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Baldur's Gate 2

 
 
All Acting Regiment
16:43 / 11.10.05
Does anyone still play this? I have been, and it's good. Despite it's age it still has the largest single player RPG world ever made, thousands+ of weapons etc. Nice big dragons as well.

Hopefully we can get a thread going for general discussion of the game, but obviously only if others are interested, so I'll leave this opening post fairly short for now and we'll see what happens.
 
 
ZF!
17:15 / 11.10.05
I've always been interested in The Baldurs Gate games, but never got around to playing them. Thought the world looked a bit too generic. I understand the Icewind Dale experience was quite similar to that of Baldurs Gate and I didn't like Icewind Dale that much at all.

I dunno I do have a thing for Interplay RPG's though. How would you rate Baldurs Gate 2 against Fallout/Fallout2 and Planescape:Torment? I love all of those.

Z
 
 
couch
18:42 / 11.10.05
IWD was pants compared to BGII.

Both it and the follow up Throne of Bhaal were fantastic games. The whole inter-party dynamic was missing from the IWD games, and they really really added to the whole experience.

"Go for the throat BOOO! Go for the throat!"
 
 
All Acting Regiment
03:13 / 12.10.05
To answer your question, yes, it is an entirely generic world, full of cliche and anachronism. Just what you'd expect from D&D. However, the strength of the actual playing experience manages to cut through all of that, and it all looks pretty. As well, a lot of the plotlines are very dark- I've jsut killed a tanner wh owas selling human skin to The Skin Dancer. Who when I ran him out of town, he went to then earest village and stole the skin of a young virgin, and tried to seduce me while the poor girl herself was in his old skin.

Um.

To give you an idea of the scope, and, admittedly, to show off a bit:

At the moment I'm playing a human druid shapechanger. He spends most of his time in what is technically known as "Werewolf Form" but I prefer the phrase "Big Fucking Wolf That Can Do Vampiric HP Grab Thingy And Also Strength Upper Thingy (And Some Other Cool Stuff)". I just love watching him swing through goblins etc like a knife through hot butter, rolling up their green corpses like leaves caught up on a very furry, very angry, very nature-lovin' Katamari Damacy.

On the other hand, theres the character I refer to as "The Twisted Nicker" (tm). He's an Elven mage/theif dual classer (you can do this, and non humans can even go three classes). He has a magic robe that lets him do a spell in an instant without more than a few milliseconds casting delay. Thus, he can wander aound in the shadows unseen (theif skill), wander up to a Big Magic Bad, pluck whatever nice weapons/spells they've got from their pockets then just do much burn suddenly, and then walk off.
 
 
Mistoffelees
07:51 / 12.10.05
I played the first one, and it was a ot of fun! RPGs are my favourite PC games (apart from my No.1 = CIV), and that was a wonderful RPG.

But two complaints:

I couldn´t walk freely in the world, which is stupid (I loved just roaming around Britannia like a tourist in Ultima 7 for example).

And it was way to hard:
- that green insect monster pretty early in the game.
- Later those bunch of wizards in the big city. Game over for me, there was no way to beat them for me.

And that´s why I´ve never played BG 2 (yet). I´m afraid it´s as difficult to play as the first one.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
08:23 / 12.10.05
IMO the BG series is weighted way too heavily towards the Fighty classes. I found BG2 really hard to play as a mage, whereas I steamed both games as a fighter.

There are some gameplay gripes, but I have an enormous affection for the series. I think it's the character interactions that really make it, the way the games' creators have tried to give a sense of bonding between the player and the NPCs. The romances are kinda sweet too (apart from the whole "choose between het or het" thing. And the fact that chicks can only get off with Anomen *ick ptah feh yuk*).
 
 
All Acting Regiment
15:07 / 12.10.05
And that´s why I´ve never played BG 2 (yet). I´m afraid it´s as difficult to play as the first one.

I can see why you might think this, but because there's such a range of options you cna always tool up your party differently. For example, in the first level of the first dungeon (where you start), you'll potentially fight an ogre mage, an otyugh, and a group of three golems, plus others. It's a challenge, but not impossible.

And my wolfman just killed a Mindflayer in two shots.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
15:15 / 12.10.05
And that´s why I´ve never played BG 2 (yet). I´m afraid it´s as difficult to play as the first one.

I'm pretty sure I recall a dificulty slider as well, which - if you'd rather not use it all the time - can be cranked down for just the tricky fight(s), then put back again afterwards...

...however, I always found the fights - especially the plot-centric ones - to be a case of trial and error. If one type of party configuration and/or attack strategy didn't work, I just reshuffled everything about and tried another. Pretty much every type of fight has a certain combination of weaknesses that can be exploited with a little patience and thought.
 
 
Lurid Archive
19:13 / 12.10.05
Gamebanshee has a feature on BG 2 which is maybe worth a look (yum, Bodhi wallpaper, um).

I think that what they say is right. BG2 is the CRPG that all CRPGs get compared to. Its huge and involving, with voice acting to die for and a game that has had a huge impact on the industry. I look at Kotor as the game that BG2 made possible, for instance, albeit a populist and flawed evolution. BG2 is the game that makes me think that all this 3D stuff is overrated and probably often innapropriate.

I think the difficulty in BG2 is about right (though increasing it on subsequent playthroughs is always good) which pretty much means that it is hardcore beardy gaming. Its not as bad as the impossible 80s style games, but you find that the game requires you to work a little. You'd have thought that a hardcore D&D game like this would have really limited appeal but there are lots of extremely dedicated fans of the game who, if I am not mistaken, continue to produce mods for it even though BG2 was never deasigned to be modded.

I think you can argue that Planescape was a better game, in terms of having richer characters but BG2 is an immensely satisfying experience which immerses you in a way that few other games do. I'd rank as one of my favourite games of all time. As long as you have time to burn and the geekiness to get involved in computer romances with sadistic dark elves, then you can't really beat BG2.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
07:51 / 14.03.07
I too have found BG1 to be annoyingly difficult. Levelling up seems to take an age compared to Neverwinter Nights. The plotline is also a bit floppy. But everyone raves about BG2. Should I play it?
 
  
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