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What's So Fucking Great About the Fucking Void?

Boy in a Suitcase

03:40 / 21.09.05

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04:35 / 21.09.05

It's niiice and peaceful.

Maybe it's a place that seems empty at first, but is really the starting point of everything else. A place where duality doesn't seem to exist, and possibly doesn't. From what I've gathered when meditation has worked it's best, things seem harmonious there, without the imbalances that exist for most of us in everyday reality.

So AFAIK, 'Awakening' is fusing the gap between here and the other side, where the voids potential flows into this side freely and brings everything back together.

I'm not saying I'm right with this though because I can't. If I knew, I think I'd have to be an Adept.

07:54 / 21.09.05

I think it's an useful word. And that's it maybe. It's a concept that cannot be explained in positive terms, and i think it makes it stand beyond duality, as nothing can be its opposite. Maybe it's the more accurate word for the sensation (or feeling, or perception if you like) of the witness (in ken wilber's sense) found (sometimes, at least by me) in meditation states.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

07:55 / 21.09.05

The storage space?

08:28 / 21.09.05

Depending on who you speak to, everything emanates from it - so that makes it pretty fucking great. But not much goes on there, and there isn't much of anything to do. Hence something comes out of nothing to give nothing a chance to understand itself. In a Naples Arrangement sort of way.*

* I always get the Naples Arrangement confused with the Italian Job, but they are quite separate propositions.

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08:37 / 21.09.05

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11:59 / 21.09.05

What's so great about the void?

Nothing, surely? :]

12:08 / 21.09.05

The very last thing to vanish in the void is a sense of humor. That's enough for me.

12:24 / 21.09.05

it's a good place to hang out when you're tired of everything.

imaginary friend on the phone

17:51 / 21.09.05

Though I've not practiced it regularly in a while (due to my new apartment not having a tub train) I used to reach a wonderful state of consistent no mind through makeshift sensory deprevation. I would turn off the lights in the bathroom, plug the light coming in through the door and lie down in the tub, turning the water on and letting it rise to just above my ears. This effectively nullified my sense of sight and hearing, but slowly enough that the effect was gradual, not sudden and jarring. Having been born with no sense of smell, this allowed me to very easily enter the "void" for however long I chose to remain in the tub.

In this case, the void was helpful in that, in additon to the calm state alleviating my persistent neck pain, it also greatly alleviated any stresses I might have been feeling at the time.

While on the topic, does anyone have any effective means for entering the meditative void state.

22:14 / 21.09.05

Traffic never gets bad. In fact, not much seems to get in your way at all.

22:27 / 21.09.05

There's an old thread I made here, it's not very helpful instruction wise, but it might give you a few ideas.

12:29 / 23.09.05

>> What's so great about the void?

The purging cleansing traumatic experience of going through the utter darkness...

...and discovering what's on the other side.

This would be my guess, at least.

12:45 / 23.09.05

Interesting how many different versions and interpretations of "the void" that this thread has thrown up. I can count at least three very different propositions that are being discussed.

There's the Void as primal nothingness from which everything else emanates, a bit like the negative veils above Kether in the Tree of Life. The Ain. Ain Soph. Ain Soph Aur. 0=2 and all of that malarky.

There's the Void as something equivalent to the concept of the Abyss - a gap in reality that can be traversed in order to be purged and achieve union with something greater.

There's also the Void as a kind of "no mind" state that can be achieved through meditative practice.

Interesting.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

15:53 / 23.09.05

Best thing about the Void? It's between us and the Giants.

Giants I tell you!!

16:19 / 23.09.05

We're in Muspelheim?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

16:46 / 23.09.05

No. We are in Midgard. Midgard is in The Void. So the Giants can't get us.

17:42 / 23.09.05

Oh that's right. We're all just parasites living off the corpse of the OG Ymir.

nyarlathotep's shoe horn

20:42 / 23.09.05

if the void is annihilation,

and you're a nihilist,

it's darned spiffy.

if you're not, it might be less so.

-tenix

Unconditional Love

03:37 / 19.11.05

Been having a few thoughts about this in regard to ramsey dukes little book of demons and buddhist ideas. In some mythologys demons get consigned to the void as punishment. i was thinking of this as metaphor for our own unwanted complexes, habits and obsessions, a simple way to remove them would be to recognise there emptyness as forms, allow the demon to become null and void, place it in the void until it becomes like its environment, empty of content and meaning, it cannot interact it cannot define because it has no opposite in relation to its environment, eventually it will appear as it always was, empty.

00:59 / 22.11.05

Then, of course, there's the Dave Sim characterisation of the devouring female Void, creatively null but hungry to swallow up anything the male Spark can produce...

Unconditional Love

04:32 / 22.11.05

also comparable to the sea or abyssmal waters, tiamat, marduk the son having to vanquish the mother, to make the seperation to find a partner, dividing land from the sea, as the child is seperated from the womb.

trouser the trouserian

04:36 / 22.11.05

What void?

Unconditional Love

07:41 / 22.11.05

Here.

20:15 / 12.12.05

If the void is always there, where is it? It is the waste that must be crossed in order to reach...fuck if I can remember it was a long time ago.