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Marvel Boy as part of the Ultimates "Universe"

 
  

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adamswish
10:50 / 05.10.05
Flicking through the issue of Wizard with the All-Star Superman preview I found myself reading the Ultimate Universe report.

Interesting little side panel mentions that Marvel are "now" saying that Grant's Marvel Boy can be counted as the first story set in the Ultimate Universe.

Is this a new thing or has more tuned in fans know this for awhile. I just found it a bit of a surprise (although I have no idea why as I figured that MB hadn't landed in the regular 616 Universe) and wondered what others thought of this (I guess) retro-tie-in...
 
 
Mario
14:14 / 05.10.05
It's been a theory for a while, but there are definite problems.

1) The Avengers are specifically namechecked. NOT the Ultimates.

2) The FF (who appear in one panel) definitely resemble their 616 counterparts, more than the Ultimate version. (Reed is described as a professor)

3) The villain of the piece wears a set of old-school Iron Man armor, and the reason he has it was explained in an IM Annual in 2000.

4) The Kree are a known alien race, as are the Skrulls (not the Chitauri).

Quite honestly, it always struck me as wishful thinking, which is why I rejected that assertion in my Marvel Boy FAQ.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
14:18 / 05.10.05
The only people who have ever said this is true was Wizard. Wizard ran a piece a long time back talking about how Marvel Boy dosen't fit in the normal Marvel U because the Kree are different (no shit, they're an alrernate reality's Kree) and it just doesn't "feel" like an MU book.

However, given that the majority of the evidence points to this being utter bollocks, Wizard keeps hyping it anyway. Cause they're awesome comics journalists.
 
 
Tim Tempest
14:34 / 05.10.05
Marvel Boy being the first Ultimate U book? I don't really believe that. I really like Ultimate Spidey...and that seems to cover everything in the Ultimate U. He meets everybody, and if he doesn't meet them, they are somehow referenced, and Marvel Boy has never come up.

It should just be a cool and original alternate reality story and leave it at that. It doesn't have to "fit in" anywhere.

And Ultimate Adventures? Good God man...what were they thinking?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:53 / 05.10.05
I'm writing letters to Wizard and Marvel about all of this, right now. I'm writing one with each hand, and typing this wioh my bose,
 
 
Bastard Tweed
15:57 / 05.10.05
And Ultimate Adventures? Good God man...what were they thinking?

Yeah, what was that thing? I picked up an issue, felt cold and alienated within the space of a few seconds, and put it back down again.

Seriously, what was that book supposed to be about?
 
 
Mario
16:33 / 05.10.05
Ultimate Adventures = "I want to write Batman, but DC doesn't return my calls"
 
 
Tim Tempest
17:30 / 05.10.05
*Hahaha.

*In response to the accuracy of the above 2 posts.
 
 
pvodra
18:38 / 05.10.05
I can't remember where, but I do remember hearing that there was a book set in the Ultimate Universe that hadn't explicitly been indicated as such. Probably Joe Q said it. I remember hearing that Marvel Boy was the most likely candidate, but I don't remember hearing any other theories. So if not Marvel Boy, what book is it?
 
 
Mario
19:05 / 05.10.05
I've never actually heard any other candidates. And the last time someone asked Quesada (in one of his Newsarama things) he was coy about it.

I'm not sure it matters, anyway. MARVEL BOY worked best as a mini unto itself, free of the rigor of continuity.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
19:45 / 05.10.05
Marvel Boy is to the Ultimate universe as Adam-X is to the Summers brothers. Simple, profound and utterly meaningless.
 
 
A
14:05 / 06.10.05
I just heard that John Byrne is going to be writing a new ongoing "Ultimate" title that will explain all the continuity problems arising from Marvel Boy being set in the Ultimate universe. Awesome!
 
 
matsya
23:02 / 06.10.05
Okay, I would say the presence of SHIELD in their 616 guise, all dumdum dugan and the helicarrier that doesn't look like spaceship yamamoto, would pretty much rule that one out.
 
 
The Falcon
23:31 / 06.10.05
Yeah, Wizard's been touting that rubbish for ages. I read it a couple years ago on a flick through.

Anyway, you know, I got back into comics hard about 5 or 6 years ago, and thought it'd be worth checking out - which, I'm ashamed to say, I did for more than one month - but in the end, it's just fucking dreadful and so full of shit.

Really.
 
 
Mario
11:39 / 07.10.05
The _only_ thing WIZARD is good for is the occasional sneak preview. And those usually hit the Net soon afterwards anyway

It wouldn't surprise me, tho, if Quesada decides to retroactively place Noh-Varr in the Ultimate Universe. I've noticed that plot inconsistencies rarely bother him.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
12:45 / 07.10.05
Petey Shaftoe;

Once you have finished your letter to Wizard and Marvel about this, could you possibly post a draft of it on here? I would like to read it, and I'm sure that other people would as well!
 
 
FinderWolf
00:19 / 08.10.05
Bendis recently said in a newsarama interview that the second Marvel Boy series proposed by Grant and supposedly nixed by Bill Jemas was supposed to be firmly, clearly set in the Ultimate Universe. Then they would say that the first series was set in the Ultimate U. retroactively.
 
 
Mario
00:50 / 08.10.05
I may just have found a justification for Bill Jemas's existence....
 
 
Henningjohnathan
22:12 / 12.10.05
Perhaps they just meant "in spirit" MARVEL BOY is the first Ultimate title, because, as ably noted time and again, to take it as actually set in the Ultimate Marvel U requires a labotomy (and you'd still have to be drunk or high).
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
06:04 / 13.10.05
No, it's definitely not the Ulti-U, but it's also not 616. The FF are mentioned as having just returned from "The Positive Zone," and The Bannermen would seem to be the product of Bruce Banner having actually intentionally created and developed voluntary Hulkism, or at least publicly credited with their genesis.

The other thing that makes this more in the 616 camp is that there was a proposed "Marvel Boy: Agent of SHIELD" idea in the Marvel Knights Millennial Visions one-shot.
 
 
This Sunday
07:10 / 13.10.05
It does not have to conform with any Ultimate-continuity that was created after it. But I still don't think it was an Ultimate book.

As far as the little things go, that people use to throw it out of the 616:

FF in Positive Zone - What? They can't? It's Reed fucking Richards and all! This is what the FF do to keep from getting bored. When there isn't a cosmo-monster to punch and burn and cart off somewhere... which leads to a strange new land of exploring, anyway.

The Bannermen - Again, we accept Weapon Plus as being in the 616, and there's little difference in terms of beauracratic government-weapon people-making. 'Conspiracy' and elsewhere has held that Hulk may have been created by the government, and if not, his amok running was engineered and permitted by the military as an excuse for cool new toys.
Anyhow, I don't see anything that implies that Hulk was a military intentional job. Anybody can backtrack and pick up the pieces of something... given know-how, money, and tech.
They're called the Bannermen for the flag-nature, more than for Brucie, aren't they?

Midas is 616 *now* if not when the series came out.

There is, in fact, nothing I can dredge up that securely invalidates or decimates the possibility that the series is very simply absorbable into the 616 continuity.

The rule that nothing can happen to a guest-character without it being referenced in their home book... it's a stupid rule. If Spider-Man spits on somebody's head from six-storeys up in Fantastic Four Plus Crystal, I don't care that it's not mentioned in Spectacular Not-Sleeping-With-Gwen #127. If he shows up there with horns and a fish in his mouth, and nowhere else, ever again, I may begin to wonder... but then my hypertime sense will twitch and vibrate me into Earth 23 where it was all alright.
If it needs to be crowbarred into continuity that's one thing - maybe - but 'Marvel Boy' slides in perfectly reasonably and simply. Child of Horus you were just made for... well, that too, but 616 continuity and no concern about it, foremost.
And every universe needs girls running around, named after torture restraints, with a gold bullet between her teeth and a weird light-force-blade-shooty weapon. Especially the mainstream Marvelverse. And possibly the post-InfiniChistResurreCrisis DCU
 
 
John Octave
14:39 / 13.10.05
I always took the line about the Positive Zone to mean that the story was taking place in the Negative Zone. 'Cos, like, isn't the Negative Zone just the anti-matter version of our universe? The 616 people all live in the Positive Zone without ever calling it that, and Negative Reed was just like the anti-matter Alexander Luthor discovering a matter universe in "Earth-2." JLA = Positive Zone, CSA = Negative Zone
 
 
Mario
17:27 / 13.10.05
The way I see it, why couldn't there be a Positive Zone? Reed probably finds new dimensions in his breakfast cereal.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:01 / 13.10.05
Doesn't Reed Richards mention finding a Positive Zone at the end of the Marvel Knights: Fantastic Four 1,2,3,4 series?
 
 
Mario
21:17 / 13.10.05
No, he discovers the "Quintasphere". But it's the same sort of thing. As Johnny says on that very same page: "Aww man I love all these new higher realities."
 
 
This Sunday
00:55 / 14.10.05
Reed shouldn't be allowed to appear in a comic without discovering a new dimension/world/civilization/giant-dishwasher. Ever. Excepting 'Unstable Molecules', maybe.
 
 
Mark Parsons
19:50 / 18.10.05
In a parallel universe, Joe Q and Jemas turned the cosmic/Scifi MU over to GM for a reboot and they got some world class coolness that spilled over into a line-wide revamp.

Seriously, when I reread MB in tpb, I was amazed at the abundance of incredible throwaway ideas. Too bad V2 got nixed...
 
 
Mario
18:12 / 30.08.06
It looks like Marvel Boy (or a version of him) is back in the 616 universe.

http://popcultureshock.com/index.php?p=40177
 
 
rabideyemovement
20:42 / 30.08.06
Interesting way to bring him (sort of) back, but it was done pretty horribly. But wasn't Marvel Boy a human raised on Venus? This one was a Kree.
 
 
Henningjohnathan
20:43 / 30.08.06
A Kree "super soldier" - he's a super DIPLOMAT! Super soldiers are so twentieth century.

Why does Marvel feel the need to dumb down every good idea?
 
 
Mario
22:17 / 30.08.06
REM: Different Marvel Boy. There have been several.
 
 
Dark side of the Moonfrog1
09:22 / 31.08.06
Not sure if there's another thread on this but does anyone else think that the much vaunted 'first Ultimate story'. Is Mark Millar's 'Trouble' starring a certain Richard, Mary, May and Ben..? For some reason in my mind it just seems to fit in with Ultimate Spider-Man. What does anyone else think?
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
11:48 / 31.08.06
anybody who has the last panel of the Morrison mini in their minds may find this a sad way to bring the character back... at least for now.
 
 
Mario
14:51 / 31.08.06
I found more information on Wizard's site. I am not happy.
 
 
Triplets
14:52 / 31.08.06
Moonfrog1, can you restate your question in a form of English, please.
 
  

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