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Blackalicious - The Craft

 
 
Axolotl
14:34 / 28.09.05
Anyone else here listened to Blackalicious' new album "The Craft"? I've been listening to it for the past week and am really enjoying it. The production seems to be more beefed up than Blazing Arrow and it seems to flow better imho. There also seems to be more of a rock feel to the production with a few songs featuring some big guitar licks.
Any discussion on Blackalicious in general? I'm guessing they might be a bit too "back-pack" hip-hop for some posters, but I rate them. Some quality albums, and they're really good live.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:16 / 12.10.05
I love Blackalicious. Blazin Arrow rates as one of my favorite all time hip-hop albums. I'm a little less enthusiastic about Nia. Didn't quite live up to the promise of Melodica and A2G for me. Seemed a bit too dense and far too much of the rapid-fire wordy rapping thing that was so popular with Solesides (Quannum) back in the day.

But Blazin' Arrow...now that's I can album that just makes me happy to no end. It soars on it's soul drenched melodies and vocals. Brought me back to hip-hop in general, I have to say. I got a little fed up with the "indie" scene in college. Too many weak things coming out in my mind, and I started listening to more electronic stuff. But this album brought be back. Xcel killed it on the production of this album.

A little Quannum side tangent: Chief Xcel and Lateef's Maroons - Ambush is a fantastic and meaty mini-album. I've always preferred Lateef to all the other Solesides/Quannum MCs, and this little release marries him perfectly to Xcel's new style of production using lots of live instruments.

Finally, The Craft. I think this album is going to divide fans a lot. It's much glossier and "pop" than the previous releases, and very sporadic in the types of sounds it encompasses. The first time I heard it, I was shaking my head and a bit disappointed. Then I found myself putting it on more and more, and really loving it. The chorus that originally annoyed me on "World of Vibrations"? Now it's one of my favorite tracks! So fun and energetic. "Supreme People" is just hard and fantastic. I skipped over "Side to Side" the first couple times, and now I keep rewinding it just to hear Pigeon John's unbelievable verses. I still can't get into "Powers" but "Lotus Flower" is the loveliest dingy psyche-hop I've ever heard.

The production sound on this takes Xcel's new style in a really bombastic direction. Very bright, it feels like a true artistic achievement in hip-hop production.

Now...where's that next Lifesavas album? (More on them later)

I've never quite understood what "back-packer" hip hop is. I don't really consider Blackalicious to be operating in a different sub-set of hip hop at all. What makes them different from Kanye West or Common, etc.?
 
 
Axolotl
08:40 / 13.10.05
Ambush is a really good album, in fact all the recent Quannum releases are good. I'm a big fan of Lyrics Born & "Later that Day" is an excellent album, one of my favourite recent albums.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:34 / 13.10.05
I sort of prefer the Same S!?!, Different Day remix album that is a companion to Later That Day. Especially the Jumbo remix of "Pack Up" w/Evidence and KRS-1. That track is insane.
 
 
Axolotl
14:00 / 13.10.05
That is an excellent track, though with the people involved it would have been a disappointment if it wasn't. The only thing that annoyed me about "Same Shit..." was my own dislike of remix albums, though I admit that there were some really excellent tracks on it.
 
 
Sniv
12:53 / 14.10.05
Man, I love Blackalicious. I' m about as white, anglo-saxon and rock-oriented as you get but this album blew my socks off. I got into Blazin Arrow from hearing the Saul Williams track at the end (he's another fucking amazing hip-hop artist), and had the get the album.

It opened my ears and mind to whole other possibilities of hip-hop, which I usually can't relate to, thanks to the gangs, ni**as (sorry for the stars, but my mum brought me up not to say that word, it makes me feel dirty - it's not for me to be saying) and bitches, but this record is pure and funky and real, I love it.

How is the new record? I might bittorrent it until I get paid...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:02 / 14.10.05
Wait - so you're a white rock fan who can't relate to hip-hop unless it's Blackalicious or Saul Williams? Woah! They broke the mould when they made you, brother!
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
13:51 / 14.10.05

Yes Petey i think that's what he's saying. Basically he likes rock and is possibly not a major hip-hop fan. He's not into the ganster shit but likes the Blackalicious album.

I don't see your issue Petey, you just seem to be being a little bit precious. Instead why not suggest some other stuff that he may like, and open the door to a potential new hip-hop fan, as opposed to slamming him down for not being able to "relate" the way you can!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:00 / 14.10.05
Well my issue would be what exactly he means when he says he can't relate to hip-hop partly because of the "ni**as". Does he mean that he has a problem listening to music made by black people, or just that black people shouldn't use that term? I mean, Saul Williams made a mixtape called Real Niggery, so I'm a little confused really.

Recommendations? Single songs or albums? If it's the former I'd say 'Mic Check' by Juelz Santana, if it's the latter I'd say Osirus by the late Ol' Dirty Bastard. That's just stuff from this year off the top of my head.
 
 
_Boboss
14:01 / 14.10.05
now hang on harrison, petey cameltoe read the word 'back-packer' and then waited a whole five posts before jumping on someone for not being as black, as real, or as into jay-z as him (which all amount to the same thing, yo). this is a new personal record, and shows he's really trying - credit where it's due.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:03 / 14.10.05
For fuck's sake, the idea that "hip-hop, which I usually can't relate to, thanks to the gangs, ni**as...and bitches" is the kind of statement that only rankles me as opposed to one which would get you laughed off every self-respecting music discussion forum on the internet...
 
 
Harrison Ford, in a battle suit, wheels for feet, knives and guns
14:12 / 14.10.05
Is is that hard for you to understand what he's getting at Petey?

Even if he is potentially ignorant of hip-hop terminology. It seems relatively obvious to me & i'm sure you that he's not being racist... However have a good rant if you like.

In the meantime everyone get an Anti-Pop Consortium album, if you havn't allready. I defy you not to like it!!
 
 
Sniv
21:21 / 14.10.05
Fuck yeah, Anti-pop Consortium! (shields up...) I saw one of their tunes on MTV2 one night and it blew my mind. Gotta go download...

Oh yeah, and Petey? So what? I have little to no experience of black culture, sorry but it's true, and I can't identify at all with 'urban' music, becasue it's out of my usual frame of reference or interest. That said, being a bassist, I can appreciate a fat b-line or some distorted beats with some deep lyrics behind it. Pretty much all mainstream hip-hop I hear makes my soul angry, but some I can dig.

BTW, my usuage of 'Bitches et al' was meant to be ironic, and seriously, I don't think a white kid should be using the n-word without having their arse seriously kicked.

But, my mind is as open as an all-night garage, so if you know any cool, dirty alternative hip-hop, lemme know.
 
 
The Falcon
00:23 / 15.10.05
Flyboy, he did also say 'Niggas' is not a term for him to be saying. Nothing whatsoever about black people.

This thread was a fuse.

(I would, however, second any ODB recommendations, but opt for 'N***a, please', which is probably the finest music crafted by man, regardless of extremely sexist language.)
 
 
The Falcon
00:24 / 15.10.05
Oh, and my point was already made, two above. Carry on.
 
 
Sniv
15:20 / 21.10.05
Petey - There are just one or two things I want to clarify before I stop clogging this post up. Firstly, all I was trying to get across was that I have no overt problems or prejudices against black people. I'm not sure of the subconscious level, because nobody is, and as for reflecting the ideas of the dominant culture - I try pretty hard not to, and feel alienated from most sections of 'mainstream' society... but that's a whole other discussion.

As for your arguments as to why I should be able to relate to urban music ('I’ve never taken heroin, much less become addicted to it, but I can enjoy music made by people who have...). I didn't mean I can't relate because of the colour of my skin/my life experiences. If I was like that, I'd read some awful boring books and make shitty music.

If I must clarify, the cultural context I was refering to is mostly my guitar music background. It's how I was bought up, it's what 95% of my music collection is. I like dirty, heavy, distorted music, and most hip-hop I have heard doesn't have this (apart from the records in my collection).

I also am not too keen on some of the afore-mentioned lyrical content, altough to take Saul Williams as an example, the album of his that I have is more political than gang-oriented (unlike, say, 50 Cent or many other mainstream hip-hop that I have heard). The lyrics that I've heard by Williams seem to be reacting against the whole gang/money culture, not re-inforcing it, and some of his lyrics help me understand what it could be like to walk in his shoes as it were. I don't care if he uses the n-word a lot. From what I've heard of him, he has valid and thoughtful things to say, and I respect him for it.

But y'know, I'm the same way about mainstream pop-music. Most of it has nothing to say to me, and I dislike listening to it.

There. Can we move on? Pleeeease?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:53 / 23.10.05
I think ultimately your comment on all the off-putting 'gangsta' talk in hip hop, is basically a pretty tired cliche, and frustrating to hear for fans of the genre. That's what annoyed me about it. It's not necessarily a racist attitude, but it is ill-informed.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:54 / 23.10.05
There's also a disconnect here - the first contention was that the issue was lyrical or cultural (the subject matter of the songs is unpleasant), whereas the second contention is that the issue is musical - that the issue is that hip-hop is unlike your music of choice (guitar rock), and that the things you like musically about guitar rock are not in evidence in hip-hop. One of those distinctions, or some part thereof, makes your soul angry, but I'm not clear on which.

This is an interesting one for me as I listen to almost no hip-hop either, primarily because I wouldn't know where to start, and as such am probably information-poor on what is actually going on in the musical and lyrical content of hip-hop at present. However, I think we're wandering far offtopic here - maybe a new thread on hip-hop for beginners, or on how hip-hop is perceived by non-fans? For example, I have no idea whether the primary lyrical content of modern hip-hop is primarily concerned with "gangs, n****s and bitches" -I just don't have a large enough sample group to make that call...
 
 
Sniv
18:29 / 23.10.05
Mac - agreed it may be ill-informed, but it's based on what I've heard, both in mainstream music that I hear and my friends' music collections. I guess it's a bit like people that don't know heavy/leftfield music telling me that its unlistenable screaming and noise. It's not, but that's outsiders' opions for you.
 
  
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