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De Selby
07:03 / 01.11.05
As someone who has lived in Australia most of my life, and watches far too many movies, I've never been proud of our cinematic releases. They always seem to be pretty average at best, and not very consistant at all. There seems to be a feeling that Australian cinema is pretty much dying a slow and fucking painful death.

And now, for the first time I've seen three Australian movies in a row, and thoroughly enjoyed each of them!

The films were:

  • The Proposition

  • The Magician

  • Wolf Creek


  • They're all quite edgy, forward-thinking movies. Pretty much evading the typical australian characters, or at least using them in unconventional ways. Also, there's something odd about these three films: they're all genre films. Australia is not known for releasing a lot of genre cinema, and these are all damn good films.

    So my question: What the hell is going on? Is there some sort of cultural renaissance? Am I being overly optimistic? Is this "...just a blip in an otherwise downward trajectory"?
     
     
    grant
    15:59 / 01.11.05
    How do they compare with Lantana? That was sort of a spookyish noir/crime genre thing, but felt different. I enjoyed it at the time, anyway.

    There was also the intensely odd (not a strange story, but a strange thing to make a story *about*) one I rented last year about the Japanese businessman touring around the outback with the lady who really doesn't want to be there, and then bad things happen. Bland name -- Japanese Tourist? Can't remember. It wasn't outre or fantastic, but one of the few films where I really didn't know what was going to happen next.

    I remember in the '80s thinking Bliss and... damn, I can't remember the other one... represented some kind of "weird conspiracy film from Down Under" movement, which I quite liked. The cancer map.
     
     
    De Selby
    22:52 / 01.11.05
    I haven't seen lantana actually. Like I said, I've been avoiding australian movies. I've always meant to see that one tho.... and interestingly, The Proposition has been called "... the best australian film since Lantana".

    The thing seems to be that there have been a few good films, but they're spread over decades! What kind of output is that? I guess the big question is why? It can't be budget restrictions.... heaps of countries have no-budget cinema and a steady flow of quality releases....
     
     
    matthew.
    01:27 / 02.11.05
    I loooooved Lantana. I didn't know it was "Australian". Sometimes I'm oblivious to that kind of thing.

    I liked *blushes* Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. It's just so fun and Guy Pearce is really hot. It's campy, harmless and has a decent soundtrack. I like it.

    Shine. What an incredible performance from Rush.

    And, of course, Romper Stomper. Another incredible performance.

    Sorry if my suggestions are somewhat mainstream, but where I live, imports come very rarely.
     
     
    Loomis
    07:25 / 02.11.05
    I liked Lantana but thought it was a bit over-rated. Some of the plot was stitched together a little hastily and there were iirc some BIG coincidences. What are the odds that you're going to walk into a pub in Sydney (pop: 3 million) and start up a conversation at a stranger at the bar who just happens to be the guy who's screwing your wife?

    Somersault was very good though. Quite intense, and I thought it captured the weirdness of Jindabyne. A mixture of tourists, locals and people running away from things, a weird mix.
     
     
    PatrickMM
    03:52 / 04.11.05
    I took a whole course on Australian film last year, with a focus on aboriginal representation, and my conclusion is most of those films aren't very good. The best one we watched was Walkabout, though I think Nic Roeg is British, so he might not even qualify as an Australian filmmaker. But the movie is set there, and it's a really solid film, perhaps a bit 70s, but well made and consistently engaging.
     
     
    STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
    06:30 / 04.11.05
    I'm looking forward to The Proposition, having been blown away by Hillcoat's earlier Ghosts Of The Civil Dead (another fantastic Australian movie, but be warned, it's not the most uplifting film you'll ever see).
     
     
    De Selby
    06:48 / 04.11.05
    I'm looking forward to The Proposition, having been blown away by Hillcoat's earlier Ghosts Of The Civil Dead (another fantastic Australian movie, but be warned, it's not the most uplifting film you'll ever see).

    Yeah don't expect much happiness in the Proposition either. But it is bloody, intense, and phwoar.... I loved it. I always thought nick cave didn't really have enough space to really get into the whole murder ballad thing in a song, so a movie seems perfect.

    Actually, come to think of it, none of these movies is uplifting at all!


    I think I'm definitely gonna have to see Lantana after everyone has given it positive comments.
     
     
    De Selby
    06:51 / 04.11.05
    I took a whole course on Australian film last year, with a focus on aboriginal representation, and my conclusion is most of those films aren't very good. The best one we watched was Walkabout, though I think Nic Roeg is British, so he might not even qualify as an Australian filmmaker. But the movie is set there, and it's a really solid film, perhaps a bit 70s, but well made and consistently engaging.

    Where did you do the course? Was it worthwhile anyway?

    Do you think the reason they aren't that great is that they're too hung up on defining a "dinkum" Australian character? (As if such a thing exists...)
     
     
    The Return Of Rothkoid
    01:12 / 07.11.05
    Not at all. I think the problem with Australian film is that there was a shining period in the '70s and '80s when we produced some great, weird stuff like Picnic At Hanging Rock or Don's Party (I choose to slide away from Stone). There was a feeling that that generation of filmmakers could produce anything, and I think the film industry is still looking over its shoulder at those days, wondering when it'll get great again.

    Funnily, I think there's some good commercial TV made, and some of the better directors - Rowan Woods, director of The Boys, which I believe is one of the greatest Australian movies ever made, for example - are honing their craft in that medium before making films. Perhaps the fact that one has to cram so much into a TV miniseries or episode or whatever helps you approach movies a bit more pragmatically? I don't know - but I think it's something that's worth looking into. Movie people look down on TV as a sort of low art, occasionally, but there is some rather nice work being done there, perhaps in an attempt to compete.

    (I must admit that the success of Baz Lurhmann is something that still chafes me and others here. Style over substance? You betcha.)

    Lantana was impractical, yeah - but aren't most movies filled with a bit of the impractical? Mostly - Mike Leigh or docudrama aside - they rely on something that probably wouldn't have happened in real life to get things rolling. I thought it was shot pretty well - though this could be because it was local - but also that the cast worked well together. It didn't bother me so much about the improbability. I knew it was improbable, but the performances and look won me over. Something that never happened with Police Rescue: The Movie.

    One thought, though, given that the initial post refers to the "edginess" of the three films mentioned. All Aussie film - like all UK film, or all US film - doesn't have to be hard-hitting or po-faced. What's wrong with not being thus? I thought Gettin' Square, Idiot Box, Muriel's Wedding and The Castle to be great, dumb comedies, which managed to insert some really pithy observations about local life. I don't see that the film industry has to release iterations on The Boys continually, but I do agree that we seem to make (or rather, to promote the shit out of) a lot of fairly average comedy.

    The film industry isn't dying a slow death really, but my partner's ex-workmates (she used to work at the Film Commission) are all lamenting the state of the business. Unless there's some sort of upswing in government interest in the arts - which doesn't seem likely - then there'll be less "Australian" films released, while O/S productions set up here in order to make films more cheaply. (Witness: that godawful Stealth.) I don't know - people have been forecasting doom and gloom since before the FTA went through, and maybe it's right that it'll be the last indignity for our local industry. But I certainly hope not.

    I think it is budget considerations, while also being coupled to the general Aussie "Aw, it's all right" habit of dumping on our own cultural achievements. People are still scrabbling around for funding, which generally is given to projects that'll guarantee some kind of return. Often, the concept of a film's worth in creative or cultural terms is left 'til the end in the calculations, sadly.

    We can, if pushed, produce greatness, but until you have a government that recognises that (or, alternately, attempts to stifle it), you're not going to get a great deal of effort put in. People are, indeed, keen to make good films, and there's lots of under the radar stuff that's worth looking at (like Jewboy, for example, a short film about a member of the Sydney Hassidim who wants to break out of his life), but there's a lot of pressure to produce another Lantana or Shine - something that'll play well overseas.

    Loomis: I thought Somersault was pissweak. It's very in keeping with the director's short films, visually, but the problem with it was that the script seemed underdone. I didn't buy Sam Worthington's character, as the conflict between he and his dad was left hanging, with no real exposition. Additionally, Abbie Cornish's character seemed to be completely neutral - there wasn't much that made me care for her, and though I logically could understand why she did some of the things she did, by the end of the movie, I just didn't care.

    In terms of evoking the feeling of a holiday town, it did well. It's just a shame I didn't believe any of the leads, except for Lynette Curran. (Mind you, she's always superb.)

    Maybe that explains, too, why a lot of Oz film is a bit lacking. Generally, I find that scripts could use more tightening, more work. Or that the cast could've rehearsed more to bring out their characters a bit more fully. I don't know if it's because we have perhaps a more approachable film culture. ("Hey! You got an idea? Great! Let's make it, maybe?") But I honestly think that a lot of films that're produced - particularly the comedies that're put together by bands of the usual suspects - don't get the sort of arsekicking that other film development processes hand out as standard.

    But hell, look at some of the TV that the ABC puts together. It's all a bit Arts Revue in terms of quality.

    Lots of Australian culture is interested in examining the concept of exactly what an Australian is, especially in the face of native/white culture interactions. But I don't think it's necessarily tied to the idea of what's "dinkum". If anything, there's a move away from that, as remember, our national identity was fairly cemented with Dame Edna, Les Patterson, Paul Hogan and Kylie Minogue - at least overseas. I guess we're trying to discover something more relevant, partially because of our increasing realisation that we're more of an Asian nation, not an English one, and partially because of the whole terrorism/national identity examinations going on around the world these days.

    That said, there is a certain stream of production that wants to play up that angle. I despair about that...

    There's a not-quite-breathing thread about The Proposition here.
     
     
    De Selby
    03:38 / 07.11.05
    One thought, though, given that the initial post refers to the "edginess" of the three films mentioned. All Aussie film - like all UK film, or all US film - doesn't have to be hard-hitting or po-faced. What's wrong with not being thus? I thought Gettin' Square, Idiot Box, Muriel's Wedding and The Castle to be great, dumb comedies, which managed to insert some really pithy observations about local life. I don't see that the film industry has to release iterations on The Boys continually, but I do agree that we seem to make (or rather, to promote the shit out of) a lot of fairly average comedy.

    I don't think that everything has to be edgy, but like you said there seems to be a shiteload of average comedy. Don't you get sick of seeing yet another average comedy by The Panel team?

    I wouldn't consider any of the films I mentioned... hehe... po-faced.

    Lots of Australian culture is interested in examining the concept of exactly what an Australian is, especially in the face of native/white culture interactions. But I don't think it's necessarily tied to the idea of what's "dinkum". If anything, there's a move away from that, as remember, our national identity was fairly cemented with Dame Edna, Les Patterson, Paul Hogan and Kylie Minogue - at least overseas. I guess we're trying to discover something more relevant, partially because of our increasing realisation that we're more of an Asian nation, not an English one, and partially because of the whole terrorism/national identity examinations going on around the world these days.

    hehe I only dropped "dinkum" in there as punctuation.

    I guess the thing that yanks my chain, is that there aren't many OUTSTANDING films. Just a lot of piss-weak average films.

    Having said that, have you seen the other two films I mentioned?
     
     
    angel
    10:21 / 07.11.05
    I really enjoyed "The Dish" which starred Sam Neil. It was about the involvement of Australia in the radio contact/transmission of the first Lunar landing in 1969.

    It was a quiet and gentle film, but I really enjoyed it because of that, and it's familiar territory for me as two family members have worked for the ANU (Australian National University) Astronomy Department at Mount Stromlo Observatory. I'm not entirely sure why, but the film has touched me in a way that means that I just can't quite get it out of my head.
     
     
    The Return Of Rothkoid
    10:40 / 07.11.05
    (Hello angel! Howdo?)

    Alex: I haven't yet seen the other two you mention, purely as I haven't had a chance to get to the cinemas yet! I'm a bit querulous about John Jarratt as a baddie, as I have a horrible preconception about him. I just can't stop thinking of him as a crap handyman alcoholic who was married to Noni Hazlehurst. Still, I'll give it a go. Ditto The Magician.

    I do share your despair, as I've mentioned, at the way that half-baked seems to be good enough for a lot of filmmakers. I think that if there was a bit more rigour, it'd increase our film industry's success rate no end. There's a place for the handmade touch in films, and I think it's a real hallmark of many good Aussie films - you can feel the prints of the people who made it - but it can't be left in at the expense of professionalism.

    The Panel team were precisely the sort of "approval granted on participants" team that I really, REALLY think should be forbidden from making films for a good five years. Yeah, bankroll other people's stuff, provide some support, but fuck's sake, stay out of the way of the camera. Likewise, anything new starring Mick Molloy or Judith Lucy should be consigned to the acid bath without delay - Bad Eggs was undoubtedly one of the worst things I've ever seen, and smelled as the title implies.
     
     
    Regrettable Juvenilia
    11:01 / 07.11.05
    There was also the intensely odd (not a strange story, but a strange thing to make a story *about*) one I rented last year about the Japanese businessman touring around the outback with the lady who really doesn't want to be there, and then bad things happen. Bland name -- Japanese Tourist? Can't remember. It wasn't outre or fantastic, but one of the few films where I really didn't know what was going to happen next.

    Japanese Story.
     
     
    D Terminator XXXIII
    15:18 / 07.11.05
    The hype around Wolf Creek has gotten to me, but as of now I know nothing about its release, DVD status or anything else.

    Someone in the know?
     
     
    PatrickMM
    17:28 / 07.11.05
    Where did you do the course? Was it worthwhile anyway?

    At Wesleyan, I'm majoring in film and this was one of the only courses I could get into that semester, so I took it. I wasn't a big fan of the course because the films weren't that good, and the teaching wasn't particularly good either. But part of the reason I didn't like it was because it was more about using films to examine Australian culture than actually looking at the films themselves.

    The main reason I took it was because I took a course of German cinema the semester before and that was amazing. It was focused on the 70s, and nearly every film was great, so I thought Australia might be able to repeat.

    Do you think the reason they aren't that great is that they're too hung up on defining a "dinkum" Australian character? (As if such a thing exists...)

    The major thing that bothered me was, at least in the films we watched, the themes were exactly the same. There were a small number of character archetypes and they would just be mixed in in some way. You've got the racist white character who wants to 'civilize' the aboriginals, you've got the understanding white character, the aboriginal who believes in the traditional ways and the aboriginal who wants to move into white society. So, all the films ended up feeling very samey, watching one would be okay, but by the twelfth film about racial conflict, it just got boring.
     
     
    D Terminator XXXIII
    17:45 / 07.11.05
    Never mind.
     
     
    grant
    19:31 / 07.11.05
    The Dish! I remember that movie!

    It'd make a great double feature with The Right Stuff.

    Or with The Year My Voice Broke.

    What is it with Australian movies about the early 60s?
     
     
    GogMickGog
    20:00 / 07.11.05
    No mention so far of the eternally wonderful Barry Mckenzie.

    Shame.

    Shame on you all.
     
     
    The Return Of Rothkoid
    01:46 / 08.11.05
    Jesus, don't start. You'll be bringing up Alvin Purple next.
     
     
    Loomis
    08:09 / 08.11.05
    The Panel team were precisely the sort of "approval granted on participants" team that I really, REALLY think should be forbidden from making films for a good five years.

    Why? You said that you liked the Castle. What about The Dish? I thought that was excellent.
     
     
    The Return Of Rothkoid
    02:52 / 09.11.05
    Seriously, until you've seen Bad Eggs, you should hold fire on the criticism of that theory. There's a thought that because it has Mick Molloy in it, any comedy movie will be great, and it just ain't the case. Gettin' Square was the last local comedy I dug, to be honest, and that's largely due to David Wenham's turn as a smackie.

    The Dish was OK, but played up the notion of Australians as half-arsed, which isn't exactly something that needs to be perpetuated. 'Cause, you know, it's horseshit.
     
     
    Loomis
    08:06 / 09.11.05
    After the D-Gen there was a pretty noticeable split between those who went on to make The Panel, The Castle and The Dish (Rob Sitch, Santo Cilauro, Jane Kennedy, Tom Gleisner) and Mick Molly/Tony Martin/Judith Lucy who went on to make a load of shite. Bad Eggs (written and directed by Tony Martin) has nothing to do with the Panel team as far as I can see.

    As for the Dish, I've heard that criticism but I don't think it's valid. If the characters in Parkes were portrayed as a little slow, I think it's more to do with living in a remote country town rather than being Australian. If it was set in any other country, the residents of a similar town would be portrayed in a similar manner. I see it more as a story about residents of a small town being thrust into the international limelight than a story about backward Australians succeeding despite idiocy (or pulling a Homer).
     
     
    The Strobe
    11:14 / 09.11.05
    Another vote for Lantana, definitely; I appreciate it being a bit "theatrical", but that's partly why I liked it: the tight, dense construction/cast lends itself to a more play-like direction. Nice to hear Anthony LaPaglia's natural accent, too, and I found Geoffrey Rush really quite interesting in it.

    Rothkoid described Muriel's Wedding in a list of "big, dumb comedies", but I actually would own up to a) really liking it and b) thinking it's more than that. There's a lot of melancholy in it, and it doesn't try and resolve its loose ends. The scene in which Rhonda falls over and then says something along the lines of Muriel, I can't feel my legs is a great piece of direction, because it comes in the middle of a very funny and actually uplifting scene (the girls final getting their ends away after a fairly fruitless first half). Just when you think you're on an up, the movie decides it's going to change entirely, and put you on a big down. It's a great film because it's never quite what you expect, and certainly isn't like an American or even British comedy of the same era. I think that's why I liked it even more.
     
     
    De Selby
    02:58 / 10.11.05
    Rothkoid:
    There's a place for the handmade touch in films, and I think it's a real hallmark of many good Aussie films - you can feel the prints of the people who made it - but it can't be left in at the expense of professionalism.

    Exactly! That personal feel is IMO the stamp of a classic australian film. I can't think of any that don't have it. The Magician is a perfect example.... Maybe the problem is trying to water down that feel for an international audience (who in most cases won't give a toss anyway)?

    Loomis:
    As for the Dish, I've heard that criticism but I don't think it's valid. If the characters in Parkes were portrayed as a little slow, I think it's more to do with living in a remote country town rather than being Australian. If it was set in any other country, the residents of a similar town would be portrayed in a similar manner. I see it more as a story about residents of a small town being thrust into the international limelight than a story about backward Australians succeeding despite idiocy (or pulling a Homer).

    But when there's SOOO many films that have the same portrayal of what may as well be the same small town....

    It'd be interesting to find out the exact proportion of Australian cinema devoted to small town psychology, given that most people live in coastal cities.

    Mick-Travis:
    No mention so far of the eternally wonderful Barry Mckenzie.

    A glaring oversight. My girlfriend (she's Polish) completely misses the point of that film. I love it.

    "Don't come the un-cooked crustacean with me!"
     
     
    Loomis
    07:25 / 10.11.05
    I wouldn't say The Dish is about small town life. It's based on a true story that took place in Parkes, so it'd be hard to tell that story and set it in Sydney. The small-town character stuff allows opportunities for some observational humour but I think to focus overly on that element of the film is to miss the rest of it.
     
     
    The Return Of Rothkoid
    12:13 / 10.11.05
    Paleface: don't make the mistake of thinking that I don't like Muriel's Wedding - I do. I really, really do. It's one of the finest observational comedies that's been made here, I think. The character of Muriel's mother was just incredibly done. It's amazingly dark at its core, like the best comedy.

    It's funny, I was discussing with my partner tonight about the state of movies (again) as we were watching Praise. There's not that many films like that being made any more, largely because they don't have much in the way of obvious resale value overseas. Or, rather, there's more of a focus towards making those "quirky" films that'll somehow get sold because they represent the larrakins we're all meant to be...
     
     
    The Return Of Rothkoid
    12:20 / 10.11.05
    As for the Dish, I've heard that criticism but I don't think it's valid. If the characters in Parkes were portrayed as a little slow, I think it's more to do with living in a remote country town rather than being Australian.
    I just don't buy it. The scientists were all portrayed - except the inscrutable Sam Neill grandfatherly-mannered type - as being dropkicks, and they presumably weren't people who picked up the knowledge of how to accurately use a radio telescope down at the bottle-o on Parkes-Forbes main street. Their characters are educated beyond the standard small-town schtick, and have experiences beyond it - they're involved in the space program, after all - so I don't think that the smalltown observational thing is all that's driving the film. I honestly couldn't help but feel that it was more Homer than not when I saw it. You've got the standard smalltown delusions of grandeur being played out (hello, Porpoise Spit!) but with the scientists, the key story seems to be that those dimwit Aussies muddled their way through, and that there was nothing but farce involved. Which, to be frank, I just don't buy.

    Sure, it's a fi;m that's fun or diverting or whatever, but that element of it made me wonder if it'd been made for Australia, or had been made in order to flog overseas. Certainly, the use of someone like Sam Neill would help in the latter case...
     
     
    Shrug
    14:04 / 10.11.05
    As regards Somersault; I really liked it. Rothkoid states above that he had a problem relating to extremely neutral Heidi. I thought her abject neutrality was what made her so appealing as a character. She was completely a creature of the senses that contained no learning paradigm apart from maybe "feels bad and feels good". Her reactions were often simplistic, even animalistic, fight or flight! She wanders from sexual encounter to sexual encounter with no hard concept or even consideration of morality. A waif, a thing, full of overbubbling need!
    Joe's character arc overall I agree could have gone into a greater amount of detail but, and perhaps I'm biased, I'm always pleasantly surprised when things go in that direction. I did think that the issues were handled very well. His terrible confusion, class, social, sexual all were very apparent.
    In general the dialogue was great, the visual style very pleasing, and the ideology refreshing.
    I'm not sure how anyone could be so non-plussed by it.
     
     
    The Return Of Rothkoid
    01:59 / 14.11.05
    Well, I wasn't the only one.

    The calls I've heard filmmakers make about her character supposedly "having Aspergers" seemed to me to be a postprod tack-on to cover up for bad acting.
     
     
    Shrug
    01:10 / 15.11.05
    Yeah it's all subjective I suppose, sorry.
    I can imagine how a case for aspergers could be made though and I think that we are possibly meant to examine Heidi's behaviour in contrast to the boy with autism. And maybe it is a case of poor acting but I do think the narrative very much supports Abie Cornish's performance.
     
     
    Shrug
    22:00 / 24.12.05
    Wolf Creek is out. Anyone else seen it?
    Reminiscent of 70's Horror Slasher Flicks, in particular Texas Chainsaw Massacre. There's a hard to ignore similarity to Switchblade Romance too. Just as unpleasant as both. Based on a true story eh?
    *Crosses off Outback as holiday destination along with roadtrips and river-rafting in backwoods America.*
     
     
    CameronStewart
    22:05 / 24.12.05
    >>>There's a hard to ignore similarity to Switchblade Romance too<<<

    An infuriatingly nonsensical twist ending?

    I've heard that Wolf Creek is only veeeerrrry loosely based on true events, bearing about as much similarity to the real backpacker murders as Texas Chainsaw Massacre bears to the Ed Gein case that inspired it. Which is to say, not that much.

    Trailer looks decent though, and it's been a while since I've seen a good horror movie, so I may check it out.
     
     
    Shrug
    22:14 / 24.12.05
    An infuriatingly nonsensical twist ending?

    I was more talking about the misogyny and how story elements & pov shots were utilised for effect.
     
     
    Shrug
    22:19 / 24.12.05
    (So thankfully no infuriatingly nonsensical twisty ending)
     
      

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