.05
No Spaced?

(I'm just watching New Staresman now, very good)

And I'd add Father Ted.

Cheers and most sitcoms fill me with bad memories so I can't nominate them so I guess I'm obviously not really authorized to vote on the poll.
 
 
MrKismet
15:37 / 02.11.05
I'll go with

The Phil Silvers Show, aka You'll Never Get Rich/Sgt. Bilko
Seinfeld
Arrested Development
NewsRadio
Cheers
Frasier
M*A*S*H (First three seasons, with Honorable Mention for Seasons Four & Five -- the final Larry Linville Years)
The Andy Griffith Show (First five b&w/Don Knotts seasons)
Fawlty Towers
BlackAdder

Also worth noting are Buffalo Bill, He & She, Car 54, Where Are You?.
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
15:54 / 02.11.05
Nathan Barley everytime.
 
 
Aertho
16:06 / 02.11.05
I only suggested Cheers cause it seemed to fit the pattern.

Seinfeld will win.
 
 
Seth
16:17 / 02.11.05
No Simpsons? Even though it's gone very downhill, it's glory days were blinding.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:37 / 02.11.05
I'd say the hugely underrated and now largely forgotten Bakersfield PD. Anyone who's seen the episode featuring Joe Santos, Friend Of Jim Rockford, will know what I mean. Or the one where the President's "visiting". May not technically be the best (for which I'd probably say, being a lover of farce, Fawlty Towers or selected episodes of Frazier), I can't think of a sitcom that ever made me laugh more, or more rewarded repeat viewing.

I love Spaced, but I'm not sure if it's not a little too "of its time". I'd have to wait a few years to answer that one.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
16:38 / 02.11.05
I've only seen a handful of (downloaded) episodes, but Curb Your Enthusiasm is fast making its way to the top of my list. How to describe/critique it? The writing, the writing is sheer genius (Sorry, I'll try and add more later, once I've actually got got time and seen enough episodes to make a decent analysis of the program -- I just thought it was worth a mention).
 
 
All Acting Regiment
18:15 / 02.11.05
I second the Simpsons and The Young Ones, and also:



Evidence
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
18:46 / 02.11.05
I have a terrible fondness for incredibly ubiquitous sitcoms of somewhat middling quality.

I also think That 70's Show is great.



Yay!
 
 
This Sunday
20:57 / 02.11.05
I have irrational and immutable love for:
'Black Books', Urusei Yatsura', and 'The Dick Van Dyke Show', all three of which I have not seen in an age. Oh, and 'The Addams Family', too.

I may watch (and later quote out of context) 'The Simpsons' or 'Fraiser', 'Will & Grace', 'I Love Lucy', whatever, if it comes on and I randomly fall to that channel - which is rare, because I (a) don't watch a lot of TV that isn't simply being pumped from a DVD/VHS playing machine into the glass teat, and (b) I can't maintain a TV-watching schedule for longer than two weeks, where you watch a program when it comes on because it does so regularly - but, I adore episodes and won't sit through, say, just any episode, especially if I've seen it too many times before.
 
 
PatrickMM
01:14 / 03.11.05
Where's The Office at? I'm hoping people left it off because they don't consider it a sitcom. If you do it's easily the best ever made. It's the funniest show I've ever seen, but it's also incredibly sad. The characters are so real, and you really feel for them. And I love the way it can gracefully move from hilarious broad comedy to really poignant moments. I'd consider it a perfect show.

As for other sitcoms, I'd second Arrested Development and Seinfeld. I've seen every episode of Seinfeld a bunch of times, but every once in a while I'll be watching one and it will just completely surprise me with how sharp and funny it is.
 
 
matthew.
02:24 / 03.11.05
I don't think I'd nominate Simpsons just because it's animated. But if we say it's a sitcom, it's one of the best.

I haven't seen any Spaced but I want to. Badly.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:34 / 03.11.05
This is one of the tragedies of the Giant Of Sitcom that was Michael J. Fox (Greatest Sitcom Actor Ever TM) - while Family Ties was good, and Spin City slightly better, he was a master who never left us a masterpiece. Sigh.

Here's to Foxy! (clink)

My favourite sitcom ever is Spaced... but best ever? I'd say Frasier is right up there is the top three, as is Scrubs.
 
 
paranoidwriter waves hello
14:25 / 03.11.05
[Threadrot: Jack, you had me going then, as your use of the past tense made me think that Michael J Fox had died(I have a soft spot for the little fella), and I had to do a Google search to check he was still alive. Phew!]
 
 
Shrug
14:34 / 03.11.05
I quite liked 15 Storeys High, Peep Show, Green Wing.

Although I haven't seen any of them for quite a while...
I very much hope all will be returning, does anybody know their fates?

As regards favourites probably one of them.
although I very much like Are you Being Served and Family Guy aswell.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
16:24 / 03.11.05
Can't deny that Family Guy is a sitcom, but I wouldn't put it anywhere near the best. Leaving aside potential issues with subject matter, it's a bit of a one-trick horse, isn't it, with the flashbacks and all? Sure a lot of them are funny (I have lots of respect for a show that's willing and able to have the titular character spend two and a half minutes fighting a giant chicken), but I've completely lost interest since the new season because it doesn't seem to be doing anything new at all. It frequently seems to be trying too hard- like it's saying 'LOOK AT THIS ENVELOPE HERE? WATCH US PUSH IT!'. I'm also finding that I appreciate it a whole lot less when I'm not in a certain environment, namely in a dorm room surrounded by a lot of guys around aged 18-20.
 
 
grant
16:45 / 03.11.05
I'm not that invested in sitcoms, but I do have to shout out to the last episode of Newhart.

OK, this was a show in the late 80s, a kind of career revival for Bob Newhart in which he played the owner of an inn in Vermont. It was a pretty funny show, but a little less of a breakthrough must-see thing than his old show, The Bob Newhart Show, from the late 60s/70s.

Last episode of Newhart has Bob waking up in a cold sweat, talking about this intensely weird dream he had about running an inn in Vermont. His wife rolls over, and...what? It's Suzanne Pleshette, his wife from The Bob Newhart Show. I love that.

This was a few years before Seinfeld got all meta (I don't see that as a controversial choice, by the way -- it's one of the most popular shows of all time). It might be the first time I saw retconning take place in a TV series (although Dallas was widely derided for doing the same thing with an entire season a few years earlier).
 
 
MrKismet
17:50 / 03.11.05
<< I'd say the hugely underrated and now largely forgotten Bakersfield PD. >>

Had completely blanked on this underrated, wonderful show. I have hopes that, with the prevalence of one-season wonders now being released on DVD (Buffalo Bill, Harts of the West), that Bakersfield P.D. will soon be among them.

(Those who purchase the new Buffalo Bill DVD beware: the brilliant sequence featuring Ray Charles' "Hit the Road, Jack" is missing -- aparently the rights ran out. Good thing I taped that episode.)
 
 
matthew.
20:59 / 03.11.05
grant - I definitely suggested Newhart et al because of its meta. That ending, right there, is one of the reason why I love television - to alternatively portray reality and then deny reality altogether. It's a nice dichtomy.

On another note,
I'm taking this course right now that explores the fundamental root causes of current American literature/pop culture, and it's very fascinating. A good chunk of current American thought comes from Jonathan Edwards, a philosopher well liked in Europe, but forgotten now. It all comes from this Puritan idea that's twofold: 1)constant fear and 2)constant search for perfection. This Puritan idea gave rise to all sorts of conventions, but most notably, the American Gothic tradition, or modern horror. As perfectly enunciated by grant here, the horror genre is characterized by a foreign element that disrupts the balance. According to philosopher Jonathan Edwards, conflict is the essence of human spirit. We search for resolution to the eternal conflict represented by God versus Satan (whom the Puritans thought very real), and this resolution is order and balance to something unbalanced (whether it be our relationships, or a talking raven).

What's my point? A lot of American sitcoms are based on a very altered version of this. For example, most American sitcom have this: balance at the beginning, then something alters the balance (character's schemes, a guest star, whatever) and the resolution of the episode involves the restoration of balance, but this balance is going to be completely thrown off by next episode, as Edwards would agree because conflict (the big, general one) is never fully resolved.

One could easily argue all literature/art is based on this idea. I'm just providing a link between Puritanism, the Enlightenment, and early American philosophy (of pragmatism) and twentieth century American culture.

It's just food for thought.
 
 
TeN
23:20 / 03.11.05
does The Office count as a sitcom? because I love that show to little bits. the best British comedy show since Monty Python imo.

I'd also have to agree with Seinfeld, although the canned laughter, etc. make it a little too tacky at points. Larry David's new show, Curb Your Enthusiasm is in a similar vein of comedy, although without all the trappings of the traditional comedy that hindered Seinfeld. Ricky Gervais's new show, Extras is pretty damn hillarious. It kind of puts a twist on the sitcom label though, being that every week's episode takes place on a different film set. And yes, I know it's a bit early to make it a contender, but it has promise that's for sure.
 
 
TeN
23:31 / 03.11.05
oops, missed the previous comment on the Office. (I should really read these threads in their entirety before posting in them, shouldn't I?)

I agree to the letter with everything PatrickMM said. the show has this way of carefully balancing the humor with the poignancy, and making that balance very precarious and awkward. there are times where you laugh at these characters, and there are other times where you literally feel embaressed for them. and god, THE CHARACTERS! sooooooooo good! all of them are so well written, so well acted. they're absolutely perfect in every way. they're real and consistent and funny and heartbreaking.
I think it was a brilliant move on Gervais's part to stop the show after two seasons, as well - quit while you're ahead, don't wait for it to jump the shark. and the Christmas special: it tied everything together so absolutely perfectly. the scene where dawn unwraps tim's gift actually brought a tear to my eye... and the final scene, with the group photo, when david says "wait, no, take it again" - perfect! i laughed so hard, and shouted out loud "fucking brilliant" in my living room, alone. such a perfect synopsis of his character, all in one line, and a perfect, dare I say the only, way to end the series
 
  
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