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Gaiman's ETERNALS

 
  

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Henningjohnathan
20:26 / 28.10.05
Did I miss this thread?


All the Rage: Gaiman talks ETERNALS

"'This is so Kirby.' But you also felt that it was late stage Kirby. It was Jack creating something with bits of things that went back to New Gods and bits of his 2001 comic and also bits of things like his designs for the Lord of Light theme park, that he did (it was designed but never made). All of that was the kind of stuff going in there. It was also a comic book that never seemed to know if it was in the Marvel universe or not. I remember noticing that when I was fifteen or sixteen when I was reading it. “Is this Marvel or isn’t it? Here you have some S.H.I.E.LD. agents and in the next issue it seems to be explicit that Marvel characters only exist in comics.” Then it never really finished, it just sort of died out and half-heartedly incorporated into the Marvel universe but never really seemed to jell.
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I think what makes them special is that they are neither mutants nor superheroes or supervillains. What I think is so interesting is that they are people. They have superpowers and some of them even have costumes, but fundamentally they’ve been undercover a very long time. And they are people who have cool God-like magical powers but they’re still “us,” only they are “us” without assured death in the same way. That’s one of the things I want to address and play around with.
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I am not Jack Kirby. And I am not even going to try and attempt that. What I’m going to try to do is essentially take the universe he created, the characters he created, the ideas that he created and strip them down and put them back together again. As far as I’m concerned, one of the great things about comics is that you’re always allowed to dump the bits you don’t like. Then the deal that comes with that is that the people who come in next are allowed to dump the bits that you did that they don’t like. So I get to try to retrofit the Eternals and see what’s interesting about them from my perspective and to try to create characters that add value to the Marvel Universe… Like going into the playground and leaving some good toys behind.
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What I love is doing stories about people… what attracts me to it is the idea of people with incredibly long life spans and doing these comics about people who are functionally immortal. People for whom time moves very differently and how things have changed over the years. I want to start creating the idea of the Eternals as a group and watch things change over time. Somebody who might have been your best friend two thousand years ago is your bitterest enemy a thousand years on from that. Or the way that a romance that happened ten thousand years ago can affect things happening fifty years ago. The idea of a hidden hand in human history, hidden agendas across human history. I really like the idea of playing with that."
 
 
sleazenation
20:56 / 28.10.05
I don't think you missed a thread.

Are you excited by this news? If so, why?
 
 
Henningjohnathan
21:34 / 28.10.05
Are you a Gaiman-hater or a Kirby-hater?

Seriously, though, this sounds like a much better project that his 1602 ever could've been. I've always thought the Eternals were the most underrated idea in the Marvel U.
 
 
FinderWolf
06:26 / 29.10.05
I agree, this sounds a lot more interesting than 1602.

>> was Jack creating something with bits of things that went back to New Gods and bits of his 2001 comic and also bits of things like his designs for the Lord of Light theme park, that he did (it was designed but never made).

I read this and remembered that Thundarr the Barbarian, the 70s (or was it 80s?) cartoon series that Kirby did the designs for, used to exclaim "Lords of Light!" a la "Great Caesar's Ghost!" (and his lightsabre was called a "sun sword," if I recall correctly)
 
 
Mario
16:04 / 29.10.05
He's actually referring to the Zelazny novel. I've seen the designs online.

Am I the only one who thinks that the comments about "throwing away the bits that you don't like" ring a bit false, coming from the guy who throws a fit if DC uses Sandman without asking him?
 
 
Henningjohnathan
14:26 / 31.10.05
It is interesting that Gaiman, like Kirby, is also a big Zelazny fan (I think they were even friends and, certainly, SANDMAN owes a good bit to the AMBER series.)
 
 
This Sunday
19:15 / 31.10.05
Gaiman covering Kirby might be interesting, but, y'know, people always talk about needing to streamline Kirby projects to get them to work better, and frankly, it's the hectic pace and *everything, the bathwater and the goddamn mechanoclone undergods of Cygnus 5* approach that made these things appealing to me in the first place.
I love Kirby's dialogue, his so-called word jazz, because I think that's how I actually talk more often than not. I - and not just myself, but lots of people I know - sound a lot more like Kirby or Morrison characters than Gaiman, than Byrne, or especially he-of-the-true-dialogue-everyone-speaks Bendis.
The lack of emotional affect is something I've never got out of his stories, but I read/hear it from others all the time. 'The Pact' is emotional, hell, even the Black Panther's intro in FF was emotional, 'Devil Dinosaur' plays at the heartstrings, songs of love, hope, and excitement, more efficiently that a story involving burnt-skinned dinos and a monkey with June Cleaver's hair should. I really think, given a bit of breathing room, Kirby could have churned out the '8 1/2' of comics, and came close a few times. Visceral divinity!
And Gaiman is/was concerned with whether it fit in Marvel U. continuity? Oh, hell! Does it matter? Did it harm or hamper the stories while you're reading them? There's no pre-knowledge necessary, really, of the Marvel U. and there's no cites or backtracking of that sort, so why not just hold on to the 'Eternals' bullet-train and enjoy the ride? Or can/should we take the 'Marvel Boy' (dis)continuity thread(s) here and just apply everything to Kirby projects, too?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
19:20 / 04.05.06
My god.

Neil just posted this on his blog. Normally Romita's style bugs the hell out of me, but this is somewhat awesome. I'm guessing not many people are going to care about this book, since it's all TEH GAIMAN, so I'm wantonly breaking the page width. Feel free to edit if you must.

 
 
Mario
20:08 / 04.05.06
It looks pretty, but I remember the last two revamps of the Eternals, and I break out into a cold sweat. Still, if he keeps away from Marvel continuity (but not Kirby continuity) it should be readable.
 
 
The Falcon
20:54 / 04.05.06
I think I'll probably have summa this, but the real dealbreaker to me was Matt Hollingsworth's return to comics, on colours. Matt Hollingsworth is the reason The Filth didn't look quite so good from #4 onwards, because he wasn't colouring it anymore. He is the best colourist EVAR.
 
 
FinderWolf
02:33 / 05.05.06
WOW.

That really looks great. Here's hoping Gaiman doesn't get all 1602 crappy on us.
 
 
Billuccho!
03:30 / 05.05.06
I'm a big Romita Jr fan, but I've yet to be impressed by Gaiman (though I've only read one issue of Sandman, so I'm not quite certain of the quality of his work just yet). Haven't decided if I'll be buying this... I might at least give it an issue.

Sure looks pretty, though.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
17:54 / 09.05.06
were the Eternals the ones who lay eggs that Galactus eats in Earth X, or am I hopelessly confused?
 
 
Mario
18:00 / 09.05.06
Earth-X is it's own warped deal. Don't worry about it.

And no, those were the Celestials, who were introduced in the Eternals book, but are a different (and MUCH taller)) race.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:05 / 09.05.06
So are those big guys in that image Celestials then, and the little guys on the left are Eternals?
 
 
The Falcon
18:16 / 09.05.06
Yus.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:29 / 09.05.06
Ok, thats where my confusion stemmed. My Kirby Fu is weak.
 
 
matthew.
00:28 / 10.05.06
The Celestials also played a huge role in the destruction and recreation of the Microverse in the criminally underrated Micronauts: New Voyages series. The Microverse exists in Marvel continuity as long as nobody refers to it as the Microverse.
 
 
Mario
00:48 / 10.05.06
I'm pretty sure Microverse is OK. But Micronaut, Acroyear, Biotron, and a few other trademarks are out.
 
 
John Octave
00:59 / 10.05.06
They were refered to as "Microns," as I recall, in the first volume of Peter David's Captain Marvel series so as to avoid conflict.
 
 
_Boboss
13:08 / 10.05.06
isn't there an advert for this in this week's marvel books? all painty style, cause you know, 'neil'. spoilers follow:











it's wank.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
13:54 / 10.05.06
I did see the painty advert, and wondered why it wasn't even a little Kirby.

And Gum, I wouldn't worry about that spoiler, the credits gave that one away.
 
 
The Falcon
14:47 / 10.05.06
Gumbs, I know from experience it's still painful, having every issue of 1602, the self-recriminations about chucking £20+ on that jobby, but surely at least the pics look good this time? Surely he couldn't fuck up that bad again. Ssshhhurely it'd be impossible to get this one wrong?

I love the Celestials, (who doesn't?!) and I'll be very, very sad if so.
 
 
_Boboss
15:05 / 10.05.06
yeh, i was mainly talking about the advert really. that johnny romita shot is quite nice, but i kind of overdosed on him with that wolverine run - i don't think i can look at his faces again for a while.

been getting into the first ten or so of the original run - carnt see neil, sorry, 'neil', doing it justice with his standard arsenal really - elizabethan marvel heroes at least plays to his strengths. sorry, 'strengths'.
 
 
_Boboss
15:09 / 10.05.06
and, since you started it, who told you to persevere with getting into kirby in the first place? that's right. show some recockingspect or you'll wake up to find those 1602s on your doorstep

!!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:53 / 10.05.06
Trouble with Gaiman is he doesn't have anywhere near the verve to pull off the Eternal's. If it's just dayglo super-goths count me the fuck out.

Basically if it's not this:

 
 
Keith, like a scientist
18:54 / 10.05.06
man. i'm totally missing out not having read that comic. Tomb of the Space God?!? I want.
 
 
Mario
19:01 / 10.05.06
There is a trade coming, as I recall.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:43 / 21.06.06
#1's not bad. It falters a little bit from me having Shilo Normisson's Mister Miracle relatively fresh in my head. I miss Makkari being Quasar's hetero life partner, though...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
22:26 / 21.06.06
Does it feel like gaiman cares? Or is it just money-counting in between book deals?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:41 / 21.06.06
It feels like Gaiman cares, it just feels like the structure (the increment size) holds it back. The Sersi scene is faboo, though. I'm not sure how it would read to someone who didn't actually know who Sersi was before hand, tho.
 
 
Mark Parsons
01:09 / 23.06.06
Loved it. I felt it followed up Kirby's work nicely, although nobody set fire to NYC. Yet.

Any ideas as to why Gaiman changed "Host" to "Horde" in reagrds to the Celestials' sojourns on Earth?

And there is an HC out next week that reprints the full run plus the annual. The book is SEVENTY FIVE DOLLARS mind you, but it's worth it to me. I loved this series as a kid.
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
09:59 / 23.06.06
MacReady - don't have a source link for this, but as far as I know, Gaiman took on two projects with Marvel to raise funds for the Comic Book Defense League (or whetever they're called). I think 1602 was the first and the Eternals the second.
 
For my part, this is my first encounter with The Eternals, and I quite enjoyed #1. Although it does make me want to go find Kirby's originals, if they're out in book form...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:22 / 24.06.06
This seems like 'gay-man's' best work ever. There is no sense at all that he is 'fo-ning' this stuff in.
 
 
Mark Parsons
00:53 / 25.06.06
Actually, NG did the projects to raise funds for the "Miracleman Battle" (my wordage) which, due to Todd McFarlane's Scroogeish, bullheaded (and possibly dishonest and mean spirited) refusal to acknowledge that he does not have the rights to the work despite several court judgments against him. (OK, that's a hugely compressed version of the tale, which also involves ownership of characters NG created for SPAWN).

It's never been explicitly stated (as far as I know), but I gather than Marvel would love to get the rights to reprint the long OOP trades and have gaiman finish the MM book that he was working on when Eclipse went under.
 
  

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