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New Sigil Idea

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

18:10 / 06.01.02

In the idea of Chaos Magic being built on experiements...

Has anyone toyed with the idea of drawing a sigil with their own blood? No, not lots and lots of blood, just a pinprick to draw it on the paper before charging it.

I'm thinking about trying something that way to pull from the idea of blood magic.

22:21 / 06.01.02

my question would be why? (unless you really want to.) But then I know very little about blood in magick. What does it add to the mix- or is that what you want to find out?

Tryphena Absent

23:14 / 06.01.02

My instinct here says that you can do that if you want the sigil bound to you. Blood is a living part of you and if you use it to draw a sigil then you have to be sure of what you're doing and you have to be sure of what you're drawing and it's best not to get anyone else involved.
Oh yeah and if you decide to get rid of the sigil don't burn it.

14:57 / 07.01.02

Bloodying runes has been a time honored tradition to bring them to life and 'charge' them.

While I haven't tried it with sigils I have done it with bind runes and I find it very powerful. You are sacrificing of your own life to give life to your magic as well as generating gnosis through the resistance/fear that your 'survival instinct' generates.

Overriding the resistance to wound yourself can generate some big old energy.

There are also ways to do it that aren't terribly painful, heal easy, and don't leave scratches or scars.

18:33 / 07.01.02

Are there any decent anti-clotting agents that could be used to make the blood more effective as ink?

19:34 / 07.01.02

Interesting idea. Considering that it works for gravy, I'd imagine a pinch of corn starch or flour would do the trick. Another interpretation of blooding is to mix the blood with other ingredients (or bodily fluids), making a potion of sorts as the ink. Yet another place you can add escoteric references and foci if you need, such as mixing with herbs and the like. Ritually prepare the mix. I imagine ground bone would work very well here.

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

20:36 / 07.01.02

It would be a sigil bound to me, and after reading about using different materials to create I wondered if anyone had tried anything like it. The one I am thinking of would also be a more personal one needing a bit more power than I have ever tried before and want to expand my abilities.

And, if I don't destroy it by fire, would I go with burying it after charging?

Tryphena Absent

22:32 / 07.01.02

I think you're on my wavelength Rose

Burying's the best way to harness energy whether you want something recharged or swallowed up- after all the earth's one giant magnet.

22:40 / 07.01.02

I wouldn't be able to bury it personally.
Not very chaos magicianly of me, but I wouldn't feel good about it. I worked a lot with blood back before I knew what the hell I was doing, and it's become something (as said) very personal. I wouldn't be able to give it up to the earth.
Doubt I'd be able to burn it either, though.

Think I'd have to eat it, and that would have all the wrong conotations for some desired results.

22:59 / 07.01.02

quote:Originally posted by cusm:
Another interpretation of blooding is to mix the blood with other ingredients (or bodily fluids), making a potion of sorts as the ink. Yet another place you can add escoteric references and foci if you need, such as mixing with herbs and the like. Ritually prepare the mix. I imagine ground bone would work very well here.

I did something similar when I made my first divinatory rune set (i.e., added some blood and other stuff to the paint I was using). The ratio of paint to blood was such that the paint was still thick and effective but it was charged with my blood.

Tryphena Absent

23:26 / 07.01.02

Apart from the smell of burning blood- burning a blood sigil could possibly reverse the effect of anything you're going for. It's feasible that it would unravel everything. As for not being able to give it up - well that's just part of the process- I have roots in witchcraft so all the energy's got to be given back.

Personally I don't touch blood magick, apart from the sacrifice and the pain I must admit that the binding scares me. I don't believe I will ever be experienced enough to have any modicum of control when using that much energy and I feel like it should be buried so that the energy can be grounded because I'm not sure that any working would eat up the amount you charged a sigil by using your blood to draw it. Maybe I'm wrong though-- I've never done it.

Disco is My Class War

02:55 / 08.01.02

This is slightly different, but I have cut a sigil into someone's flesh before. Actually, I think that works far better than using blood on paper or parchment. Skin is the canvas... and it's charging constantly, depending on what energy you charge it with initially, and how you bind. I've also been cut, and a couple of weeks ago a friend invited me to her cutting -- a friend of hers did it, and myself and another friend held hands and kept her grounded throughout. Pretty mind-blowing. Especially with the power of the woman who did it, and the runes that appeared on her back as if they were simply marking themselves.

Cutting is a pretty intense experience, and it's probably wise to find someone to cut you who knows what they're doing. Or do a lot of reading. And try to find a bdsm workshop on cutting in the city where you live.

11:53 / 08.01.02

Hardcore Rosa.

12:10 / 08.01.02

I've used blood and I'm glad this topic has come up because I was looking for ideas, and as for Rosa's message I think I need to go to the Kink topic in the conversation

I really want to try that cutting sigils sounds fkn magic to me

Less searchable M0rd4nt

09:39 / 09.01.02

Used blood (mine, btw) for a few ritual purposes when I was quite a bit younger, for no other reason than it cropped up in a lot of books and I thought there might be something in it. As I recall, I made a small wand for ritual purposes when I was about 14 and packed out the handle with cotton wool and a few drops of gore. Can't be sure it made any difference. Oh, and I used to make sigils out of runes around the same time so naturally they got the same treatment.

I lost interest in the idea pretty quickly, partly because I didn't like the self-harm angle but mostly because blood doesn't have the huge significance for me that it does for some people. I mean, I see plenty of it for one week out of four (not to mention annoyingly frequent nosebleeds) so it has about the same significance for me as does sweat or mucus.

Since the subject has come up, can I just mention that bloodplay is a really, really efficient way to catch some truly horrible diseases? AIDS, hepatitis, syphilis... not to mention septic cuts, maybe even tetanus. Not telling anyone how to live their lives, just thought I'd mention it.

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Less searchable M0rd4nt

09:41 / 09.01.02

deleted coz I fucked up and posted twice.

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Tryphena Absent

09:41 / 09.01.02

I'm really squeamish about blood... bleeding makes me freak if I don't have anything to cover a cut up with... maybe that's my real problem with the whole concept of using your blood.

09:41 / 09.01.02

quote:Originally posted by Lothar Tuppan:
...There are also ways to do it that aren't terribly painful, heal easy, and don't leave scratches or scars.

Tips?

Also, Mordant.... What do you mean by "bloodplay," exactly. Are you thinking of more than one person using the same instrument?

09:41 / 09.01.02

The easiest way that I've done it is to take a sharp needle or pin (sterilyzed and safe, etc.). You pull the skin of the tip of your finger tight and then slowly and gently push the needle/pin into your fingertip until it begins to hurt. Then remove the needle/pin and squeeze the finger. Usually I can get about 3-5 drops per finger, especially if I swing my arm to move the blood down to my hand. Usually one hand (five fingers produces 15-25 drops which is a lot actually)is enough for my purposes. Two would be more than plenty.

The cool part is that it stops bleeding almost immediately, doesn't have lingering pain, and you can barely even tell you did it the next day.

Disco is My Class War

09:41 / 09.01.02

Sex is also a great way to catch all kinds of diseases. Ummmm.... people do tend to squick about blood, but it's exactly the same: you allow some of your bodily fluid out.

That said, I should probably have cautioned any aspiring bloodplayers that safety is of intense importance. Use latex gloves, only ever use sterilised scalpels straight out of their packaging (don't share scalpels, it's exactly like needles), swab the area you're going to cut with antiseptic solution before and afterwards (or salt water if you're dealing with a masochist), and use lots and lots of Betadine. Don't taste the blood unless your bottom has been HIV tested and you have also. (I would say, don't ever taste the blood, but actually I think that's a majorly amazing part of cutting someone you love, and if people are having unprotected sex together, then they may as well share blood.) Mordant is right, but you can take precautions. And if you want to cutting to scar, scratch it a bit and bathe it with lemon while it's healing.

But yeah, best to get someone to show you how first...

And really, Lothar, I am so not hardcore.

14:02 / 09.01.02

quote:Originally posted by Rosa d'Ruckus:
Don't taste the blood unless your bottom has been HIV tested and you have also.

You know, I read this sentence pretty differently the first time through. Metonymically, rather than as technical jargon.
Made me laugh. Sorry.

14:19 / 09.01.02

I had to take a second look too

- this thread has totally peaked my interest in bloodplay...

Rosa do you know of any sites with this kind of thing?

19:53 / 09.01.02

quote:Originally posted by Rosa d'Ruckus:

And really, Lothar, I am so not hardcore.

Maybe I'm just a lightweight then.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

22:15 / 09.01.02

Yeesh.

Well, if you must, I suppose you must. This place gets links on a lot of the odder Goth sites:

www.sanguinarius.org

I re-iterate my previous caveats. This still sounds like a really dull way to catch hep.

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cidermonk

22:28 / 09.01.02

alcohol will keep the blood from clotting

15:28 / 11.01.02

This is an incredibly cool idea. I've anointed sigils with my blood and other fluids to charge them, but I have not tried writing one in blood. Considered having one tatto'd to me, but I'm uncertain if I'd want to carry around any given sigil till I die.

How about sigils as graffiti? I rode the MBTA in yesterday and all the graffiti I saw looked as unintelligible as sigils. Would complete strangers seeing sigils on a daily basis unaware of the sigil's intentions charge them?

-Jesse

Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo

23:47 / 11.01.02

I've been tempted to make one as graffitti, but am a bit to middle class to run about tagging things. maybe I'll get a bunch made as stickers and shove 'em on sidewalks and the like this spring.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

18:04 / 12.01.02

What about drawing sigils on sanitary towels/tampons with a felt-tip?

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Less searchable M0rd4nt

18:09 / 12.01.02

(okay, sorry, silly joke.)

18:50 / 12.01.02

I can see it now:

"For a good time, wank off here and call out to GEK!"

Less searchable M0rd4nt

22:39 / 12.01.02

The graffiti/public sigil thing turns up quite a lot. Have a trawl thru the old threads and see if you can find summat.