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All Acting Regiment
19:52 / 30.09.05
I'm after a digital camera so I can take photos in a general sense and also for blog/letters etc. I'd like to spend less than a £100, but I can see this might be wishful thinking. Does anyone have any tips?
 
 
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20:08 / 30.09.05
I'd be very surprised if you could get anything for that price that wasn't utter crap when new. However, my Canon IXUS 40 is one of my best friends, and has taken a hell of a beating and still works six months on (for quality of pics have a shufti here
and I see there are loads on eBay for just over £100 (£125 looks standard). It's also small enough to almost fit in a fag packet (just tested it, the shutter release sticks out too far).
 
 
One-man clique
22:01 / 30.09.05
This camera is a fucking beauty. I got one last week. Solid.
 
 
daynah
13:36 / 01.10.05
(All these prices are in american dollars, but my camera is $120 and also L133 so I'm not tooo worried about the price conversion, though maybe I should be)

I recently just bought a digital camera and, though I researched my prices in american dollars, it seems that the jump from under $100 to around $120 is a HUGE difference in product. The cameras below a hundred are... well... not that good at all for taking photography. The cameras around $120 (my camera is L113 on amazon right now) popup with settings galore, the ability to add on lenses and, basically, a good choice if you are a beginning photographer or if you ever want to become one.

But that's not quite what you want to do, now is it? If you're just going to be your average blog photography takin' pictures of friends, stay strict to your budget of under L100. You'll be wasting money otherwise on features you wont be using.

Imporant things to remember for a under L100 camera...

-Can you see the screen when it's dark?
-Does the lense have a built in cover? Chances are, you're going to be carrying this around with you (if it's a casual camera), so you'll want it to be able to protect itself.
-Is it slim enough for your purposes? BUT is it still comfortable in your hand. My Finepix E510 is slim except for the part where you hold your hand. I thought I was going to be annoyed at first but now I'm thankful. If I had one of those ultra slim cameras (like I used to, one of the ultra slim under $100 cameras) I would never be able to get a still shot. And I'd always drop it. It's a balance.
-What kind of battery do you prefer? I prefer a battery to plug in the wall, save the environment and all, but my Dad prefers just using AAs.
-How well does it do in the widest range of lighting conditions? Since it's a casual camera, you can't expect it to do well in all lighting conditions, but you need to expect it to do "medium" in at least every lighting condition you can think of. If it is a perfect camera for every lighting condition except for outdoor and then it just plain out stinks then... don't get it. Casual cameras mean you don't want to have to think about lighting conditions. Point, click and go.
-How quick does it boot up? Though I would not recommend my old Finepix A330, I loved how it started up nice and quick. I popped out out of my purse as I was sliding the cover off, took the shot, and then put it back in. Point, click, and go. My supa fancy camera, though it's much better, does not do that. I need to check at least two settings first before I can take your basic shot, and it takes longer to start up than my old one (more settings) but only by I think something like 1 second. Anyway, I notice it.
-And, do you just plain out like how the pictures look? On my old Fujifilm A330, everything was much... well... pinker. Any photographer would hate the amount of... pinkier-ness that camera added. Except for me. I'm f-in pale. And that camera made me look GOOD. It couldn't take pictures in the dark, and I couldn't see the screen in the light, but when it did take pictures, g-d I looked awesome. I looked like I had blood in my veins. Very, very, different than what I actually look like. When I got my new camera that shows the... right... colors. I was dismayed, because I was so used to... pink pictures. Now everything's white again and I'm used to everything being the right color. Think about what hues can you take a little bit of offness in (none of them are going to be perfectly accurate, I believe my E510 is still a bit pinkie, though barely noticable). You can check this out at the best website for digital camera reviews on the web, Steve's Digicams. Look at a camera you're thinking of and check out its pictures. How are you supposed to know if you like the camera or not if you don't know what pictures it takes. You can even compare cameras pictures to each other. All the cameras specs are on there.

If you do decide you want to get that extra $20 for some nice photography ability, and give yourself room to learn and grow, the Fujifilm E500 and the Canon Powershot A510 are the absolute end all to be all at that range. Those two cameras honestly give you as much as you should be getting in a $160-$170 camera. I waited till the E500 was on sale for $100, but they were sold out, so I got the E510, also on sale, for $120 (the price that the E500 normally is). You can time a nice camera to be about $100 if you're right.

But then you gotta think about warrenty. You want one. I promise you. You do. If you have a casual camera for blogging and stuff, chances are you're going to be carrying it around with you and chances are it's going to get hurt. Baddly. Get one. Two years, break it, get a new one.

Then you also need to think about adding extra memory. I don't need a lot of memory. I pop my pictures on to my camera the instant I get home (prevents other people from seeing the pr0n when they go through my purse, ya know). But if you do, add that into the total price.

If you want a case, think about it. I don't use one. My old camera broke because I didn't use one, but that's why you get the warrenty.

Sooo... that's Daynah's little diddy on Digital Cameras. At the under L/$ 100 range there are so many different varities that you really need to look at what you personally are going to enjoy... and when you find the camera that has all of them but one or two, can you take those drawbacks?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
18:26 / 01.10.05
Wow, thanks for all the info- I'll process it and return.
 
 
dubmick
14:05 / 06.07.06
to continue this conversation albeit seven months later..

I have the Canon IXUS 40 too. Nice little camera. The new IXUS 65 looks very smart...has a 3" lcd screen. Think there is one out with wi-fi too which would be very handy as I don't like usb cables hanging out all over the place.

I really don't need to get the 65 or the one with wi-fi but I still want to!
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:22 / 06.07.06
I'm thinking about buying a digital camera, too. I just want it for casual use, indoors and out. How many megapixels should I want? I'm trying to keep it under $150 if possible.
 
 
Olulabelle
12:40 / 15.08.06
Continuing the what camera theme, I want to buy a really decent digital camera. This is a once in a lifetime purchase since I've come in to a bit of cash. I need to take very macro pictures of jewellery but I would also like to take landscapes etc. I've got one already which is OK but rubbish at macro but you have to replace the batteries every thirty seconds.

Is there a what camera article that is recent which I could read? Has anyone got any advice?

Help me Barbelith, I would have asked my Dad because he was a professional photographer, but alas he cannot help me from beyond the grave.
 
 
Olulabelle
12:41 / 15.08.06
P.S, I am prepared to pay for a good one, it doesn't need to be cheap.
 
 
netbanshee
14:00 / 15.08.06
There's a few things I look at when considering a digital camera: size, storage size and file format, I/O connection and the sensor size to megapixel relationship.

What kind of camera are you looking to pick up... something suited for candid shots or something that you'll lug around looking for and setting up photographs? Compact and ultra-compacts have gotten much better over the last few years and can have good performance for the dollar. If you're more serious about it, then you'd look at a full bodied camera with interchangeable lenses and a bigger feature set.

In terms of storage, I would look at getting a card no less than 1gb. At high settings, it's quite easy to fill up a card with photos. I would also look at a camera that supports RAW format if you're going for higher-end photos.

For your I/O connection, make sure it is a USB2 or Firewire connection. USB2 should be fairly common now so it shouldn't be a bother. Regular USB is very slow though.

Here's the biggie, sensor size and megapixels. Megapixels are the newest line of bs you will find out there from camera companies. 7mp compacts that lack all of the quality optics and a sensor you're looking for. You'll want to find a camera with a good sensor size to megapixel ratio, otherwise the quality will be less than desirable.

Here's an article on Creative Pro that covers the above info.

Here are some models that you could start your search with:
Casio Exilim Zoom EX-Z750
Kodak EasyShare P880
Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT
 
 
nameinuse
14:20 / 15.08.06
Depending on quite how once-in-a-lifetime you mean, you could look at a digital SLR with a decent macro lens (you could do this from about £600 to roughly infinity), or if you're feeling even more extravagent and want to produce pictures for print, you could look at a medium format camera, but they're in the price of a small car bracket.

So, for fairly sensible but still exciting, if you wanted to spend under a thousand pounds, you could get the Canon 350D SLR (Digital Rebel XT in america), a compact flash card, a decent tripod, and the Canon 100mm f2.8 Macro prime lens. That'll give you a camera you can use for other things, too (with other lenses). I've got a 350D myself, and I love it to bits. The other, (slightly cheaper) choice would be the Nikon D50, or slightly more would be the Nikon D80 (it's just been released so is probably impossible to get hold of). You might be able to get a Nikon D70s for similar money to the Canon, now, as it's the one that's just been replaced by the D80. There's also a Sony DSLR out now, but I don't know much about that.

If this is the kind of thing you had in mind, Olulabelle, let me know and I'll go into more detail. If I'm off in the wrong direction I'll save myself some typing, and everyone else some reading (well, scanning over, anyway).
 
 
Saveloy
10:06 / 16.08.06
I'm after something in the 100 - 250 quid range that takes good macro pictures as well as yer standard snaps, and performs well in artificial light. Any suggestions?

Somebody suggested the Sony Cybershot N1, but I was a bit disappointed with the macro range - couldn't focus on anything less than about 4 or 5 inches away. I could probably live with that, but I'd prefer to be able to get closer (if it's poss with a compact cam).
 
 
Olulabelle
10:18 / 16.08.06
Nameinuse, it is the kind of thing I had in mind, and if that's how much they cost then so be it. I have a really good tripod already so I wouldn't need to buy one of those. I originally thought I'd probably have to spend about £500 for the camera and lens but I've been thinking about it and I suppose the more you spend the better you get.

I used to have a Pentax K1000 with a tokina 28/70 lens and I loved that dearly, took it everywhere. Then about six years ago it broke and I have only ever had silly snappy digital cameras since. I'm rubbish at them and the one I have annoys me. I didn't even know you could get individual lenses for digital cameras, that's how clueless I am about these things.

So yes, I stupidly don't know what a flash card does. Is that like an ordinary flash?

How do these cameras you are mentioning charge up? I like the sound of the Canons partly because I think my Dad bought a Canon just before he died three years ago. I think his cost about £6000 all in with everything though!

The macro pictures I will be taking are of the silversmithing I do and ideally I am then going to upload them to a website. Just for info.
 
 
Olulabelle
10:40 / 16.08.06
Banshee, that article is brilliant, really helpful for people like me who are a bit clueless when it comes to digital cameras. Thank you so much for the link.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
10:45 / 16.08.06
The one I got was ace, by the way, cheers for the advice. Albeit seven months later.
 
 
Olulabelle
10:53 / 16.08.06
I'm going to London tomorrow (yay) so I'm going to buy one there. Where's the bestest Jessops? I'm too afraid to go to Tottenham Court Road because they always try to sell you something you don't need.
 
 
The Strobe
11:28 / 16.08.06
Olulabelle - if you're looking to buy a DSLR, I'd strongly recommend not buying one in a shop. I bought my D50 from Warehouse Express, who are polite, long-established, and good quality. I saved about £130 and it was delivered next day, beautifully packed. (Disclaimer: their prices are not quite as bargainous as they used to be; Jessops is currently pushing hard against internet prices).

That said, I'd strongly recommend trying one out in a shop. The Canon 350D is a nice camera, but I find it small and fiddly. The grip is too small for my hands - the shutter button's in the wrong place - but the rest of the camera is very compact. The Nikon D50 is larger, but I found it a more comfortable fit. Plus I preferred the user interface.

Anyhow, about £400 will get you a D50 with the kit lens; the kit lens is "ok", but if you want to do *proper* macro... you're looking at quite expensive macro lenses. About £200 for the cheapest Sigma macro lens, but £300 is a better bet.

Compact digital cameras do have better macro for less money, unfortunately. However, they have obvious downsides.

So: consider *just how close* you need to get. My 50mm prime lens (no macro) focuses down to about a foot, which is actually perfectly acceptable for a lot of closeup stuff, but if your silverwork is really tiny - earrings, etc... it wouldn't be enough. There and again, £300 on a lens that might sell you a lot of work may be a wise investment.

(Also: macro lenses make lovely portrait lenses).

So that's a rough outline. Again, like nameinuse, feel free to PM or ask further questions here. At a guess, £800 would get you a low-end DSLR with a "standard" kit lens, and a seperate nice macro lens. You might also want to consider getting a "proper" flashgun (about £150 from Hong Kong via mail order, about £200+ in shops) as well - the on-board flash is hard to control and if there's not enough natural light for your close-ups, flash you can't bounce/diffuse might kill them.

(By "low-end", incidentally, I mean the entry level ones, but they'll be every bit as good as your K1000 - the SLR bodies are all so much of a muchness; they all take fine, high quality pictures, and allow you to attach remarkably good lenses. The extra money goes into higher quality sensors, more buttons, more indestructible cases more convenience features. I didn't want you to get the idea I meant "cruddy").
 
 
nameinuse
12:04 / 16.08.06
If we're roughly in the area you're interested in, I'll comment on a Canon way of going and let True Palefax give you more specifics about the Nikon. They're both great cameras, and you're unlikely to be disappointed by either. I went into a shop expecting to buy a Nikon D70s and walked out with a 350D, so you really can't tell until you get hold of them and take a couple of snaps (don't be afraid to do that in the shop - fiddle as much as you like to be sure). Jessops also negotiate (and usually price-match) based on web prices for DSLRs, so find some british shops online(of the sort you'd consider ordering from, not dodgy cheap Hong Kong places) and take printouts for your two most likely camera purchases, then see what deal they'll do you.

BTW Compact Flash is just the kind of memory that the 350D uses. It's quite big, and an older standard, but works fine for the purposes of a DSLR. Assuming that you're shooting RAW (i.e. using a "digital negative" - it's probably what you want for best results) you'll fit just over 150 shots per gigabyte of Compact Flash card from the Canon camera. If you've a studio set up you can also shoot directly to a computer, through USB.

Shooting for the web is good news, it's a (relatively) undemanding medium to shoot. If you've already got the tripod, a lens and lighting are going to be your next considerations. Depending quite how close I wanted to get, I'd choose between the two Canon Macro primes (a prime is a fixed lens, it doesn't zoom, so it's only described with one focal length (e.g. 50mm))

Canon EF-S 60mm f2.8 Macro £250-£300 online
Canon EF 100mm f2.8 Macro £300-£350 online

The 100mm is a lovely lens, it's next on my wishlist, though the 60mm is cheaper, and nearly as good (as well as being a bit more compact, if you want to use it for portrait shots and out-and-about too). If you can, take some pieces of the type you'd like to photograph and try a trial-shot in the shop, see what suits best. There are cheaper ones, but both the Canons represent pretty good value for money.

As for lighting, macro flashes are excitingly expensive, but you've got the advantage that your subject won't be moving (macro flashes are the kind of thing insect photographers need), so you have the luxury of longer exposure times. You can probably get away with domestic lighting of some sort (not using a flash at all), carefully arranged (maybe halogen angle-poise?) and maybe a small photography tent (it's how it sounds, it's just a foot-square white cube with five sides filled in, and will give you a nice neutral background for your stuff (the advantage of the tent is that highly polished stuff doesn't pick up reflections from the rest of the room, too)). You might also want to do similar with black, depending on your needs.

For some background on digital photography, Dan's Data and Digital Photography Review are both good places to start.
 
 
Saveloy
10:37 / 18.08.06
Has anyone got anything negative to say about the Canon Ixus 60? I had a play with the Ixus 750 yesterday and the macro on that is fan-f***ing-tastic. I understand that the only real difference between it and the 750 is the number of pixels. Any reasons I shouldn't get it?
 
 
nameinuse
13:35 / 18.08.06
Pixel count on compact cameras is mostly marketing anyway, as you'll never capture the level of detail that the size of the image would suggest with such a small lens. In fact, less pixels can be better, as the sensors are often less noisey. I don't know about the two cameras specifically, but if that's all that's between them, I'd get the one with the lower pixel-count.
 
 
Saveloy
10:48 / 21.08.06
Thanks, that's the one I've gone for. Cheaper, too.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:01 / 29.08.06
Thank you ever so much for all your advice. I went to Jessops and I spent about two hours with a very nice men who let me look through all the macro lenses at pennies, and I ended up buying the Canon EOS 350D because they had it on sale and which also came with a bag, and I bought a Sigma macro lens which says 105mm 1;2;8 DGMacro on the side.

I also bought a 1gb memory card which was half price and a flash gun.

Then my uncle gave me one of those tent things and I took a picture of my sisters ring in it at the weekend and it's ALL ACE! So thank you again, thank you so much. I nearly cried in the shop because I didn't have my Dad there and I was just about to wail, "I wish my Dad was here because he'd know which one to buy" and then I realised I was perfectly capable of undertaking the transaction myself what with all my newfound knowledge and I pulled myself together.
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
00:42 / 29.12.06
I am also looking to buy a camera.
I have been researching, by which I mean, I've decided I want to get a Canon a710is, and have been reading articles which tell me how good it is.

But I can't bring myself to read articles about anything else, because there's too many of them (this despite selling cameras being a small but definitely present part of my job, and this being something I should really already know).

So! Does anyone have any advice/warnings/suggestions in the same general range as the a710IS?

Things I am impressed with and want to keep: 6x optical zoom, which includes 1cm macro (1cm!!), optical image stabilising, because I am a shaky-handed personage, running off AA batteries, resolution 5MP or above, and manual control of shutter speed etc.

I'd say price no object, but it really is. Ideally this camera would cost me about $100AU, but actually about $450 is my upper limit (which is ~$350US and ~180 pounds).

Thanks!
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
00:49 / 29.12.06
Oh, I forgot to add:
Lula, were you using standard alkaline batteries in your previous camera, which was eating them like candy?

If so, switching to lithium batteries (not rechargeable ones, things like the energiser e2 lithium ones) usually helps, and gets you something like several hundred photos. The change from low-power draw in on but not doing anything mode, to massive power draw in actively taking a photo mode, kills alkaline batteries dead, even though they have still got the same power levels, in terms of milliwatt hours (or whatever). Lithium batteries or NiMH rechargeable batteries will work wonders for the usable time of a digital camera...

Not that this is really relevant now that you have a lovely EOS 350D, however, unless you've handed the other one down for someone else to play with.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:04 / 29.12.06
Can I just say that I fucking love Lula's story, there? It just makes me feel very warm and frothy. In a good way, obvs.

Annyway - the Canon Powershot 600 range - the Ixus 60 and 65, in the UK, are on my list of potential purchases. The only real competition is the tiny Sony Cybershot DSC-T9, because it's available at Morgan for £199, and I have a £60 credit note, bringing the cost roughly in line with an IXUS 60. I'm simply not a good or dedicated enough photographer to justify getting anything more sophisticated.

However, I've also been wondering about getting a digital camcorder, but am aware that they are a bit bulky and I would not generally carry them around... so am thinking that a tapeless hybrid like the Sanyo Xacti (the low-res, SD-card number) might be preferable to buying a new ultracompact _and_ a digital camcorder, in terms both of expense and of convenience. Hmmm...
 
 
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11:54 / 29.12.06
Well, the video on the Ixus isn't too shabby as long as you have a good 1Gb of memory. There used to be the problem that because they could only output the weird proprietary MJPG format you couldn't edit them, but the DivX converter can now deal with them, which is how I managed to post this video of a recent gig (warning, quite loud).
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
22:32 / 29.12.06
I got a digital camera for Xmas, which i'd been wanting for several years, and was incredibly excited about, until i got home this evening and found out that the software for it won't install on my computer, because it's too old (1998)... apparently it will only install on Windows 2000 or XP, and i definitely can't afford a new computer or to buy a new Windows (in addition to which, my computer probably isn't new or powerful enough to run XP, and Windows 2000 doesn't seem to be available to buy any more)...

Is there anything i can do? My camera is pretty much no use to me unless i can store the photos...
 
 
Smoothly
22:57 / 29.12.06
I believe the software packaged with most digital cameras is generally quite shitty. I've owned a few cameras and never used the software that came with.
Have you tried just plugging it into your PC with the USB cable and dragging the data off manually?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:57 / 29.12.06
Hoom. Does your PC have USB ports? If so, the easiest thing to do might be to get a memory card reader which does have Windows 98 drivers available, and then use that to transfer photos by physically removing the memory card from the camera and putting it in the card reader.
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
23:11 / 29.12.06
a memory card reader which does have Windows 98 drivers available

Being a bit of a technophobe i have no real concept of what one of those is - i presume a piece of hardware? Have you got a link to one anywhere online, and how much roughly would one cost?

Is there maybe generic software which would do the same things as the software that comes with the computer, and might be possible to download from somewhere (like, shareware or something)?

My computer does have USB ports (at least, i think that's what they are, they're not marked as such, but they look like them), but i'm not sure if the photos are already in .jpg file form on the memory card, or if the camera software is needed to convert them into such (sorry, as you can see i'm appallingly ignorant of computer stuff)...
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
23:16 / 29.12.06
edit: it is a USB port, since the camera can connect to it, but there doesn't seem to be any way of accessing the camera/memory card itself from Windows, unless i'm missing something incredibly obvious (which, i admit, is likely)...
 
 
Smoothly
23:35 / 29.12.06
They probably are jpegs, nataraja.
I don't remember how Windows 98 works, but can you navigate to 'My Computer' or something similar? USB devices should show up there (along with your hardrive, diskdrives etc). Double-click on that and it should give up its contents.
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
23:47 / 29.12.06
98 is pretty bad with generic usb drivers, most of the time. Haus is probably right to suggest getting a card reader with specific 98 drivers, because otherwise you probably won't be able to make your computer see the thing.

I hope this is not tremendously condescending, but: make sure, when you've plugged the camera in, that you turn it on, otherwise your computer won't know it's there. Once you do that, there should be a bunch of prompts and so on to find drivers or whatever, but you can ignore them if there's no 98 drivers, and just look in my computer, to see if it's there, as suggested above.
 
 
ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!!
23:50 / 29.12.06
Also, a memory card reader is something like this (don't be put off by the price, that review is from 01, and they cost a whole bunch less, now, that's just one I found with 98 compatibility)
 
 
Hydra vs Leviathan
11:28 / 30.12.06
make sure, when you've plugged the camera in, that you turn it on, otherwise your computer won't know it's there. Once you do that, there should be a bunch of prompts and so on to find drivers or whatever, but you can ignore them if there's no 98 drivers, and just look in my computer, to see if it's there, as suggested above.

I did that, but i think rather than prompts for drivers there was just a box saying something like "New Device: cannot find drivers for this device: unknown device", and there was nothing new in My Computer that i could see.

How much would a memory card reader cost nowadays then? Would one be easily available from your average small/independent PC/PC repair shop?
 
  

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