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"The Premiership disgusts me!"

 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:08 / 21.09.05
Entertainment for the fans? Wrong business, mate.

I'm mainly stepping back from this as I don't have much interest in football, but I'm interested in what those of you who do think. Is football dying? Have the winners of next Springs tournaments effectively been decided? If you're genuinely interested in the game of football, should you ignore the premiership?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
09:20 / 21.09.05
It's funny really, as only recently have I become interested in football again. I don't really know why, but I think it essentially revolves around supporting Arsenal because I think Thierry Henry is a bit pretty. And you can take that for my interest in it being, well, a bit shallow.

But to actually wonder about the issue here... mainly I just think it's "one of those things". That happens, from time to time. Did anyone think Chelsea would win this time last season? Do we now just resign ourselves to willing that they fuck up (like people did with Arsenal last season)? That's what football has always been for me! The last time I watched the premiership... well. Let's just say I was supporting Leicester. I didn't hold out much hope, but you watch it anyway. So nothing has changed, really...

Also; in my football watching experience, I know that any match I get excited about watching will inevitably be rubbish with no goals. Whereas if there's football on the telly and I happen to go out, or miss it, it will clearly be an 8 goal fight to the death in extra time with flying kicks and at least three fights. Every time.
 
 
The Falcon
09:56 / 21.09.05
Yeah, the prem does seem like it's gonna be a big, dull procession this season.

Maybe not.

Anyway, Scottish football is about as exciting as it's been in 20 years, with Hearts stealing a 5 point March on Celtic, with other usual suspect Rangers lurking a further 3 back, having already taken three-goal cuffings from Hibs and Aberdeen.
 
 
Dxncxn
10:14 / 21.09.05
I don’t know how much of what follows is a reaction to the irritating tabloid tone of the article in question (Souness or Bryan Robson would do a better job as England manager than (Oh! the wit) “Sven-Borin’ Eriksson”? %Of course they would%), but here goes:

Yes, it was obvious before the season started that Chelsea would win the Premiership. And I can see that this would be a disappointment for neutrals, who are presumably after exciting, attacking play and a close title race.

On the other hand, the majority of fans that I know are not neutral, and most of them are far more concerned about their own team’s success than about the state of the Premiership in general. People complain about wages or Chelsea or Rooney, sure, but given a choice between a decent cup run for their own side or a close title race between teams they don’t support, I’m sure that virtually all fans would choose the former.

So I’d argue that Chelsea’s dominance would only really have a significant impact on supporters of Arsenal, Man Utd and maybe Liverpool - the only teams who might otherwise have started the season feeling they could win the league. But I presume that most Liverpool fans were happy with last season, and, speaking as an Arsenal supporter, I haven’t stopped caring. I may be enjoying it less than the last few years, perhaps. But this is my main criticism of the article: the writer, as a neutral, cares predominantly about how enjoyable the season will be. Most fans, for better or worse, know that being a football supporter has only a very tangential relationship with enjoyment. I’m not saying that I think Abramovitch is a good thing (although I might argue in favour of Mourinho), but simply that none of this makes a lot of difference to my relationship with my team or the game as a whole.

(Oh, and, as an aside, I really don’t think Chelsea are as boring as people as saying. Maybe this is a result of growing up with George Graham’s Arsenal, but I’d far rather watch them than, say, Bolton or Everton or Houllier’s Liverpool).
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
10:42 / 21.09.05
I agreed with the article wholeheartedly.

Nothing to do with Southampton being relegated.

Honestly.

During the first match I watched at the beginning of the season I remember feeling an awful sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach as the players trooped out. A real feeling of "here we go again". More shirt pulling, more bad decisions and related bad tempers, more tabloid front covers, more scandals, more 0-0 bloody draws and so on.

I think it has got to do with the excitement of the cricket and that old chestnut of familiarity breeing contempt. I'm sure over the next couple of months I'll find myself getting caught up in the premiership again (although now I have less reason for keeping up, what with aforesaid teams relegation) but people are getting disenchented with the Premiership (it's not just me and some Guardian writer, pretty much everyone I've spoken to about the football has expressed similar opinions, even the Chelsea fans).

It might take a time, but I think people will switch back on to the footy eventually. There's always an exciting game or two to watch (the highlights of) every saturday.
 
 
astrojax69
05:02 / 22.09.05
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Meanwhile, in the first month of the Premiership there have been less goals scored than in the previous 10 seasons.

fewer! there have been fewer goals scored...! all right, so you are just a poor sports reporter, but really, whither grammar??
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phew, got that off me chest... now, boring football? well, palace got relegated last season, so that the premier league is more boring is simply expected...! but really, don't we often say the same thing about the early part of the season, until it settles down into a pattern and it becomes apparent exactly what is at stake in a given game? the quality of player on show in any p.l. encounter these days is pretty phenomenal. imagine going back in the tardis to the start of the p.l. and telling fans there just who will be playing club football week in, week out in england... you'd have been called barmy. what really is the complaint here?

is is just fewer goals? surely not - some of the best football i've ever witnessed has been low scoring chess-like games: vis champiuons league final a couple years ago, juve v milan. enthralling encounter, 0-0 after two hours! goals only = excitement? a deeply shallow audience, methinks!
 
 
Supaglue
08:02 / 22.09.05
Yeah, it can't be fewer goals and more nil-nil draws - Don't forget two of the Ashes tests also ended in rained off draws. Ten days and still no winner in each.

I just think it has been a slow start to the Premiership, coupled with the cricket hangover. When Liverpool won the Eurpoen Cup a few months ago, the papers were hailing it as the greatest football match eeevar...

There'll be a couple of ding-dong games before Xmas and in the New Year everyone will have forgotten what the fuss is about...
 
 
Supaglue
08:05 / 22.09.05
...And they can't really start declaring a hegemony of Chelsea just yet. They've only won it once, unlike Utd and Arsenal, so its still a three (hopefully four) horse race.
 
 
The Falcon
00:45 / 23.09.05
Yes, astro, but two hours of extremely cultured calcio is a spot different to Blackburn 0 Everton 0. And everyone moaned about that final too, so evidently the football-watching public would like goals.

I would too, despite the fact that was a good game; I'd suggest it was an exception to the norm of the nil-nil.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:48 / 23.09.05
On a related topic, Dave Whelan calls for a salary cap on Premiership wages. The idea of this would be that clubs would have to balance the high wages of big stars against maintaining depth of squad, and therefore no one club would be able to hoover up all the best players (Chelsea, for example, seems to be signing players at times purely to frustrate attempts by Manchester United or Arsenal to sign them, then putting them out on loan or into the reserves). His proposal is to have a numerical cap, rather than, say, the League's percentage cap.

My first impression is that this just wouldn't work. The bigger clubs would probably find other ways of supplementing wages, leading to a return to the sham of the maximum wage. Also, if your turnover is vastly more than that of another club, what do you spend the extra cash on if not on players and wages? There's only so much ground improvement you can do, dropping ticket prices is only sensible if you have the capacity for increased crowds and nobody wants too much cash on the balance sheet.

It may also limit de facto the number of foreign stars coming into the Premiership - good for the game or bad for the game?
 
 
Fist Fun
20:05 / 25.09.05
"Played six, won six, lead by six. Exciting, eh?"

I admire excellence and find it enjoyable to watch.
 
  
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