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The Conservative Party Leadership Election - 2005 Widescreen Edition

 
  

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Alex's Grandma
22:12 / 20.10.05
I'm not too sure if I didn't just dream this, but weren't a pointlessly reformed Sham 69 booked to play at the Conservative Party conference this year?
 
 
sleazenation
07:43 / 21.10.05
indeed they were, singing 'if the kids are united'
 
 
Lysander Stark
08:24 / 21.10.05
Regarding the drugs issue, Cameron was rather good when he referred to his relative and sort of made it sound noble-- anyone that commented after his comments would be implicated in trying to destabilise a recovering addict, making it a good no-go ground for press and politicos alike. Quite a manoeuver.

The tension, the tension-- I hope Cameron comes out on top, even though I do not see myself voting for the party. Still, a little democracy would be nice.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:07 / 21.10.05
Actually, I take that back - there is nothing pointless about Sham 69's reformation if they carry on getting booked for events like this.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:20 / 24.10.05
Interesting/alarming Guardian opinion piece: David Cameron is not a moderate.

Cameron himself voted for the Iraq war, believing that to vote no "would have been to break the US-UK alliance which has been the cornerstone of our peace and security". Saddam, according to the new Tory saviour, posed a threat not just to the Middle East region, but "to the world", and like all good neocons Cameron blamed the conflict on the French and their promise to veto any second UN security council resolution.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:41 / 24.10.05
There's also a claim that I've seen over the weekend but cannot place now, that he supports Loony Oliver Letwin's idea of sending all asylum seekers to 'an island... somewhere'. But, compared to Davis, isn't he still the least worst? Or is honest David Davis really a sweet bloke that's kind to puppies?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:21 / 24.10.05
Damn you got to the Guardian article before me!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:46 / 24.10.05
Out of interest did anyone ever think Cameron was a moderate? We don't generally have moderates in the Labour Party these days- do we? Even with all of the information available from the Guardian article I still think he's moderate in comparison to Liam Fox, which admittedly means little considering the trash that comes pouring out of his mouth.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:11 / 24.10.05
I'm none too bothered about their policies AS THEY'D PLAY OUT IN THE REAL WORLD, because they still haven't a hope in hell. All I want the Tories to do is provide a decent fucking opposition. I'd fight tooth and nail to stop the fuckers actually getting in, but they need to sort their act out so we can at least have the semblance of a two-party system.

(To think, a few years back, I was hoping we could still have the semblance of democracy, rather than a two-party system. It's all sliding down the toilet, isn't it?)
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:20 / 25.10.05
I'd certainly thought he was to the left of Dr (Actually a real doctor) Fox and David Davis, but perhaps I was deluding myself that he would see the way forward for the Tories would be to fight back by moving to the left rather than allowing themselves to be pushed further right.
 
 
sleazenation
09:45 / 25.10.05
One can be to the left of Liam Fox and still be quite far to the right.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:53 / 25.10.05
And one can go so far to the left that one becomes far right, and in doing so kick the nasty little shit in the ass when he isn't looking.
 
 
Loomis
10:20 / 02.11.05
Well David Blunkett is out of a job. Is it too late for nominations for the tory leadership? He'd walk it in.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:50 / 02.11.05
Has anyone else noticed:

Cameron vs. Blair on climate change?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:30 / 02.11.05
Yeah, I noticed that. Cameron may not a moderate, but it seems he's not quite as in the pocket of the American far-right as Tony is.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
05:53 / 18.11.05
Anyone else seen the interviews with the two hopefuls on Newsnight over the last fortnight? Admittedly it was more 'this week we're talking to David Davis who is going to lose, next week we'll be talking to David Cameron, the man who's going to be the next leader of the Tories'. Not Paxo's finest hours though, he seems unable to discriminate between cutting someone off because they are waffling and cutting someone off before they've been given a fair chance to answer the question.

Despite the fact that the whole issue of drugs is going to be one that could dog Cameron for the rest of his career (every time he's asked about it you can practically hear Labour cranking out election posters about it) he managed to make his rather odd position stand up in the face of concerted pressure from Paxman, but he's more successful than Davis at presenting himself to the public as the moderate that he's not.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
02:51 / 19.11.05
His rather odd position

I wonder if it is. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of drug-taking, the situation with the next generation of UK politicians is, realistically, going to be that a)they arrived in their late adolescence/early twenties at a time when drug use had never been widespread, and crucially, more fashionable (it's more widespread now, arguably, but it's definitely not as stylish - the position of, say, the hard-working rock band that prefers to say No, which ten years ago would have been box office poison - 'burn Christian, burn etc' - now seems a bit more defensible, in PR terms,) than it had been to date in Britain, and that b)whether or not they 'inhaled' themselves, any serious aspirant politicians of that particular age, whether or not they'd have realised, at that point, 'what they really wanted to do with their lives,' etc, would have almost certainly have wanted to be friends as many people as possible at uni, and so, consequently, to have tried for a bit, however abortively, to have run with 'the cool kids,' because that's how you need to be if you're even remotely going to be considered as a teh party leader.

In this respect, Mr Tony (a man from the Sixties, lest we forget,) has 'shifted the goal posts' a bit - It's just about believable that Mr B was a bit coy about dope-smoking as younger man,('ah well, I smelled these exotic scents in the common room... I didn't know what they were, though, Jeremy, *nudge, wink,* never tried them myself' and such,) in a way that would sound like implausible deniability from the likes of D Cameron. Or the Nu Labour equivalent, whenever that shows up. Specifically, as a mover and a shaker (with that pretty much *sine qua non* IMVHO future pol's desire for approval.) In the Nineties, at college, you'd have been around drugs. And not just cuddly 'Magic Roundabout' drugs either. 'Hard' drugs, like what Kate Moss has. (Had.)

The problem then being, that do you, as a politician, then carry on campaigning for laws that would, if fully implemented see, if not you, then at least some of your friends, locked up in jail?

To his credit, I think anyway, David Cameron seems to be at least trying to get away from the implicit trad Tory line, which, as with iffy share-dealing, arms sales, 'gay shame' etc seems to be encapasulted in that old thing 'Don't get caught.'

So, as absurd as it seems, and particularly insofsar as he must know this isn't going to win him any pals in the tabloids, isn't David Cameron's stance on this perhaps a vague, and admittedly very faint, sign of, y'know, principle?
 
 
Lysander Stark
11:22 / 22.11.05
I originally hail from Aberdeen, and still often visit. I now hear from my brother that it has become a hotbed of political canvassing, and bring you news from the Tory Front.

I feel sorry for the older candidate, but still laughed out loud. I wonder (not hard) what the average age of the 15 supporters was...
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
15:00 / 22.11.05
I wonder how many of them thought they were going to see Dickie Davies...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:23 / 06.12.05
Cameron's got it by quite a wide margin.
 
 
Smoothly
13:31 / 06.12.05
Anyone know the margin yet?
 
 
Smoothly
13:33 / 06.12.05
Ahh, 68%.
So, what job is he going to give Davis?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:46 / 06.12.05
I'm guessing no job at all.
 
 
Smoothly
14:01 / 06.12.05
Now that would be brave.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:06 / 06.12.05
Really? I suppose it is but I think it would be stupid to give Davis a job if he really is following the Labour remodel of the mid-90s. You need someone a bit more benign who can be made to tow the line for the sake of the party- like Prescott. Perhaps I'm wrong and Davis is that person?
 
 
pointless & uncalled for
13:27 / 07.12.05
BBC is tipping Davis to retain shadow Home secretary.

Davis cycles to work. Why does he have to be conservative? Or more realistically, why don't all those lazy sods in the commons do the same?
 
 
Smoothly
14:03 / 07.12.05


On yer bike.

Having given up on reforming the monarchy, perhaps we're heading for a Bicycling Executive.

Anyone see him on PMQs? I thought he did all right. Reasonable assured and authoritative at least. "Have you finished?" etc.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:31 / 07.12.05
I'll be watching the clip when I get home tonight. It sounds so-so from the write ups.
 
 
Smoothly
14:48 / 07.12.05
Yeah, the talking heads I saw afterwards were pretty luke warm about it too. Different expectations maybe. I thought it was pretty measured and well-judged. Although I think I most feared that he would attempt some ridiculously ambitious flying roundhouse and fall on his arse though. Or try to be, you know, really funny.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
20:11 / 07.12.05
Hopefully Thatcher being ill won't bump it off Newsnight. If he were really brave he'd be hoping she dies by the end of the week so that he can spin it as symbolic of Old Tories dying off to be replaced by New Conservatives. Newsnight reckon that Cameron and his friends are in the position now of the Blair project to modernise the Labour party, but where are the Europhobes? They must still be there yet we've heard nary a peep from them since Michael Howard took over.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
12:35 / 08.12.05
I've seen it now and actually, I think Blair might be in trouble over the next few weeks. He looked so confused when Cameron stood there smiling away at him, all friendly. He kept trying to introduce conflict but the opposition wasn't rising to it. He's the first Tory leader that I've seen use Blair's rebels against him- I doubt it was as noticable from behind but he shook him up.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:30 / 08.12.05
where are the Europhobes?

Well, Cameron's been quiet about this, possibly very wisely, but he seems to be one. He makes friendly noises about Europe, although he makes friendly noises about everything, but is opposed to the social charter and may pull Tory MEPs out of the European People's Party.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:37 / 08.12.05
Ah, yes - Hague as Foreign Sec. Fox in Defence. Double-D stays on at Home. It's a right-wing, Eurosceptic and Atlanticist cabinet, with Clarke marginalised in a "Democracy task force".
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:48 / 09.12.05
Well they are tories...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
13:58 / 10.12.05
Even so, side-lining Clarke does seem like a big mistake. As, for the reasons discussed up-thread, does promoting Liam Fox. It'll have to come out one day, yes it will. Also, no Boris Johnson? For someone with a background in PR, marketing or whatever it is, Cameron's first go at this seems disappointingly unmedia-friendly.
 
  

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