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pointless and uncalled for
11:35 / 10.01.02
For reseach purposes, I'm looking for books on eastern magic practices and culture.

I've taken a look at Oriental Magic and The Secret Lore of Magic (less eastern, more transcultural), both by Idries Shah.

I'm wondering if anyone here has any recommendations?

Yes, No, Maybe?
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:03 / 10.01.02
What's your demarcation of 'Eastern'?

Are you looking for stuff from India to the Pacific? Only Japan? Japan and China?

For this purpose do you consider magic from the Middle East to be 'Eastern'?

That being asked, if you're interested in a more visceral view of the 'Left hand path' of Tantra, I would recommend "Aghora: At the Left Hand of God" by Robert E. Svoboda.

Definitely,NOT a New Age view of Tantra.

Other than that, I'm not sure that I know of any books on Asian magic (i.e., thaumaturgical magic). Most of what I've seen has been Asian spirituality, religion, meditation etc. Hopefully other people have some good recommendations.

My, albeit limited, understanding is that what is out there is passed down experiencially instead of through the writing of books.
 
 
captain piss
14:09 / 10.01.02
I'm re-reading 'The Way of Zen' by Allan Watts at the minute which is -for me, anyway- a very readable explanation of things like taoism, buddhism and the like. People often say 'ahh, but you can't reduce these concepts to the linear, one-at-a-time medium of words and language, which he refutes.
Had quite a few lightbulb-over-the-head moments on the tube today with it.
Though this isn't maybe all that helpful, magic-wise

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pointless and uncalled for
14:15 / 10.01.02
I would be happy to take anything east of Turkey out as far as Japan. Middle East is fine.

I'm looking for a broad spectrum away from the classical western understanding of magic at the moment, once I find something that strikes a chord, I'll narrow down my search.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
14:18 / 10.01.02
Meme Buggerer (it's surprisingly fun to refer to someone by that name ) alludes to a good point.

Potus: Not only what do you mean by 'Eastern' but also what do you mean by 'Magic'?

Philosophy books on Zen, Taoism, Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Ad Nasueum-ism, may not be what you're looking for but unfortunately that's what is most available and what most people will list.

By the way, this post and your last post crossed paths but even though you basically answered my questions in it, I'll leave this up in case any of the above 'keywords' triggers something (i.e, "I'm sick to death of Shintoism. Please don't recommend any Shinto books.")

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Professor Silly
14:22 / 10.01.02
It seems to me that the people in the "east" have traditionally gone more towards mysticism than magick. I suppose one could view some aspects of Kung Fu magickal...Kung Fu (in simplified terms) combines Buddhism with the asanas of Hatha Yoga, taken to the extreme with the Tai Chi Chuan form.
I suppose you could consider Persia and Sumeria the "east", in which case the Arabian Nights would constitute a good source. If you can find the annotated version, you may gain many insights into their use of sex as a magickal device.
I'd consider Judaism an "eastern" practice, which means the Qabala would qualify. I'd recommend The Kabbalah Unveiled, translated be S.L. MacGregor Mathers.
Of course, if you recognize the similiarities in purpose between mysticism and magick, then Vedanta Philosophy by Swami Vivekananda will give you wonderful information on the techniques of yoga...the I Ching remains my favorite method of divination...and The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage will give you an Egyptian/Judaic hybrid technique....

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pointless and uncalled for
14:36 / 10.01.02
Mainly I'm looking for the more spellcasting and divination edge. I know that it's a somewhat limited practice but witchcraft is not unknown in the opposite hemisphere.

Essentially, I know a reasonable amount of the western forms and am looking for the eastern counter-balance. Different routes, same results stuff.
 
 
grant
16:36 / 10.01.02
The Tao of Sex, Health and Longevity. Popular in sexy, New Age, health-food-store circles. Can't remember the author.

And check this out.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
16:48 / 10.01.02
Grant is THE answer man.

Here is another site that gives some historical info on the Maoshan sect.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
17:01 / 10.01.02
Fantastic stuff peoples. I shall requisition some good karma points for you.
 
 
cusm
18:18 / 10.01.02
I've read some of Wong Kiew Kit before, he's pretty on top of things. Mantak Chia has a whole series of books on Taoist internal alchemy, chi-kung, and the usual stuff about how withholding your seman from ejaculation will let you live forever

But as for spell casting... Taoist alchemy is the direction you want to look for that. Be one with natural forces, and then command them. Unfortunately, the best source I've found is Kung Fu movies and Anime From that much, I inferred the practice is much the same as western magic, only instead of runes or sigels, you write out Kanji or I Ching hexigrams on your ricepaper slips before you throw them at the tenticle-rape demons.

Try looking into Feng Shui for uses of the pa kua (sp). That's where I've found the most in practical applications of the I Ching for magic, at least of the talismantic variety.
 
 
Rev. Jesse
15:51 / 11.01.02
The Tibetan Book of the Dead is good.

The I-Ching, noted below, is groovy too. Dig Aliester Crowley's translation of it.

And how's about all those crazy Hindu epics, who's names I can't recall but have lots of G's and B's and V's?

And let's not forget the Te Ching either, the Book of Changes is the classic on chinese magic.

A lot of chinese magic and medicine also deals with martial arts too, you may want to ask a local martial arts training area for suggestions as well.

-Rev. Jesse

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Gho5tD4nc3r
16:19 / 11.01.02
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned it yet, but eastern spellcasting and divination I recommend the I-Ching. Does require re-writing some of your neural software if you're of a western frame of mind, but has much to teach.

I second the tibetan book of the dead. Dry read, but worth it.
 
 
alas
18:40 / 11.01.02
i will second or third or fourth the i'ching suggestion. i like the classic translation by richard willhelm (with an equally classic intro written by CGJung), and it is a great tool for re-configuring your brain's approach to reality. You gotta read the book and live with it like a wonderful poem to feel its work, but it's fun to try it out online, too. Try this site.
 
 
alas
18:48 / 11.01.02
oh, btw, an Invisibles connection to the I Ching (which some devotees may find obvious, but I'm still new to the Invisible world): in Apocalipstick, p. 2--the title page that says "23: Things Fall Apart" there's a hexagram under it--
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That's 27: The Corners of the Mouth/Providing Nourishment. The two trigrams symbolize: thunder under mountain.

Which may be more than you wanted to know.
(Hey, I just noticed I'm not a "junior member" any more. yay for me.)
 
 
Papess
00:39 / 12.01.02
I have just picked up a book called "Occult Science in India and Among the Ancients"
Author: Louis Jacolliot
University Press
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 73-118606

It seems very informative although, I have not made a serious dent in it yet. It is an eyewitness account of experiences among fakirs of India.

I also highly recommend a book which I believe is called "Rainbow Body" possibly published by Shambala. This is a hard to find but provocative book. it discusses and gives accounts of a certain way of dying that simply removes or transform the body. There are accounts in the East where people have simply willed themselves to transform themsleves into a pure body of light. They are no longer corporeal and leave this world in a rainbow body of light. Pretty cool huh?

~May Tricks
 
 
Papess
01:07 / 12.01.02
Here is another book you might find helpful. It is called "Self-Liberation Through Seeing with Naked Awareness". It deals mainly with the highly esoteric teachings of Dzogchen.

Here is another book It is called "BUDDHIST MASTERS OF ENCHANTMENT: The Lives and Legends of the Mahasiddhas"
trans. by Keith Dowman


~May Tricks

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ghadis
02:38 / 12.01.02
Great book on Tantra

Very recommended!!!

Apart from that i'm not really up on eastern magic...

Apart from being able to sustain an erection for 48hrs....not sure if that counts as magick though.....(YUUUP...thats 49!!)
 
 
Lionheart
17:13 / 12.01.02
"The Six Yogas of Naropa"

It meantions Tum-mo, also known as Dummo. That's the yoga of inner heat (yoga doesn't only mean physical motions but meditation), as well as a bunch of others including the projection of conciousness into other bodies and stuff.
 
 
Papess
18:57 / 12.01.02
The Life of Milerapa is excellent. I think he was Naropa's Guru. Anyway there are some interesting stories about Milerapa using black magic and thenchanging his ways in order to become enlightened. He learns how to fly and lives for years in recluse drinking nothing but nettle tea. It even has some very funny bits. This is an actual biography though! Not a Tibetan Harry Potter!


~May Tricks
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
09:19 / 13.01.02
Wonderful, you folk are as handy as a large number of hands in a handbasket.
 
 
Lothar Tuppan
23:04 / 13.01.02
quote:Originally posted by Rev. Jesse:


And how's about all those crazy Hindu epics, who's names I can't recall but have lots of G's and B's and V's?


I didn't mention the Indian epics because they deal specifically with religion not magic and the last time I tried to broach the subject of where our religious and magical borders lie, over in the Karma thread, no one wanted to play.

Anyway, while I think the Vedas, Upanishads, epics, etc. have valid info, it's kind of like recommending the Old Testament to someone who's interested in Hebraic magic. There may be some valid info but it's more about cosmology, cosmogony, and mythology than on magic.

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And let's not forget the Te Ching either, the Book of Changes is the classic on chinese magic.


You may have meant the I Ching but in case you meant the Tao Te Ching, it's as much, if not more, of a political work than a magical or even philosophical one.

David Hinton's translation deals with the political situation in Lao Tzu's time as the Chou dynasty continued to deteriorate into the Warring States period.

Not to say there's no magic in there, just that Lao Tzu's fervent desire for beneficial social change in very chaotic and violent times shouldn't be forgotten as one of the prime motivations for the Tao Te Ching.

If you didn't mean the Tao Te Ching then just ignore the above stuff.
 
  
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