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Bob Dylan- Scorsese loves him, why don't you?

 
  

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Quantum
08:30 / 29.09.05
Bob Dylan.

Aaaah, Bob, so much to say, where to start?

OK recently there's been a spate of Dylan publicity in the UK press because of the Scorsese documentary (I didn't see it, boo) and the book of photos from before he was famous (links later if anyone wants 'em) so I'm riding the interest to talk about Bob.
I'll be frank, I've been a massive Dylan fan since I was in my mother's womb so I have a biased eye, but even I can see that 'Street Legal' was a bit pants while 'Freewheeling' is better than the White Album.

So, what's your favourite Bob album/song/anecdote? If you don't like him GET OUT OF MY THREAD! No, I mean, why not?
 
 
All Acting Regiment
09:27 / 29.09.05
I've never heard him and so can't comment on his music, but I want to pre-empt any Bob-bashing by suggesting that the reason people who don't like him don't is actually nothing to with his music, and everything to do with the fact that everyone seems to talk about him in hushed, reverant tones without going into detail about what they actually like about him (this is no criticism of you, Quantum). See also Nirvana, Beatles, perhaps the Velvet Underground though I think maybe less so with the VU. Also tripping, I guess. We instinctively run from other people's idols.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
10:00 / 29.09.05
So many goodies to choose from. I plump for a love song he wrote for the soundtrack of Oliver Stone's Natural Born Killers called You Belong To Me.

That's my sentimental choice but it really should be (top three) :
1 Subterranean Homesick Blues
2 Blowin' In The Wind (although I prefer the Marlene Dietrich version)
3 Leopard Skin Pill Box Hat (which I once saw Justin Bond do at the Soho Theatre, wearing the very same Pill Box Hat belonging to Edie Sedgwick that inspired the song)

As for the excellent recent Scorsese documentary, did you see Joan Baez? That woman must have a spooky portrait in the attic. She looked great! And she must be about 105 years old.
 
 
Loomis
10:14 / 29.09.05
Joan was quite funny also, particularly her brilliant Bob impersonation. She should take that on the road.

I enjoyed the doco because of the chance to see all the footage, but I thought ol' Marty did a pretty average job. The way he kept cutting back to the "Bob goes electric" bits, making that the focus of the film, was really annoying, especially as it was twice as loud as the rest of it. Why didn't he just show the performance in full?

Seeing the young Dylan get annoyed at all the self-righteous interviewers was hilarious.

"How many protest singers are there around at the moment?"
"About 136."
"Are you sure about that?"
"Uh, it could be 142."

Priceless.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:28 / 29.09.05
You are so right. She looked fantastic. I mean, I would, y'know?

OK, Bob Dylan. For the last few years of my life I have taken to saying that I am "Saving Bob Dylan 'til I'm thirty". This being for a couple of reasons. One is that in my current job (music distribution) I simply have far to much stuff to listen to which has been neglected and ignored in it's own lifetime and (being a relentless obscurist) I enjoy championing this stuff and finding out about it rather than sticking to more established artists/albums.

Look at it this way, you won't find any Dylan albums in my record collection but you'll find practically everything Amon Duul ever did. This is not to make me look big and clever (I think) but rather, I like stuff that has that aura of secrecy about it. Turning people on to stuff that they haven't heard is one of the reasons I get such a kick out of music.

The other thing is that I am not generally drawn to stuff that is Lyrically focused. I am more attracted to that "vocals as another instrument" idea. I simply don't focus on lyrics for a great deal of time. Bob Dylan himself once said that that he was "No melodicist". His stuff tends to come more from the folk idea of lyrics as a form of reportage.

Also I'm saving him 'til I'm thirty 'cos, let's face it, his music isn't going anywhere, is it? It's encased in amber for future generations to marvel at for time immemorial, whereas The Monks (for example) need protecting from the cruel arrows of obscurity.

Yeah, that's right, I'm a HEROIC music consumer.
 
 
ZF!
10:30 / 29.09.05
I actually didn't like the documentary, thought It was a bit boring and Bob came across as a bit of an anus. Then again, I don't really follow much of his music which is strange I suppose, since I'm a big Neil Young fan.

What I did like about the documentary was seeing all of Bob's influences, cazy cool stuff there.

I should probably make more of an effort with Mr. Zimmerman though.

Z
 
 
Quantum
10:57 / 29.09.05
I once heard on the radio, by chance, an interview with the guy who shouted "JUDAS!" at that gig.

He felt betrayed because the quality of the sound was shite, the acoustics of the hall were so poor the crowd vould barely hear anything, the vocals were drowned out by the poor electric noise because the levels were misjudged. It wasn't so much that Bob went electric but that the Bob fans couldn't hear him properly because of bad planning and sound engineering. The crowd agreed with him.

Nuneaton you Savage- did you know you can fit all of Dylan's back catalogue (except the live shows) on 25 CDs? You know those barrels of 25 blank CDs you can get, you can fill one of those and have a Barrel Of Bob, which handily acronymises to B.O.B.- I have one, if you're really lucky I'll lend it to you. Aren't you 30 now?
 
 
Saveloy
11:02 / 29.09.05
"No, I mean, why not?"

I positively loathe Bob Dylan, for the following reasons:

1. His voice. I do like dodgy voices - MES and David Yow for instance - but Dylan's nasal squeeze really grates.

The delivery, also; the way he wibble-wobbles about but in a really tight-arsed manner, like a prissy jelly rushing through a narrow corridor, trying to give off some "couldn't care less" vibe. Pah! And when he stresses a word he turns it into a spindly, dried-up turd, spat from the mouth of an anal miser. "I can't keep you in but I won't give you the satisfaction of leaving by the exit of your choice. Nerr!"

2. No tunes. How many Bob Dylan tunes can yer average music fan name? Not many, I bet. There's Mister Tambourine Man, and "the one with the words on the cards", and that's about it.

3. Broadsheet critics and male literary types *worship* him and mention him at every available opportunity, lauding him as a poet and a genius etc. I have a pathological hatred of broadsheet music critics and I'm a terrible inverted snob generally, so this makes Dylan Satan as far as I'm concerned. Actually, this is probably the reason I hate Dylan, rather than simply dislike him. Terrible, but there it is, that's my reason.
 
 
haus of fraser
12:04 / 29.09.05
No tunes. How many Bob Dylan tunes can yer average music fan name?
The Times They are a Changin', Blowin In The wind, Hard Rain's, Gonna Fall, Knockin on Heavens Door, Lay Lady Lay, Just Like a Woman, all along The Freekin watchtower!!!

LIKE A ROLLING STONE!!!

Absolute Bonefide classic pop songs- just showing yer own Naivety Sav!

I was a late convert to Dylan- getting into him over the last 3-4 years, personally I can take or leave the early folk stuff but I adore 'Blonde on Blonde' & 'Blood on The Tracks'- Blonde on Blonde is definitely a really really good starting point for those wanting a consistently great album (I like Highway 61 revisited- but its not the best whole piece of work IMHO) I own about 5 albums- most are good a couple are great and only one i have i thought was shit (slow Train Coming- £1 second hand- 1 play- rubbish!).

You can pick up most of the good albums for about 5.99 every time HMV have a sale- or if your in london the Berwick street record shops generally sell them at a good price- I may get 'Bringing it all back home today' as its one i'm missing and the documentary reminded me how good a song Maggies Farm is...

Anybody seen him live recently? My brother saw him about 10 years ago and really hated his reworkings of tunes- any other thoughts?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
12:20 / 29.09.05
'Suze - The Cough Song'. Classic. A 12 bar blues jingle jangle, followed by a polite, but persistent, cough.

Gynius.

"Mr. Dylan, what are your songs about?"

"Some are about 6 minutes, others are about 3 minutes".

"And what advice do you have for your fans?"

"Keep a good head, and always carry a lightbulb"
 
 
lonely as a cloud...
12:49 / 29.09.05
I think Bringing It All Back Home is the best introduction to his Bobness - it's got Mr Tambourine Man and Subterranean Homesick Blues, both of which everybody knows, but it's also got Bob Dylan's 115th Dream, Maggie's Farm, Love Minus Zero - in turns funny, raucous, and sensitive. I remember listening to this when I was around 12, and loving it.
 
 
Saveloy
12:53 / 29.09.05
Copey>

Yeah, okay - eight memorable tunes, from a near-mainstream career spanning 45 years? Hurrumph, I say!
 
 
haus of fraser
13:01 / 29.09.05
that was 9 i gave plus your mr Tamborine man and subteranian homesick blues.. thats eleven- which is eleven more than you!
 
 
doctorbeck
13:26 / 29.09.05
it's as much anout the impact that Bob had on all the music that came after him that is as important as the music itself

look at some of the greatest songwirters of the late 20th century, from stevie wonder and smokie robinson to lennon and mccartney, all of them cite dylan as THE major influence in them writing more ambitious and complex pop songs, it's hard to see this from 30 eyars later but his innovations in songwriting and music were stunning

i think what scorcesse captured very well was the huge leap forward in terms of sound (and fury) in bobs music around the time of the tour, and how hard it was for audiences to get it, forget the stooges, forget the pistols, forgot atari teenage riot and sonic youth, this was goddam punk rock but lyrically and musically complex to boot

cutting between the linear narrative of his career and the free trade hall gig contextualised that and provided a narrative tension that a stright ahead concert film could never have done
 
 
Saveloy
13:27 / 29.09.05
Copey>

Oooh! [handbag raised]

Anyway, half of them aren't tunes. No. They are 'Classic Dreary Ballads Sung By Serious Men' (see also anything recognisable by Van bleedin' Morrison and Joe Cocking Cocker, who might even have written *them* for all I know). ie nothing to boast about.
 
 
matthew.
13:39 / 29.09.05
His Bobness (which sounds a lot like His Dudeness, el Duderino) is decent. I like all kinds of music, so I enjoy a little Bob now and then. It's his voice that I find grating. I know it's an acquired taste, but I haven't ever loved it.

IMHO, his best songs are
Shelter from the Storm

and

Hurricane.

Both of these songs feature simple musicianship and the clever phrasing that music critics point out. For me, Shelter from the Storm is just a nice little love song, albeit it goes on too long. Hurricane, on the other hand, is a perfect length. It's a protest song and it's vitriolic in subject matter.

I like a couple other Bob songs, but nothing verging on love.... As for the documentary, well, let me put it this way: Scorsese either makes me fall on my knees (Casino, Goodfellas, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore) or he irritates the fuck out of me (King of Comedy, Gangs of New York, After Hours), or I end up feeling sort of "what's the point, Marty?" (The Aviator, and the rest of his oeuvre).
 
 
A fall of geckos
15:16 / 29.09.05
Blind Willie McTell was one of the early Bob Dylan songs I heard, and I became a fan pretty much on the strength of that song alone. It's a wonderfully evocative bluesy piece of music that I can’t recommend highly enough.

I later found out that he recorded it for Infidels but never released it on the album as he wasn’t completely satisfied with it, and chose to fill the album with crap instead.

It was eventually released on the Bootleg Series and is definitely worth a listen.
 
 
This Sunday
20:43 / 29.09.05
If I ever started to fall out of love with Dylan's music, any two random songs culled off 'Blood on the Tracks' or 'Love & Theft' would pull me right back in the depths of adoration and excitement.
If I ever started to fall out of love wiht Dylan's wit and persona, ten minutes randomly culled from 'Masked and Anonymous' of Bobby Zimmerman doing anything, would do the trick.
And, y'know, selling ladies undergarments on an age-old comment. As you do.
I always thought he'd make a great childrens' show host.
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
22:23 / 29.09.05
I don't hate or even dislike Dylan. I'm just thoroughly disinterested in him and his music. I blame my Dad, who is a huge fan, for making the young me listen to Dylan from the back seat of the car. I have similar feelings about Pink Floyd, probably due to having heard them first under similar circumstances (although it didn't seem to negatively influence me as far as the Rolling Stones or Motown are concerned, so maybe Dylan and Pink Floyd are just shit).
 
 
matthew.
02:39 / 30.09.05
never. never. never disrespect floyd. not even in jest.
 
 
doctorbeck
08:33 / 30.09.05
Red cross, have to say your instincts about floyd were spot on, portentious flatulant middle aged angst from Dark Side onwards, however the first two lps are a stunning mix of musique concrete and english pastoral whimsy and worth a go

bob however did a massive body of owrk that probaly is hard to digest when you are too young to to have felt the stuff he captures on lps like blood on the tracks or are just listeining to the greatest hits out of context of the Lps they came in on and the times they reflected

for starters take a look at the mercurial wit of Highway 61 revisited and the denser sounds of blonde on blonde
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:55 / 30.09.05
never. never. never disrespect floyd. not even in jest.

Ha ha ha. Ha ha. Ha hah ahhhhh hah ha ha ha....

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

I'm torn with Bob. Some days there's m#nothing I'd rather listen to - A good chunk of 'Desire' contains some amazing 'story' songs that I love, 'Isis' and 'Hurricane' in particular. 'Blood on the Tracks' is a lovely record, 'tangled up in Blue' being a particular favourite. 'Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid' has an easy, elegiac edge to it, and 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door' which is simply ace (and in lieu of the film, heartbreaking).

but

Sometimes just the sound of the man's voice can have me reaching for the 'stop' button in a nano-second. When he whines, the motherfucker whines. It's a mood thing.

But as a lyricist he's definitely up there. And he looked good in black.
 
 
_Boboss
12:14 / 30.09.05
i'm such a huge fan of pink floyd that i've joined the hardcore fans in consistently using their nickname, the pink floyd. it's a shorter, and more familiar-sounding way of using their name, which makes me feel more in tune with their eternal vibe.

[sorry, threadrot, and everyone i've met since live8 has heard me do that joke already. i mainly do it to annoy the misses, and she's not even here.]

every good instinct a person has should say 'bob dylan is a cunt', but frankly there's hurricane, and isis, and maggie's farm, and pat garrett & billy the kid, so you have to let him live. the overdose of publicity this week has really got on my tits though.
 
 
matthew.
13:23 / 30.09.05
every good instinct a person has should say 'bob dylan is a cunt', but frankly there's hurricane, and isis, and maggie's farm, and pat garrett & billy the kid, so you have to let him live. the overdose of publicity this week has really got on my tits though.

this paragraph is a huge joy to read.
 
 
Are Being Stolen By Bandits
15:39 / 30.09.05
Warning - long, rambling post ensues.

I've been on a bit of a Dylan sabbatical of late, having overdosed on him a bit over the last few years. I suspect that'll be changing soon, though - firstly, there's the Scorsese doc, which, when I finally get to see it (which'll probably be when the DVD comes out, as it's unlikely to hit Norwegian TV any time soon), will doubtless provoke a massive resurgence in my Bob-listening, though - I'm never away from him long, anyway. Secondly, I'm seeing him in concert again in a few weeks' time, and I always like to spend a bit of time listening to people before seeing them play live.

I wrote my Master's dissertation on Dylan, so obviously I'm approaching this from a devoted fan's perspective, but I'm rather looking forward to seeing No Direction Home. I doubt it'll tell me anything significantly new, but there's a good deal of footage which I'm looking forward to seeing for the first time - books and records can only take you so far, after all. I've heard from a few people that it's a little too uncritical, but that was pretty inevitable, and I can live with it - it's not like there are too many serious criticisms which can be credibly levelled at Dylan's mid-'60s output, anyway. What did those Barbeloids who actually watched it think of it, either as a film, as a documentary, or just as a musical document? I'd be interested in your opinions.

The only downside I can really see to the current resurgence in critical attention to Dylan which the film seems to be arousing is that, as usual, it's directed almost exclusively at his mid-'60s output. Granted, it was probably the most sensible period of his career to focus the film on - there's an incredible amount of previously-unseen footage available, it's still the period which even casual viewers are most likely to be interested in, and there's precious little arguing with the sheer, blinding magnificence of the material he produced between '63-'66, both live and in the studio. On the other hand, it's a period which has already been pretty heavily covered in books, film, and retrospective album releases, and focusing public attention on it yet again, at the expense of his later work, does Dylan's reputation something of a disservice. For my money, as near-unimpeachable asFreewheeling..., Another Side Of Bob Dylan, the Bringing It All Back Home/Highway 61 Revisited/Blonde On Blonde triptych, and the various live recordings which are available from that era generally are (I really don't rate The Times They Are A-Changin' all that highly - it's not without a certain po-faced charm, but it's a very dry, slightly forced, and distinctly dated work compared to the other albums I listed), they're definitely equalled, and at times even surpassed by a good deal of his later, less well-known material.

Just take the lyrics to 'Foot Of Pride' - a relatively minor song from the '80s (far and away his lowest point, creatively, critically and commercially) which never even made it to an album (there's a version on the Bootleg Series Vol. I-III box set, which came out in 1991):

Like the lion tears the flesh off of a man
So can a woman who passes herself off as a male
They sang "Danny Boy" at his funeral and the Lord's Prayer
Preacher talking 'bout Christ betrayed
It's like the earth just opened and swallowed him up
He reached too high, was thrown back to the ground
You know what they say about bein' nice to the right people on the way up
Sooner or later you gonna meet them comin' down

Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back

Hear ya got a brother named James, don't forget faces or names
Sunken cheeks and his blood is mixed
He looked straight into the sun and said revenge is mine
But he drinks, and drinks can be fixed
Sing me one more song, about ya love me to the moon and the stranger
And your fall by the sword love affair with Erroll Flynn
in these times of compassion when conformity's in fashion
Say one more stupid thing to me before the final nail is driven in.

Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back

There's a retired businessman named Red, cast down from heaven and he's out of his head
He feeds off of everyone that he can touch
He said he only deals in cash or sells tickets to a plane crash
He's not somebody that you play around with much
Miss Delilah is his, a Philistine is what she is
She'll do wondrous works with your fate
Feed you coconut bread, spice buns in your bed
If you don't mind sleepin' with your head face down in a grave.

Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back

Well they'll choose a man for you to meet tonight
You'll play the fool and learn how to walk through doors
How to enter into the gates of paradise
No, how to carry a burden too heavy to be yours
Yeah, from the stage they'll be tryin' to get water outta rocks
A whore will pass the hat, collect a hundred grand and say thanks
They like to take all this money from sin, build big universities to study in
Sing "Amazing Grace" all the way to the Swiss banks

Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back

They got some beautiful people out there, man
They can be a terror to your mind and show you how to hold your tongue
They got mystery written all over their forehead
They kill babies in the crib and say only the good die young
They don't believe in mercy
Judgment on them is something that you'll never see
They can exalt you up or bring you down main route
Turn you into anything that they want you to be

Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back

Yes, I guess I loved him too
I can still see him in my mind climbin' that hill
Did he make it to the top, well he probably did and dropped
Struck down by the strength of the will
Ain't nothin' left here partner, just the dust of a plague that has left this whole town afraid
From now on, this'll be where you're from
Let the dead bury the dead. Your time will come
Let hot iron blow as he raised the shade

Well, there ain't no goin' back when your foot of pride come down
Ain't no goin' back


That's a song which even fairly enthusiastic Dylan fans could easily overlook, and I humbly submit that it's a masterpiece - one which is even (unusually for Dylan, whose best work often reads rather flatly on the page) easily appreciated without ever hearing the rather wonderful music the words were originally set to. The third verse, recasting Milton's Satan as "a retired businessman named Red..." is particularly brilliant, particularly in its subtle-but-presumably-deliberate echo of the lyrics to his own, earlier 'Highway 61 Revisited', which contains several similarly-apocalyptic depictions of corrupt businessmen dealing in death and destruction.

In 1984, of course, Bob Dylan disagreed with me, in an instance of shockingly poor judgement which is a frustratingly-typical example of why he's fallen somewhat from the popular radar over the last 25 years, in spite of having produced much of his best material in the same period. Despite the presence in his back pocket of songs like 'Foot of Pride', 'Blind Willie McTell', 'Angelina', and others (several of which remain legally unavailable to this day) he compiled the album Infidels. An album which, I feel it's worth those lucky enough not to have heard knowing, features the following lyric, taken from the unimaginably horrible 'Sweetheart Like You';

You know, a woman like you should be at home,
That's where you belong,
Watching out for someone who loves you true
Who would never do you wrong.
Just how much abuse will you be able to take?
Well, there's no way to tell by that first kiss.
What's a sweetheart like you doin' in a dump like this?



The greatest songwriter (and, arguably, the most significant poet) of the post-war generation somehow felt that this doggerel was worthy of release. Inconceivably, his next three albums were even worse. Of course, he was very, very drunk at the time, but that really isn't enough of an excuse. As a Dylan fan, it's a source of considerable frustration to me that, of all the many truly majestic songs he produced over the course of the 1980s, approximately 3 were actually commercially released. And they were on otherwise-shit albums (I'm ignoring the actually-pretty-good Oh Mercy from 1989 partly because I still don't think it's as great as many critics do, and partly because it ruins the thrust of my argument, such as it is).

That's without even mentioning the 1970s, which produced the marvellous Blood On The Tracks (which is, of his post-1966 albums, probably the only one to have really received the popular attention it so richly deserves), the horribly under-rated Street Legal (from which I'd suggest that 'The Changing Of The Guards', 'Senor', and 'Where Are You Tonight?' in particular are easily the equal of any of the deservedly-acclaimed songs already mentioned in this thread), among a number of other lesser-but-still-pretty-damn-good-by-anyone-else's-standards albums. Or the 1990s, which saw him finally regain a degree of critical and commercial success with the slightly overrated (but still remarkable) Time Out Of Mind, as well as redefining his art to a degree never even attempted by any comparable major artist with a never-ending series of occasionally-magnificent, occasionally-shambolic, but always-fascinating concert performances. Or even the last 5 years, during which he's produced yet another superb-but-overlooked album (Love & Theft, a title which sums up Dylan's life-long relationship with American music almost as eloquently as the album itself does), a fascinating, idiosyncratic and criminally-underrated/ignored film, Masked And Anonymous, and a totally unexpected, and quite marvellous, surprisingly matter-of-fact and readable autobiography.

With luck, the success of No Direction Home will result in more attention being paid to Dylan's later career, instead of simply indulging the lazy nostalgia which reflections on '60s music seem all too prone to. But I'm not holding my breath.

Sigh. But then I listen to 'Blind Willie McTell', and everything's OK again.
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
16:32 / 30.09.05
portentious flatulant middle aged angst from Dark Side onwards, however the first two lps are a stunning mix of musique concrete and english pastoral whimsy and worth a go

The Floyd that was played at me as a kid definitely fell on the Dark Side. I didn't hear their earlier stuff until I was a bit older, by which point I had discovered more than enough 'weird' music to soundtrack my teenage drug parties. I'd probably really like Piper... and Ummagumma if I'd heard them at the right time (same might be said of Dark Side... too, only the right time would be about 14 years from now and it's already too late). Same applies for a lot of Dylan's output as well. At this point though, there's so much other stuff that I find more compelling reasons to 'discover' that I doubt I'll ever get around to reappraising either. I'm not going to dispute their worth because I don't know their music well enough, but I'm never likely to be interested enough to find out.
 
 
Jack Fear
17:41 / 30.09.05
With luck, the success of No Direction Home will result in more attention being paid to Dylan's later career, instead of simply indulging the lazy nostalgia which reflections on '60s music seem all too prone to. But I'm not holding my breath.

Better not: the film basically stops at about 1968. Blame the boomers who dictate the discourse in academia and the mass media: if it happened after they were young and sexy, they dont want any part of it.

Fuckin' boomers, man.
 
 
Quantum
18:41 / 30.09.05
Oh Saveloy, bless your cotton socks. No tunes. How many Bob Dylan tunes can yer average music fan name? ho ho. Ever hear one that goes 'everybody must get stoned' that every person alive knows? I hate blowing in the wind and Tambourine Man, but the average music fan can name half a dozen Bob songs without breaking a sweat.

No tunes? Ever hear Jimi Hendrix doing 'all along the watchtower', Joan Baez doing 'it ain't me babe' and 'hard rain's a gonna fall' Grateful Dead doing 'it's all over now baby blue' etc etc even if you don't like his voice he's a fantastic songwriter. Try enjoying some of the TWELVE THOUSAND cover versions of his songs dude.

His live performance has finally levelled out- for a long time his Never Ending Tour (he's been touring for seventeen years now non-stop) was a bit sketchy but he has an amazing backing band now, with an especially good bassist (Tony Garnier). Their rendition of Tangled Up In Blue made me weep with joy live.

Love and Theft is great (released 9/11 unluckily), I was so pleased he followed up the good Time Out Of Mind (didja know the White Stripes covered 'Love Sick', the standout track?) with something even better.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
19:47 / 30.09.05
And Bowie loved him too.


Oh, hear this Robert Zimmerman
I wrote a song for you
About a strange young man called Dylan
With a voice like sand and glue
Some words of truthful vengeance
They could pin us to the floor
Brought a few more people on
And put the fear in a whole lot more


from Song for Bob Dylan, Hunky Dory (IIRC)
 
 
Saveloy
19:58 / 30.09.05
Quantum:

"Ever hear one that goes 'everybody must get stoned' that every person alive knows?"

Gaaaargh, yes - make that reason no. 4!
 
 
Are Being Stolen By Bandits
23:20 / 30.09.05
His live performance has finally levelled out- for a long time his Never Ending Tour (he's been touring for seventeen years now non-stop) was a bit sketchy but he has an amazing backing band now, with an especially good bassist (Tony Garnier). Their rendition of Tangled Up In Blue made me weep with joy live.

I'd take slight issue with that - the NET has been pretty hit-and-miss since it began, and it still varies from week to week. I'd agree that his current band is better than it has been in a while (replacing the godawful Freddie Kimball on lead guitar last year was a definite step in the right direction), and while he he's currently capable of transcendent performances on a pretty regular basis, he always has been, a few rough periods aside (2002-4 was a ropy stretch, as far as I can tell - I can only surmise that he was distracted by Masked And Anonymous, but the bootlegs of shows I've heard from those years have been pretty underwhelming, on the whole. The show I saw in Newcastle last year was, on the whole, magnificent - but I've heard tapes from only a few weeks earlier which were fuck-awful.

There have been good years and bad years - virtually everything I've heard from 1994, 1998 and 2001 has been great, for example, while 1996 seems like it was pretty flat, on the whole - but given how many concerts he plays, and the extent to which his setlists vary from night to night, I'd say that the high points have been more than good enough to warrant the depths of tunelessness, boredom and lifelessness to which he's occasionally sunk.

There are quite a few sites out there with a decent array of bootleg concert/studio outtake recordings for download - anyone who's curious should probably check out this site, which links to a good number of them.

I'm looking forward to seeing him again in a few weeks' time, for sure - as you say, when he's good he really is phenomenal, even at this late stage in his career. Some day, with any luck, there's going to be an absolutely mind-blowing boxed set compiling highlights from the Never-Ending Tour era - I've only got a fraction of even the best-known bootlegs from the Tour, and I could already compile a selection which would put virtually any concerts he ever recorded in the '60s or '70s to shame. With luck, this era'll get the recognition it deserves before Bob shuffles off this mortal coil, although I get the impression that he himself doesn't really care either way.
 
 
GogMickGog
19:52 / 16.10.05
Can I be honest?

I loathe him.
Not in some adolescent reactionary way, not to be out with the in crowd, I just hate him. His voice, his repetitive droning chords, his pseudo-meaningful lyrics (Ahem..Jim...ahem..Morrison), and most of all his patronising fanbase ("You don't like Dylan? Oh, you just haven't listened to Dylan").

He is rubbish.
 
 
Bed Head
23:46 / 16.10.05
and most of all his patronising fanbase ("You don't like Dylan? Oh, you just haven't listened to Dylan").

= surely, straw man argument no.1. No-one really minds if you don’t like him, man.


So. Since the thread’s been bumped, and just to give some love for an album that hasn’t been covered already, my favouritest Dylan record of all is John Wesley Harding. Always has been.

There’s a proper, all-over vibe to it, for a start: the stone-coloured cover and faded cover photograph tells you straight away, this is supposed to be an old, old record. Yet it all somehow manages to be solemn and ancient and stuffed full of Mysterious Import without ever being heavy or fiddly or plodding. It’s played with a light touch throughout, it’s quiet, it totally works in the wee small hours.

And, coming after Blonde On Blonde, and in the same year as/positively kicking against the noisy Basement Tapes bob stuff, it sounds a bit strange in comparison. There’s suddenly no band of rawk musicians backing the songs up. Well, okay, there’s Charlie McCoy on bass, but most tracks don’t feature any other guitarist besides Bob himself. Consequently, no real solos/muso noodling to speak of, just these weird, stark/dark/funny little folk tunes with a particularly jaunty bass throughout. Although, saying that, there is an absolutely fanfuckingtastic harmonica solo on ‘I Dreamed I Saw St Augustine,’ which I still don’t believe that Bob played. He’s credited on the sleeve, but it certainly doesn’t sound like him, and that Charlie McCoy dude can play a bit...

And *all* the songs on it are brilliant. All his other albums have at least one or two tracks that have me scrambling across the room to lift the needle, which isn’t so cool. But I love every last song on JWH. With side 2 just about shading it as my favourite right now. Favourite track: “I Am A Lonesome Hobo.” It’s a very Bob Dylan-y story that he’s telling, heavy on the metaphor pedal and with a couple of 90-degree turns in the narrative, but it isn’t an out-and-out goofy story like, say, Bob Dylan’s 115th Dream was. And it doesn’t suggest any modern relevance or offer the listener any close identification, either. He’s not presenting as one of us, or as a 60s hipster that *You* could ever be. The Dylan character throughout this album is separated from the audience; on this song he sounds like a lonesome hobo from, like, a hundred years ago. And, while his voice is still pretty much yer classic Bob whine, he’s also beginning to move towards that crooning style that he uses on Nashville Skyline. And more great harmonica on this particular track - actually, there’s lots of great harp all over this album - this time sounding kinda like an air-raid siren with a wah-wah pedal. Only nice. Not so much of the typical Dylan wheezing-style harp; this soars, and then swoops and stabs. Country style. Oh, 'scuse my enthusing, but it’s just ace.


The Pat Garrett And Billy The Kid soundtrack, yes yes yes. Fantastic record. Not so much for Knocking On Heavens’ Door, actually, more for the Main Title/Cantina Theme tracks that open the album, and for that long spacey piece that accompanied the long, spacey scene at the end of the PG&BTK movie, where Garrett and his men quietly surround Billy at the ranch he’s hiding out in, and then wait for him to finish his Spectacular Kristofferson Shag moment. But, those pieces aren’t really much to do with Bob, are they? I know he’s supposedly strumming his guitar in there somewhere, but that’s Bruce motherfucking Langhorne and Roger McGuinn and Booker T who are playing and making it sound so spacey and beautiful. You’re not really listening to anything that Bob is doing there.

(Bruce Langhorne rocks, actually. He seems to play on all the best 60s folk-rock records. I’d rather like to see a documentary about him, I don’t even know who he is, where he came from or what happened to him.)
 
 
Cat Chant
12:21 / 26.10.05
the reason people who don't like him don't is actually nothing to with his music

I'm another "torn" person. Having found out that my girlfriend (who was then a lesbian separatist) listened to him a lot in the 60s has prompted a re-listen over the past few years, and there are lots of songs where I can hear past the dated heterosexism of the framework to access a joyously cathartic rant, but don't ask me to sing along to she makes love just like a woman, but she breaks just like a little girl, because genius or not, that's icky. (Cf also every Bob Dylan love song ever.)
 
 
Jack Fear
12:26 / 26.10.05
Bruce Langhorne rocks, actually. He seems to play on all the best 60s folk-rock records. I’d rather like to see a documentary about him, I don’t even know who he is, where he came from or what happened to him.

These questions are pretty easily answered, Bed...
 
  

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