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Jim Jarmusch

 
 
ZF!
11:48 / 28.10.05
Thought someone might want to talk about Jarmusch, seeing as Broken Flowers is now out (I'll probably go see at the weekend) good reviews so far. So I'm stoked.

I've liked most of Jarmusch's films that I've seen, probably one of my favourite directors. Favourites are probably "Night on Earth", "Down By Law", "Mystery Train" and "Dead Man". Seriously love all of these. Coffee and Cigarettes was so so. I didn't like "Ghost Dog" and "Stranger than Paradise" that much (a bit bland I thought, but other people will probably think it one of his better films. :-)

So anybody else excited to see Broken Flowers? Anybody love it? Anybody not? Anybody hate Jarmusch?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:56 / 28.10.05
I've generally seen reviews that discussed the lack of resolution at the end of Broken Flowers in negative terms. I thought that the film ended with quite a lot of the information tied up and that most of the reviewers were watching it with wishful eyes instead of seeing the film as it actually played out. It's a film that you have to maintain a certain amount of cynicism towards otherwise you start to interact with the plot as the protagonist rather than the viewer.

The acting was very good, the story was interesting and I enjoyed it more than thought it would. I didn't think it was too slow, unresolved or boring. I thought it was a very good movie.
 
 
ZF!
08:59 / 29.10.05
Saw it last night, thought it was fantastic.

In my experience it is usually in Jarmusch's films that at some point, I will think to myself, "God, this is a damn good film!"
In the case of "Broken Flowers" this happened for me, in the scene where Don wakes up in his car in the middle of a field, with a black eye, blood caked on his face, his hand plucked flowers strewn all over his chest.

I really liked the cinematography, had a gritty quality to it, with surreal-ish subject matter, but I suppose that's pretty much the norm for Jarmusch. As always the soundtrack was lovely, and suited the film perfectly. I'd probably like to have it in my collection.

Storywise I'd have to agree with you, Nina, as far as I could tell, it all tied up in the end, with a nice development of Don Johnston's character. I haven't heard/read the reviews where they pointed out a lack of resolution, perhaps they just didn't pay attention?

I thought acting all around was very good, although I did think the Winston character was a little underdeveloped (maybe too normal? :-)). The friend I went with criticised the deadpan Don Johnston as being too similar to Murray's character in Lost in Translation, and so thought that the film suffered a bit here.

Something funny I just found out, the kid in the car at the end really is Bill Murray's son, Homer.
 
 
GogMickGog
10:06 / 29.10.05
Jarmusch is someone you have to be in the right mood for. I first watched Dead Man in tiny bursts and got irritated by the lack of structure etc, but when I watched it as a whole it all made such sense; he can be goofy, but scenes such as Mr. Depp's boat on a storm tossed sea are so lovingly filled with awe and beauty.

His films evoke a feeling, they set up a fairly basic narrative (i.e. Broken Flower's cod-detective plot) but then they take it apart and tinker with the workings,letting you spend time with the characters.

I've learned to love the guy. He's very wry, and when it works (the Coogan/Molina sketch in Coffee and Cigarettes) it works like a charm. Night Train is one that, for me, doesn't work (Strummer was a godly musician, but a terrible actor, no?). Too slight, too knowing.

A style like his is bound to be hit and miss.
Anyone agree?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:43 / 29.10.05
I'm just back from this movie, and went to see it rather half-heartedly mainly because I feel Bill Murray is becoming so frigging predictable in his recent movies. I almost feel it's an Emperor's New Clothes scam -- where reviewers praise his lugubrious profundity, I mainly see a guy whose main selling-point is the foldy, jowled, scarred face he's developed with age, and whose main schtick is just sitting behind that face animating it as little as possible. It could be seen as a Kuleshov editing effect: cut to an interesting, lively, vibrant actor as foil, cut back to Murray and by contrast his absence of response seems to be speaking volumes.

I don't entirely feel this cynical, but I could sympathise with someone who advanced that argument. I'm also almost persuaded by those who claim Murray is really doing something subtle and special in these recent performances. Overall I suppose I'm undecided whether he's become a great actor with his own unique tone, or whether he's going along with an enormous lucky streak whereby his face on its own just suddenly fits the indie-cinema mood, without him having to do much about it.

Anyway, I very much enjoyed Sideways, About Schmidt and The Straight Story, which this film most seemed to resemble, and in that respect I liked Broken Flowers. I like films that take us on a road trip round quirky corners of Americana, filled with detailed and telling mise-en-scene and nice little scenes of social edge or embarrassment.

It might sound a strange complaint but I felt disappointed by the lack of geographical sense -- Don mostly travels by airplane, and I got no impression of what area he was in, or what route he was taking. I don't know what state any of his encounters occurred in, or how far he travelled. The transitions between meetings were mainly covered by a shot of a plane, a few behind-the-wheel shots, maybe a shot of Don drowsing in a seat, and a series of fades to black. In a road movie, I like more sense of place and travel.
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:45 / 29.10.05
Oh yeah: an achievement to make me laugh at the sight of a pretty, nude girl. I'm glad that didn't get into the trailer, unlike most of the other good moments.
 
 
ZF!
09:59 / 01.11.05
I must say I'm glad I hardly watch TV anymore, I've managed to miss most trailers for films I'm looking forward to seeing, that could otherwise ruin it for me.

Anyway to the discussion.

I suppose you do have to be in certain moods for some films. Lynch's "Straight Story", for example, if I wasn't hung-over and a bit reflective when I watched it, I doubt I would've made it through the whole thing. I very nearly didn't make it through "Dancer in the Dark" for the very same reason.

But then sometimes you go see a film because you are in a certain state of mind, need to be lifted, or just entertained by some brainless (or splattered brain) action film.

This may apply to some of Jarmusch's films. "Stranger than Fiction", "Dead Man", maybe even "Down by Law", perhaps require a knowledge of Jarmusch's style, to not be put off by a slow start. My personal impression is, that from all the sensationalist bullshit that gets excreted out of the bowels of Hollywood every year, Jarmusch manages to bring something human to the whole equation. Or at least what I consider human. As long as he keeps doing that I'll be a fan.

I wasn't really that bothered by the lack of indication of place in Broken Flowers, perhaps it was meant to add to the disorientation that Don's going through, or it could be done to remove stereotypes of certain states? I just taking a wild guess with the latter, as I'm not that familiar with the States it didn't really bother me, I did notice it though. One thing I realised from the film is that it makes me want to go a on a car trip to the countryside, I've been in the city way to long.

As for Murray's acting, the only real comparison I can really draw to Don is his character in "Lost In Translation", his characters in "The Royal Tenenbaums" and "The Life Aquatic" were quite different, so I'm not sure I'd agree that it's a trend with him yet.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:11 / 01.11.05
This kind of contains a SPOILER.

I felt disappointed by the lack of geographical sense

I quite liked that, I felt as if the film didn't stereotype America, just gave us parts of suburbia that we would never normally see in a film unless it was making a very certain type of social comment. I didn't really feel that it was a road movie though, more an inner journey than an outer one. After all wasn't the whole point that he was going through a punishment?
 
 
ZF!
13:00 / 01.11.05
*More Spoilers*

I suppose it was a form of punishment, but I think that may be a bit negative. I felt it was more of a maturing of himself through a lesson. He's forced to face his past, reflect and consider, as opposed to getting his just desserts for his actions when he was younger.

I mean look at how his character changes, in the beginning he seems opposed to the idea of a family a bored man, he's given the hope of having a son, given something to look forward to. A hope which is to be proven untrue, but he keeps on hoping, despite receiving evidence to the contrary. I don't think that's a punishment, more a realisation, it's still not too late for him to change, and he has.

Oh! The layers, the journey through the physical world echoes his inner journey culminating in his trip to the cemetery and him breaking down.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
09:27 / 13.11.05
Maybe it wasn't so much a punishment as an intense growing-up experience. Many people go through over many years the gamut of emotions he was thrown into over a week or so. And arguably, this is because he's put off becoming a normal, married family man for pretty much his whole life. Although I don't personally feel there's a moral judgement against Don Juanism or bachelorhood in the film per se; you can see it coming from some other characters as representative enough of society.

Anyway.

I thought Jeffery Wright did a beautiful job of creating a character within a very naturalistic style (nice accent work you crazy man), and Bill Murray is getting very good at just being Bill Murray on camera. Which, given his experience, he should be able to do by now. Much of the acting I wasn't too thrilled about (what's "acting" about pretending to be casual?), but as part of the overall style of the film, it worked very well. The cat was the best actor by far.

Some storytelling elements were irritating - "fade in, plane takes off, fade out" was, I think, supposed to be a part of the film's slow rhythm, but it felt just a little too heavy-handed. I pictured half of the blackouts before they happened, and that bugged me. Take out many of the blackouts and I think the film could improve.

When the film ended, I was "aaargh!"ing at the screen over the lack of resolution, but now every time I think of Homer Murray's gentle, curious face peeking out of the passenger side window, I break into giggles. That was probably the best possible ending - I just love the fact that you look at this kid and think "holy shit, he really looks like...!", and then they just drive off and Don's left with the slightly insane possibility that every 19-year-old boy out there could be his son.

So verdict basically being that hell, that was a good film. I'm very proud of that bunny, too.
 
 
Krug
19:55 / 13.11.05
Since you asked the question in the first post don't hate me for respondign because this is just my reality tunnel which finds him disagreeable.

Jarmusch is one of those directors I simply don't understand. I've seen a few films and I walk away not knowing what the fuck's the point. Down by Law: Cool music, snazzy black and white cinematography and maybe some selfawareness about it. But completely and utterly meaningless actors interacting with each other with an ending I felt came more so because time was up. Scenes tacked on ontop of each other to pass off as narrative. Ghost Dog, profoundly and inexplicably irritating esp with the intertitle quotes, lotsa fake moody silences. I don't think I made it past the thirty minute point. His films feels so contrived, blatantly fake and unappealing. I don't feel like getting into them. And since I'm in a shockingly small or nonexistent minority I think it's very likely that something's wrong with me and I'm missing an essential piece of brain that tends to get people to appreciate him.

My friend insists I should watch Dead Man because he feels the same way about the rest of his work. I will on a day when I simply forget how I feel about the rest of his work.

Broken Flowers didn't show in a theatre nearby so I missed it. It looks as though Bill Murray is concentrating on typecasting himself but people told me it's still good. Despite being suspicious I do want to see it when it's out on dvd.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:14 / 14.11.05
(manages to hide from BF spoilers)

I love Jim Jarmusch's films. I like the fragmentary/episodic thing he often does, his casts, the visual virtuosity which rarely overwhelms the dialogue.

Have finally just got around to seeing Coffee and Cigarettes and it's the best thing I've seen this year. As someone says here, like much of J's stuff, it's deceptive...appears slight at first, but there are whole worlds in those conversations, masterly shifts in tone between scenes, and laugh-out-loud funny in places.
 
 
PatrickMM
01:25 / 27.01.06
I saw BF a few days ago and loved it. I've got mixed opinions on Jarmusch's earlier stuff, a lot of it was just too slow to really enjoy. I could respect what he was trying to do in creating mood, but it just didn't hold up over the entire film.

However, I think partially because Murray is a stronger human center than the main characters in a lot of his other work, I found Broken Flowers really entertaining and the ending was phenomenal. The ambiguous ending was much stronger than having him actually find his son, and that whole final conversation and the last scene were incredibly poignant.

I think to some extent Murray is being typecast, but it feels more like directors are building films around this new persona than he's actively seeking them out. And his work in Coffee and Cigarettes shows that Murray can still do something different.
 
  
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