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Mormon Magick

 
 
Henningjohnathan
22:40 / 12.10.05
Just curious. I know that Joseph Smith supposedly used some "sorcerous" methods to translate the book of Mormon and that some people referred to the Angel Moroni as a salamander, but does Mormonism have any magical ritual components?

Also, does it have as many angels and demons as say the Catholic religion?
 
 
grant
23:35 / 12.10.05
1. I kinda doubt any Mormons would admit to "sorcery" being involved. Conversing with angels, yes.

2. Catholicism (mainstream) = not so big on the angels and not so big on the demons, very big indeed on the saints (some of whom are also angels).
 
 
Unconditional Love
07:55 / 13.10.05
Occultic and Masonic Influence
in Early Mormonism


This link seems reasonable, well compared to the rest so far.

Joseph Smith: America's Hermetic Prophet

Not too bad either.
 
 
Unconditional Love
08:04 / 13.10.05
Beginning in his late-adolescent years Joseph was first recognized by others to have paranormal abilities, and between 1822 and 1827 he was enlisted to act as "seer" for several groups engaged in treasure digging. Not only did he possessed a "seer stone" into which he could gaze and locate things lost or hidden in the earth, but it has recently became evident this same stone was probably the "Urim and Thummim" later used to "translate" portions of the Book of Mormon. According to contemporary accounts of the book's writing, Joseph would place his "seer stone" in the crown of his hat, and then bend forward with his arms upon his knees and his face buried in the hat. Gazing into the stone while in this posture, he would visualize and then dictate the words to a scribe seated nearby.



The treasure digging activities also had involved magical rituals, and it is likely Joseph Smith was cognizant of at least the rudiments of ceremonial magic during his adolescent years. A possible occult mentor to the young Smith has also been identified--a physician named Dr. Luman Walter. Walter was a distant cousin of Smith's future wife and a member of the circle associated with Smith's early treasure quests. By contemporary reports he was not only a physician, but a magician and mesmerist who had traveled extensively in Europe to obtain "profound learning"--probably including knowledge of alchemy, Paracelcian medicine, and hermetic lore. Other pieces of evidence added to the picture. Three very curious parchments and a dagger owned by Joseph Smith's brother, Hyrum, have been careful preserved by his descendants as sacred relics, handed down from eldest son to eldest son after his death. Family tradition maintained they were religious objects somehow used by Hyrum and Joseph. When finally allowed scrutiny by individuals outside the family, it was recognized they were the implements of a ceremonial magician.

FROM Joseph Smith: America's Hermetic Prophet
 
 
Henningjohnathan
21:45 / 17.10.05
"Money digging" sound like the 1800's equivalent of metal detecting.

Thanks.
 
 
agent darkbootie
17:37 / 18.10.05
I heard a radio piece a few years back (maybe on "This American Life"?) about the dissolution of a tight community of Mormons that broke up over one issue or another.

There was talk about the blurring between polygamy and lesbianism, and the personality conflicts that were at the root of the community's problems. But most interesting to me were these veiled references to a "ritual" where the elders of the group had contacted an angel, and were holding a rather involved conversation with it. Apparently the group leader started to get nervous and shut the ritual down, and that led to a lot of in-fighting later.

I don't bring it up because I'm suggesting there's any connection between aborting some angel talk and Mormon in-fighting, but because I find it interesting that Mormons, for all the reputations as being a bunch of stiffs, are deep into magical communication.

Or some of them are, anyway.
 
 
agent darkbootie
18:00 / 18.10.05
And I THINK this is the link to the show. I'm at work where the wireless connection sucks, so I'm afraid I don't have time to check it right now. If it's not, I apologize in advance, but just about any episode of TAL is still worth your time.


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/pages/descriptions/96/21.html
 
  
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